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    CANADA FAR MORE VIOLENT THAN The U.S.

    This is one reason the liberals are being run out of office, this and widespread corruption...being 'criminal-friendly' leads to--guess what? MORE criminals!! Who would have guessed? Oh, that's right...WE did.

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    Canada's Crime Rate 50 % Higher than U.S.


    Press reports that Canada is a Shangri-la – an America with free health care and less crime – may be short sighted.

    In fact, statistics show that the violent crime rate there is double that of the United States.

    It seems Canada is looking for a scapegoat, too: Outgoing Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin is blaming the United States for his country’s violent crime wave. He says his southern neighbor is eagerly bringing guns over the border.

    According to the Second Amendment Foundation’s Alan Gottlieb, writing in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Martin is wrong for blaming Canada’s rise in violent crime on criminals smuggling guns from the United States.

    Gottlieb says the blame instead belongs on Canadian crooks getting guns from wherever they can.

    "Blaming the United States for Canadian crime is an argument that does not pass the smell test,” Gottlieb wrote. "Canada's experience has simply demonstrated that no matter what kind of gun control law a government passes, that law is doomed to failure because instead of keeping guns out of the wrong hands, the law disarms the wrong people. Canada's gun control scheme has not just failed - it has failed disastrously. Clear evidence of that can be found in a comparison of the crime rates for Canada and America.”

    Gottlieb cites an article by Canada's National Post columnist David Frum where he revealed that "Canada's overall crime rate is now 50 percent higher than the crime rate in the United States.” Moreover, "Since the early 1990s, crime rates have dropped in 48 of the 50 states and 80 percent of American cities. Over that same period, crime rates have risen in six of the 10 Canadian provinces and in seven of Canada’s 10 biggest cities.”

    He also cites the most recent complete data available from both countries that shows that in 2003, the violent crime rate in the United States was 475 per 100,000 people; while up north, there were 963 violent crimes per 100,000 people. The figure for sexual assault in Canada per 100,000 people was more than double that of the United States: 74 as opposed to 32.1; and the assault rate in Canada was also more than twice that of the states: 746 to America's 295 for the people.

    Moreover, he cites research that showed the figure for sexual assault in Canada per 100,000 people was more than double that of the United States: 74 as opposed to 32.1; and the assault rate in Canada was more than twice that of the United States: 746 to America’s 295. Also, in 2005, Toronto had 78 murders; that’s a 28 percent increase in homicides since 1995.


    "The situation hasn't improved for Canada; it has here,” he wrote.

    "Moreover, this shift in crime rates between the two countries has occurred while dozens of U.S. states have adopted ‘right-to-carry’ and ‘shall-issue’ handgun laws. During the same period, Canada’s gun laws have gotten more restrictive, with the national gun registry being implemented,” he added.

    "Since declaring war on guns under former Prime Minister Jean Chretien, Canada's Liberals have presided over the sharpest rise in violent crime in the nation’s history.”

    Gottlieb wrote that "Frum put it best when he claimed, ‘Gun registration and gun bans ... do not work,’ adding later: ‘It is not guns from across the border that threaten Canadians. It is the weak and cynical policies of home-grown politicians, and especially the Chretien/Martin Liberals.’”

    Martin and the Liberals are not the solution to violent crime in Canada, Gottlieb wrote. "They're the problem.”

    Gottlieb concluded that "the disparity in crime rates says it all about how well gun registration works to stop crime, as opposed to actually carrying guns to deter criminals, and fighting back if necessary.”


    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...547.shtml?s=tn
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    For those who will whine about 'newsmax'--and you WILL whine-- please note that this article is simply a story about an article from a Fort Worth paper. This is all about math...math is your friend(criminal profiling)...please don't get mad at math!

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    Re: CANADA FAR MORE VIOLENT THAN The U.S.

    This is one reason the liberals are being run out of office, this and widespread corruption...being 'criminal-friendly' leads to--guess what? MORE criminals!! Who would have guessed?
    Between being "criminal-friendly" (i.e. "liberal", as defined by prwone) and being a criminal (i.e. the so-called (neo)conservatives in power today), I'll take the former.

    Fortunately, those aren't our only options.

