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    Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    Hi everybody...feel FREE to copy this and RE-POST it on every board you find. info I found somewhere else. Hey Steve - we just want our money (jackass)


    Here's some info:

    Steve Girsky
    StormPay, Inc
    1690 Golf Club Lane
    Clarksville, TN 37043
    Telephone: (931) 647-8750
    Fax: (931) 647-8970

    STEVEN C GIRSKY
    4987 Shadowbend Cir
    Clarksville, TN 37043-9007
    (931) 362-9288

    Stormpay Office:
    (931) 647-8750 ext. 105

    Girsky, Steven C (residence)
    4987 Shadowbend Cir
    Clarksville, TN 37043-9007
    (931) 362-9288

    Girsky, Steven C (office)
    121 S Third St
    Clarksville, TN 37040-3403
    (931) 647-1501

    Registered Agent and President:
    Name: JOHN R. MCCONNELL, JR.
    Address Line 1: 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE
    City: CLARKSVILLE
    State: TN
    Zip: 37043
    Telephone: (931) 647-8750
    Fax: (931) 647-8970

    Tymglobal.com is Steve Girsky
    By now most of us know that StormPay and NetIBA were incorporated by the SAME person. Mr. John McConnell Jr is the registered agent, the principal officer, and the customer service contact of NetIBA. This man is also the registered agent of Stormpay. Steven Girsky is the CEO and Customer Service contact for StormPay. You can see my previous post on this at http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/s...s-t425180.html.

    Interestingly, these two men are also neighbors. From The State of Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury, Real Estate Assessment Data website (http://170.142.31.248/ParcelList.asp or go to http://170.142.31.248/SelectCounty.a...lectCounty=063 and type Shadowbend in the Property Address Box):

    MCCONNELL JOHN R
    ETUX DEBORAH K
    4975 SHADOWBEND CR
    CLARKSVILLE , TN 37043
    931-362-4116 (from www.whitepages.com)

    This is where John lives. From the data you can see he lives in a 2 story, 3,012 sq ft home he bought for $266,000. He also owns 4981 and 4990 Shadowbend (both plots of land).

    From the same site:
    GIRSKY STEVEN C
    ETUX CAROL L
    4987 SHADOWBEND CR
    CLARKSVILLE , TN 37043
    931-362-9288 (from www.whitepages.com)

    Steven lives in a 2 story, 3,692 sq ft home he bought for $250,000.

    According to google maps: Map Link, they live 168 ft apart; it takes about 4 seconds to get from one house to the other.

    Before filing a complaint with the BBB about StormPay, one should contact Steven Girsky at:
    1690 GOLF CLUB LANE
    CLARKSVILLE, TN, 37043
    931-647-8750; Fax 931-647-8970

    If you have a complaint about NetIBA, before filing with the BBB, you should contact John Mcconnell at (931) 905-0112. If you reverse search this number at www.whitepages.com, you find it belongs to NetIBA at 1690 Golf Club Lane, Clarksville, TN 37043.

    Who owns 1690 Golf Club Lane you ask? This 2 story, 6,068 sq ft, 30 office building is owned by John R. Mcconnell! Imagine that!

    No, you're not seeing double, NetIBA is at the same address as StormPay, in the building owned by John McConnell. The only difference is the phone number.

    My question: is it legal to call a business owner at home? Of course, you are almost certain to lose your account, rather than get anything resolved so I wouldn't recommend it! Additionally, according to the BBB, Steven Girsky is a lawyer working for Batson, Nolan, Brice, Harvey, & Williamson. However, Steven Girsky is not listed on their web page: www.bnbwg.com. Nor is he listed as a member of the Tennesee Bar Association. I don't dare speculate on this and anyone else inclined to do so should cease and desist!

    Looking back at the Tennesee property records, I looked up S. Third St to see who owns the building where Steven is/was a lawyer. It's owned by BNBWG Realty. Hmm, Could those letters stand for Batson, Nolan, Brice, Williamson, & Girsky? Doing a search on google tells me I am correct. However, the BBB doesn't have a record of this company and the address is the same address as the attorney's office address. I guess BNBWG Realty doesn't do much business?

    Want to see a picture of Steven Girsky? http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2558419_1?noconfirm=0

    Finally, according to the BBB, Stormpay has "an unsatisfactory record due to a pattern of complaints received. In the past 36 months, the company has received complaints specifically concerning the company's failure to inform and follow up with its customers when it suspends accounts, failure to release funds in a timely manner and failure to resolve complaints directly with company management. The company has responded to each complaint presented by BBB. However, the company has not eliminated the pattern of complaint. The BBB Definition of pattern: - More than 2 complaints involving the same allegations usually within 12 months that are significant in relation to the company's size and volume of business. YTD 2006, the company has received 8 complaints; in 2005, the company received 49 complaints; in 2004, the company received 6 complaints.

    In comparison, PayPal has a satisfactory record. To see the definition of satisfactory: http://www.bbbsilicon.org/commonreport.html?bid=210387

    The proof is in the pudding folks. For all practical purposes, StormPay and NetIBA are the same company. Don't be ripped off by them!

    Additionally, If you are desperate to contact StormPay or it's owner, I believe you can find enough information here to do so. You might have to think outside the box a bit though.

    All the information provided here is a matter of public record. I have provided the links where you can find the same information for yourself. Being a web researcher, I know where to look for these kinds of things.


    Contact his local Newspaper:
    http://theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

    I wrote to the newspaper this morning, using the link that was available in a Sports Story. Here is the email back I just received:

    Thank you for your e-mails. I’ve received several e-mails and phone calls over the past three days regarding StormPay.Com. Because this is no longer a sports story, I’ve forwarded all e-mails and links to our business editor/writer. Our news department will take this story from here. Thank you for your e-mails.
    Jimmy Trodglen
    Sports editor
    The Leaf-Chronicle



    Contact Steve Girsky's Racing affiliates: Warn them!
    Clarksville Speedway
    [email protected]
    Office: 931-645-2523
    Fax # 931-645-5171

    Golden Isle Speedway
    [email protected]

    Columbus MS. Speedway
    [email protected]

    Cleveland Speedway
    | (423) 479-8574 |
    Cleveland, Tennessee

    Pike County Speedway
    J.F. Gasquet
    504.394.5530 or 504.442.8847
    [email protected]

    Talladega Short Track
    http://www.talladegashorttrack.com/index.html
    (256) 831-1413

    East Bay Raceway Park
    6311 Burts Road,
    Tampa Florida 33619
    1.813.677.7223


    Where is OUR Money? Might be here?

    From The Leaf-Chronicle, Clarksville TN. 01-20-2006

    Clarksville Speedway gains new name, new sponsorship
    Deal with StormPay.com will allow track to expand,
    raise cash prizes

    continued below...
    Last edited by ThatOneGuy; 02-07-2006 at 09:55 AM.

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    Sponsor helps track owners continue renovation By
    JIMMY TRODGLEN The Leaf-Chronicle

    A natural association of two enterprises involved in
    dirt track racing turned into a business alliance
    Friday when StormPay.com became the primary sponsor of
    Clarksville Speedway.

    StormPay.com — a payment processing company for online
    auctions — and the speedway agreed to a two-year deal,
    with an option for an additional two-year sponsorship.
    Financial terms were not disclosed, but Steve Girsky,
    CEO of StormPay.com, said sponsorship dollars will
    allow the renamed Clarksville StormPay.com Speedway to
    continue its expansion and renovation, while
    increasing the cash awarded to race winners.

    Girsky and speedway owners William and Tammy Scogins
    began discussions about the business venture two weeks
    ago. StormPay.com is the primary sponsor of the Crate
    Racin’ USA Series, which has grown from a regional
    dirt racing event into a national racing series in
    only one year.

    StormPay.com’s involvement in the speedway, a
    clay-oval dirt track on Needmore Road, is a separate
    business deal from its sponsorship of the racing
    series.

    “Anything and everything we do out here will be
    focused around StormPay.com,” William Scogins said.
    “It’s a great handshake that we’ve been able to find
    somebody in our own town, in our community that’s
    going to take interest in racing the way they’ve had.”

    StormPay.com’s involvement with the speedway also
    includes the Friday night drag racing series and the
    go-cart track.

    The speedway is undergoing its most extensive
    renovation since the Scoginses bought the facility
    five years ago. Corporate suites and a new media tower
    are under construction.