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    Why would he bother to compare? He only comes up with these Canada attacks any time Ronald posts a thread. Lady Mod
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    Oh, interesting article about the author, Alan Gottlieb.: Did you know he's an ex-felon? And I'll bet he got his voting rights back too. LOL. Those damned Republicans... always having felons vote them back in office. :rolleyes:

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    Alan Gottlieb:
    The Merchant of Fear

    by Jim Halpin and Paul de Armond
    ©1994, 1995 Jim Halpin, Paul de Armond


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    He seems a careful man. There's not a displaced hair on his head or his Groucho Marx moustache. His clothes are also impeccable -- brown loafers, an unobtrusive bow tie and a perfectly ironed shirt with the initials AMG embroidered on the pocket. The same initials are stamped on the vanity plates of the black corvette parked below the window of his Bellevue office complex. AMG stands for Alan Merril Gottlieb, a name a lot of environmentalists, gun control advocates and members of congress wish they had never heard of.

    Despite appearances, Gottlieb is a buccaneering entrepreneur with a remarkable knack for cashing in big on right-wing causes. "I am," he says, "the premiere anti-communist, free-enterprise, laissez-faire capitalist," He is also:


    President and founder of the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise, which in 1988 launched the Wise Use Movement, today the most powerful anti-environmental force in the country. Wise Use Movement groups are now active in every state, indeed, in nearly every county, in America. Wise Use's clout in Congress has grown so much in the past year that it has been able to halt all pending environmental legislation in this session.


    President of two non-profit corporations which form the most potent pro-gun force in the country, outside of the National Rifle Association. The two non profits are the Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizens's Committee For the Right to Keep and Bear arms.


    A master fund raiser for conservative causes and candidates -- the most successful one outside Washington, D.C.


    A member of the board of governors on the powerful and ultra-secretive Council for National Policy. Front Lines Research, a Planned Parenthood magazine called the CNP, "the central leadership network of the far right in the United States." Membership is secret but is known to include such familiar right wing stalwarts as CNP president, Former Attorney General Edwin Meese, Paul Weyrich, founding president of the Heritage Foundation, Jerry Falwell and Oliver North.


    Sole proprietor of a profitable right wing publishing complex which writes, edits and distributes conservative books and magazines.


    Owner of KBNP, a business radio station in Portland, and Chairman of the Board of the Talk America Radio Network which has 196 affiliated radio stations across the nation. In Seattle, the Talk America affiliate is King-AM.


    A convicted felon. In 1984, Gottlieb pleaded guilty to underpaying income tax returns by $17,000 and served ten months in Federal prison...

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    David Williamson, who as a national spokesman for the Nature Conservancy is no friend of Gottlieb's, calls him "a direct-mail genius." "I know political skill when I see it and I respect it," Williamson said in a telephone interview.

    Nearly everybody gets direct-response mail, letters from charities, political campaigns and all sorts of other causes asking the recipient to mail back a donation. Often they appeal to one's charitable instincts or sense of civic responsibility. This is not the tack that Gottlieb takes. "The letters he composes," says Outside magazine, "are not long on subtlety or literary polish, but they are extremely adept at pinpointing the recipients' deepest anxieties and eliciting floods of righteous indignation."

    Gottlieb does not disagree. In Trashing the Economy, the 1993 book he and his co-author, CDFE Vice President Ron Arnold write with startling frankness that:

    "The message of the direct mail letter must appeal to three base emotions; Fear, Hate and Revenge...

    "[The] fund raising mailer must present you with a crisis -- a problem won't do...That crisis must frighten you...If you are not frightened, you won't send money...

    "Then the direct mail letter must present you with a bogeyman against whom to focus your anger...

    "Once you've been frightened and made to hate the bogeyman, the successful direct mail appeal must offer you a way to get revenge against the bogeyman -- the payoff for your contribution. The more soul-satisfying the revenge, the better the letter pulls.

    "All this must be dressed up in an appeal that appears to have a high moral tone, but which -- without you realizing it -- works on your lower emotions."

    Gottlieb and Arnold are describing environmental direct-mail pitches but Arnold in an interview on Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise, also told us that "in direct mail, fear, hate and revenge go a long way."

    Apparently deception also goes a long way. In June 1994, Gottlieb sent a mass mailing that appeared to come directly from Rep. Philip M. Crane (R) of Illinois, though the postmark was Bellevue. The envelope bore a replica of the Congressional seal and in large, bold letters identified the sender as: The Honorable Philip M. Crane Rep. Crane, Member of Congress. The return address, however was Bellevue.

    The letter inside bore Congressman Crane's signature.

    "Dear Friends," the letter started off, "I recently asked Alan Gottlieb, Chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, for the names of a few selected Americans with whom I could communicate directly on a matter of great importance to our gun rights.

    Yours was one of the names Alan gave me.

    Will you join with me and U. S. Senators Bob Dole, Orrin Hatch, Trent Lott, Don Nickles and other distinguished Americans as a member of the National Advisory Council of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms?