    Jimmy Trodglen is sports editor and can be reached at
    [email protected] or at 245-0261.

    Sponsorship adds fuel to speedway’s dreams

    With fast rise of Crate series, round of upgrades that
    includes suites, owners envision track becoming
    entertainment hub By JIMMY TRODGLEN The Leaf-Chronicle

    Before StormPay.com became the primary sponsor of the
    Crate Racin’ USA Series, CEO Steve Girsky admits he
    wasn’t much of a racing fan.

    Now, he can’t watch enough racing, and the company he
    helped launch four years ago has increased its impact
    on the local racing scene.

    StormPay.com — a payment processing company for online
    auctions — became the primary sponsor of Clarksville
    Speedway, the 40-year-old dirt track that launched the
    career of Clarksville’s Jeff Purvis, and is the
    central track for the launch of the Crate Racin’
    Series, which has grown from a regional racing event
    into a national series.

    The two-year deal, with an option for an additional
    two years, became official when Girsky and speedway
    owners William and Tammy Scogin made the venture
    officially known Friday.

    With StormPay.com having its headquarters in
    Clarksville, becoming the primary sponsor of the
    clay-oval dirt track was an ideal fit.

    “Truthfully, the sponsorship of our local track in the
    hometown of our corporate headquarters was a natural
    extension of our racing endeavors of what we’ve
    undertaken in the past year,” Girsky said.

    StormPay.com, which was launched in 2002, does
    business in 200 countries and is expanding its
    services to include e-mail accounts, Web pages, domain
    registry and Web-based tools.

    With this major sponsorship endeavor, the Clarksville
    StormPay.com Speedway is positioned to speed up its
    current expansion and renovation, while providing
    bigger purses for the Crate Racin’ USA Series.

    “We haven’t ear-marked money for any particular
    purpose, other than set aside monies from the
    sponsorship to these purses to make them bigger,”
    Girsky said.

    Most dirt tracks pay $400 to their winner, but the
    speedway will pay its winner $800.

    The new Clarksville StormPay.com Speedway is currently
    building corporate suites — a first for a dirt track —
    in addition to a new media and scoring tower.

    “We’re trying to give the community a place to have
    people come in, businesses come in, and have a place
    to entertain their clients,” Tammy said. “We’re hoping
    that these suites go well this year, and that maybe if
    word gets out, that we can add another roll of them
    next year.”

    Added Girsky: “We’ve been to several (dirt tracks)
    here recently and we haven’t come across one yet that
    has suites.”

    Last season, the speedway was the host site for 200
    events — including some that weren’t race related —
    and averaged 1,200 in attendance with its stock car
    series.

    “All these corporate businesses, from mom and pa, to
    2,000 people, we can entertain out here,” Tammy said.
    “We can give them a little place they can do something
    at.”

    Other renovations to the track facility include
    replacing the fence alongside the road in front of the
    track, in addition to building a new entrance and new
    signs.

    “It is a good venture for both companies. It’s an
    asset for us we know, and we hope it’s an asset for
    them,” William said. “Tammy and I have tried to
    improve the place the longer we go.”

    The speedway has invested $30,000 in transponders to
    assist in scoring the cars and the laps they’ve run.

    StormPay.com will also help drivers find corporate and
    business sponsors to cover the costs of their
    operation.

    “For these guys, it costs a lot of money to race and
    expand the base of the sport,” Girsky said. “If we can
    get sponsorship for the drivers, we’ve helped another
    set of fans.”

    StormPay.com’s interest in auto racing was initiated
    after it was approached by a Nextel Cup team looking
    for sponsorship. Girsky met with Purvis, who spent
    nearly 20 years racing on the ARCA, NASCAR Busch and
    then-Winston Cup series, to learn what would be
    involved in sponsorship.

    It was Purvis who tipped StormPay.com, which is the
    primary sponsor of Purvis’ Crate Series car, about the
    Crate engine, and its future in dirt track racing.

    Motors for late model cars can cost $40,000, but the
    Crate engines cost between $3,000 and $5,000, and
    their speeds and horsepower are similar to those of
    the more costly motors.

    “This whole series is the wave of the future,” Girsky
    said. “You can race a car and buy an engine from
    $3,000 to $5,000 dollars, and race against
    NASCAR-level competition.”

    Jimmy Trodglen is sports editor and can be reached by
    e-mail at [email protected] or by
    phone at 245-0261.


    Government Actions Against Steve Girsky:

    Government Actions

    On August 7, 2003, the Tennessee Securities Division of the Department of Commerce & Insurance issued an "Order to Cease and Desist" (file number 03-020) with TymGlobal, Inc., StormPay, Inc. and John R. McConnell, Jr.

    The order states that TymGlobal and StormPay are under common ownership and/or control. TymGlobal operates an internet website which is registered to StormPay. On the internet website, respondents are operating a pyramid and/or Ponzi scheme promising large returns on investments for participating in the scheme. The order further states that TymGlobal has not registered any securities offerings with the Division pursuant to Tennessee Securities Act of 1980. Nor has the company registered with the Division as a broker-dealer, agent of a broker-dealer or investment adviser. Also, the respondent StormPay has not registered any securities offerings with the Division nor has the company registered with the Division as a broker-dealer, agent of a broker-dealer, or investment adviser. John R. McConnell, Jr. has not registered with the Division as a broker-dealer, an agent of a broker-dealer or as an investment adviser.

    Potential investors were given the opportunity to invest in both partnership shares as TymGlobal as well as to participate in various Ponzi schemes. Respondents promised a high return. The offering of participation in the schemes sold by the respondents is an investment contract and thus, a security under the act.

    The Division ordered the respondents TymGlobal, StormPay and John R. McConnell, Jr to cease and desist the conduct of a broker-dealer in the state of Tennessee until such time as it effectively registers with the Division. The order did not intend to prohibit lawful conduct of the respondents.

    For additional information concerning this order, please contact Daphne Smith, Assistant Commissioner for Securities, State of Tennessee, Department of Commerce and Insurance, Suite 680, 500 James Robertson Pky, Nashville, TN 37243.

    Report as of February 2, 2006
    Copyright© 2006 Better Business Bureau®, Inc.


    Since talking to the governor’s office in Tennessee Stormpay has many complaints in the past about issues frozen accounts. i spoke with Becky Bradley and she has asked that you email any and all information to her about Stormpay wrong doing her email address is [email protected] apparently she wants to help get this resolve in a timely manner.

    Edited to add: Stormpay is now verified/certified by completely different company that 2 days ago: Geotrust.com.

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    Hi...

    I wanted to let you know that there will be a statement released in the member news area within an hour with an update on communications between StormPay and 12daily Pro attornies.

    It will also be posted here on scam.com.

    This statement will address the resolution of the freeze on 12dp's StormPay account by attornies for both parties. It will also address the StormPay account issues many of you have experienced today.

    I hope knowing a statement is coming can help relieve some of your confusion and concern.
    www.12dailypro.com - a revolting Ponzi scam! Don't believe the hype; contact your credit card issuer and charge back today!

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    cito you just reduced the value of the internet. computers hate you and everybody else that uses logic.

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    This whole deal poses an interesting question. What about those who joined this ponzi, like the original poster and most if not all defenders on this board, full well knowing what it was? Do they even DESERVE money back? Also, in history, ponzi participants have been prosecuted and had to pay back all the money they earned. That would be unfortunate if that happened.

    I also must wonder why no one complained about being paid through Stormpay before and now, that theyre helping bring autosurfs down, they suddenly care. Coincidence?

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Dad
    This whole deal poses an interesting question. What about those who joined this ponzi, like the original poster and most if not all defenders on this board, full well knowing what it was? Do they even DESERVE money back? Also, in history, ponzi participants have been prosecuted and had to pay back all the money they earned. That would be unfortunate if that happened.

    I also must wonder why no one complained about being paid through Stormpay before and now, that theyre helping bring autosurfs down, they suddenly care. Coincidence?

    What would be unfortunate is for you to continue to go through life spreading misinformation.

    Ponzis are investment schemes which provide neither a service nor a product for the money one spends.

    From the 12DP TOS:

    C. Upgrade payments made to 12daily Pro are considered membership fees, not investments or deposits of any kind. The money we pay members is a payment for the service provided by them, viewing other member websites.

    I paid 12Daily for ad space in their rotation, and for the opportunity to have other members look at my ads. My purchase was not an investment, it was a business expense.

    They supplied me with that ad space and that opportunity beginning in July, and are continuing to do so.

    moshok

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Dad
    This whole deal poses an interesting question. What about those who joined this ponzi, like the original poster and most if not all defenders on this board, full well knowing what it was? Do they even DESERVE money back? Also, in history, ponzi participants have been prosecuted and had to pay back all the money they earned. That would be unfortunate if that happened.

    I also must wonder why no one complained about being paid through Stormpay before and now, that theyre helping bring autosurfs down, they suddenly care. Coincidence?
    If you really are a "Dad", I very sincerely feel sorry for your wife and children, if you have either. I, too, am a "Dad," possibly even old enough to be your "Dad," but I would never make unjustified and irresponsible comments like yours to them or on a public forum for them to possibly see.

    What you fail to realize is that many of the autosurf programs to which you refer in general were and are legitimate programs, not ponzi's as you have assumed without basis for making such assumption. Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide were being paid by these legitimate programs until Stormpay illegally, without notice or legal justification, arbitrarily closed (froze) access to the Stormpay accounts and funds belonging to these programs (not to Stormpay).

    Stormpay have also since followed this illegal and unwarranted action by stealing and misappropriating funds from the Stormpay accounts of their users, as well as from their bank accounts, solely because these users received payments from one or more of these programs. Stormpay have done this without the authorizations of these users, and regardless of whether or not these users had received payments from these programs that were in excess of the monies they had paid into them.

    Do your homework before you comment about matters of which you obviously know nothing!
    Last edited by tominasia; 02-11-2006 at 12:13 AM.

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    Quote Originally Posted by tominasia
    If you really are a "Dad", I very sincerely feel sorry for your wife and children, if you have either. I, too, am a "Dad," possibly even old enough to be your "Dad," but I would never make unjustified and irresponsible comments like yours to them or on a public forum for them to possibly see.

    What you fail to realize is that many of the autosurf programs to which you refer in general were and are legitimate programs, not ponzi's as you have assumed without basis for making such assumption. Hundreds of thousands of people worldwide were being paid by these legitimate programs until Stormpay illegally, without notice or legal justification, arbitrarily closed (froze) access to the Stormpay accounts and funds belonging to these programs (not to Stormpay).

    Stormpay have also since followed this illegal and unwarranted action by stealing and misappropriating funds from the Stormpay accounts of their users, as well as from their bank accounts, solely because these users received payments from one or more of these programs. Stormpay have done this without the authorizations of these users, and regardless of whether or not these users had received payments from these programs that were in excess of the monies they had paid into them.

    Do your homework before you comment about matters of which you obviously know nothing!
    So how about your homework. How are they NOT a ponzi? (autosurfs) And if you look through Dad's posts youll see he actually explains why they are ponzis. Unlike you who just says something as if it were fact.

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Collegestudent
    So how about your homework. How are they NOT a ponzi? (autosurfs) And if you look through Dad's posts youll see he actually explains why they are ponzis. Unlike you who just says something as if it were fact.
    I will wait for a court of law to render a judgment that the programs "Dad" has generalized and lumped together as a whole are ponzi's are such! After more than a decade online, I have been victim to ponzi's, so I am acutely aware of what they are. To generalize or categorize all programs from an industry as being ponzi's is irresponsible and not fair to the programs that are legitimate or to the people who support and prosper from them.

    Regardless of the outcome of this matter, the very best of luck with your pursuit for education and may your future be bright. Your lessons in life have just begun.
    Last edited by tominasia; 02-11-2006 at 09:03 AM.

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    Further to my above post, I must apologize as I seem to have gotten off the discussion of this thread, which I think was intended to direct attention to Stormpay's credibility and qualifications, and legal authority, or lack thereof, to unilaterally pass judgment and pursue actions in the manner it has against the get-paid-to-autosurf industry, and the personal accounts and funds of thousands of its fee paying user customers. Were any of the programs and users affected by these unilateral actions on the part of Stormpay served or presented beforehand with a court order or other legal instrument authorizing Stormpay to proceed as it did? As one of these affected users, and pertaining to my case only, I can answer this with an unequivocal no!
    Last edited by tominasia; 02-11-2006 at 12:19 PM.

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    My understanding is, that when Ms. Charis Johnson decided to use EMO as an additional payment processor, StormPay became a little greedy and wanted all of 12 Daily Pro's business or else. (I'm not sure if it was due to the huge racetrack's renovation they're having to pay for in Clarksville or not).

    StormPay got their self in a little hot water and realized they couldn't just freeze 12 Daily Pro's accounts without freezing all of the other autosurf programs they were hosting or they knew they could be liable for malicious intent. It is my belief that if StormPay could've froze 12 Daily Pro's accounts only, they would've done that, but StormPay had to cover up for their misconduct by freezing all of the autosurf programs which was to their own hurt.

    I don't believe StormPay is responsible enough to own a payment processing business. When you can freeze 1000,s of people's accounts, then run down to the racetrack (and that seemingly is their main concern right now), they need to be stripped of everything they have.

    I'm certain that all of these 1000's of people are not going to let StormPay rest until they come clean and return everyone's money. I believe that StormPay is involved in criminal activity and I don't want my funds held by these characters another day.
    Last edited by Timeon; 02-24-2006 at 02:38 PM.

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    Quote Originally Posted by tominasia
    I will wait for a court of law to render a judgment that the programs "Dad" has generalized and lumped together as a whole are ponzi's are such! After more than a decade online, I have been victim to ponzi's, so I am acutely aware of what they are. To generalize or categorize all programs from an industry as being ponzi's is irresponsible and not fair to the programs that are legitimate or to the people who support and prosper from them.
    If you have spent a decade dealing with ponzis as you say, you should have known better than to join another one (12DP). If it isn't a ponzi, please explain to us exactly what makes it legal or your words mean nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by tominasia
    Regardless of the outcome of this matter, the very best of luck with your pursuit for education and may your future be bright. Your lessons in life have just begun.
    Nice attempt at being condescending, but its funny how I'm still in college and even I know how to stay away from a ponzi scam, while some of us haven't learned how to in ten years.

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    If you paid by credit card or checking account, you can get your money back in about 5 minutes and get on with your life. Just contact your bank, most banks already know the whole story and will gladly reverse the transactions.

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    It's sad that Carl is the only one it seems to be standing up for the truth here. The so called Ponsi definition refers to something that happened back in the 1930's before people even had televisions and most people didn't even have telephones. It should not and does not have any relationship to today's electronic communications. But it is a great excuse and underhanded legal way for dishonest, crooked lawyers, and businessmen to legally steal people's money. Just call it or make it "fit" the definition of a Ponsi scheme, and we can legally steal millions of dollars from anyone we want. Just like Stormpay stole 50 million from all of us in the 12dailypro scandal. Stormpay is owned and operated by a group of lawyers. (Check it out for yourselves). Hardly anyone among the 300,000 people who invested in 12dailypro ever complained. It was Stormpay who just decided to freeze everyones funds ("steal" would be a better word for it) Stormpay were the ones who went to the SEC. Of course once the government receives a complaint from a so called "legitimate" financial institution then Stormpay can legally steal everyones money. Stormpay knew what they were doing from the beginning. What would you expect from a bunch of lawyers? Just watch.....nothing will happen to Stormpay........as they legally get away with millions of dollars and theres nothing any of us can do about it. The only thing 12dailypro did was be very successful, and the only thing Stormpay did was successfully steal everyone's money under the guise of some old outdated law that should be ripped up and flushed.
    If 12dailypro is a Ponsi scheme then let's ask the SEC what Social Security is???? The government Social Security Ponsi scheme has been around years before the Ponsi scheme definition ever came into being. Thousands of dollars is taken out of my paycheck every year for Social Security, and I know I will never see a dime of it when I retire!!?? So there's a preceding legal precedant right there to this so called Ponsi scheme law for all you. Why doesn't someone have the guts to throw out this worthless Ponsi scheme law?? Because then the crooked lawyers wouldn't have a legal way to steal your money! Wake up people!!

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    Re: Finally ALLL the DIRT on STORMPAY...just give us our money back.

    You undermine your diatribe by not spelling "Ponzi" correctly.

    If it wasn't for the fact that Ponzi schemes were illegal, then even more people would get ripped off.

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