    After telling the reader that "over a 100 members of the United States Congress serve" on the advisory council, the letter warns in upper case that "ANTI-GUN FORCES NOW CONTROL THE WHITE HOUSE AND BOTH THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE UNITED STATES SENATE."

    "I'm amazed," reads another paragraph, "that many gun owners I talk to don't seem to understand that handgun ban laws are the first steps toward stripping Americans of their right to own and use all firearms."

    The Crane letter contains an intimidating questionnaire which, among other things, demands an "X" before one of two questions:

    [] YES, I'll help you in this urgent battle by rushing you my most generous contribution today: [$20 to $500].

    [] NO, even though the powerful "ban the gun" crowd is at this very moment mounting an attack on my gun rights, I can't join your National Advisory Council

    Gottlieb's direct response letters often contain surveys with loaded questions like:

    Would you use a gun to protect yourself, your family or your home from armed attack?

    "Most anti-gun advocates claim that gun owners are primarily responsible for violent crime, do you agree?"

    Gottlieb's letters may be blunt, but they work. He says he mails out 25 million direct-response letters every year and that recipients mail back $24 million. His costs, at 27 cents per letter, are $6.75 million, which means his mailers net $17.25 million. Put another way, $2.25 comes back for dollar invested in direct response letters. Gottlieb may have had these figures in mind the time he told a reporter that "All I have to do is turn the spigot on and the money just flows."

    Of the $24 million that his direct mail marketing nets, $5.5 million goes into to Gottlieb's three foundations. Another $6.6 million goes to associations (outside of Liberty Park) for which Gottlieb is either a director or a board member. These include ultra-conservative groups such as the American Conservative Union, Young Americans for Freedom, American Political Action Committee and the Council for National Policy. The remaining $12 million in direct response revenue is raised for clients who contract for his services. Gottlieb prefers not to name them though they most probably consist of conservative organizations and candidates. Gottlieb also generates income from publishing Wise Use and anti-gun control books. The Free Enterprise Press (CDFE), and Merril Press (a for- profit operation) together carry 16 titles. Gottlieb told Eastsideweek that he sells a total of 200,000 copies annually. The retail cost of the books, which are distributed by Merril Press, ranges from $9.95 to $19.95 a copy. Gottlieb did not reveal his total book revenue but did mention the profit margin on one of his titles was 50 per cent. If this holds true for all his titles then his book profits would be well over a million dollars a year. However the CDFE 990 (Exempt from Income Tax) form for 1993 shows that revenue for Free Enterprise Press, which publishes three quarters of the titles, was only $30,615.

    Gottlieb raises only a pittance -- $339,289 in 1992 -- for CDFE, the mother organization of Wise Use. That same year, The Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, garnered $2,318,804, and the Second Amendment Foundation $2,533,427. Gottlieb also profits by traveling the country and giving political-action and fund-raising seminars to Wise-Use groups at fees of up to $3,000 a day. He instructs the groups on how to conduct direct-response cash drives of their own, as well as how to recruit new members and use the media.
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    Although Alan disapproved of students protesting the Vietnam War, he was no more anxious than they were to get into it.Alan joined the U. S. Army National Guard in 1968 and was assigned to a Nike-Hercules missile site on Long Island near Farmington. He served only one weekend a month and an annual two-week training period, so his tour impeded little on his other activities . These included joining William F. Buckley's Young Americans for Freedom, a conservative political organization that supported the Vietnam War.

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    Gottlieb, as the sole incorporator, created the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, the first of his three non-profit organizations, on January 30, 1974. The articles of incorporation show the purpose of the CCRKBA (possibly the most awkward acronym in America) is:

    To operate exclusively for the purpose of defending the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, to provide aid and information to people throughout the United States who may desire it to assist them in achieving and maintaining the realization of the goals of the organization.

    In 1986, after a bitter lawsuit over Gottlieb's management of the organization, this purpose was amended to read:

    The corporation is to operate exclusively to defend human and civil rights secured by law, specifically the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution."

    With the 1986 amendment of the articles of incorporation, the word "membership" was removed from the incorporation papers by Gottlieb's board of directors. Other changes turned the CCRKBA into a corporation. What this means is that there are no members of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. It is simply a corporation that receives donations without extending any rights to participate in the operation of the corporation: a committee without members that asks for money.

    So what is the purpose of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms? In a June 15 article this year, Seattle Times writer David G. Savage wrote that gun ownership is not a Second Amendment right. He went further and quoted former Chief Justice Warren E. Burger as accusing the National Rifle Association of perpetuating a "fraud on the American people" by asserting an individual Second Amendment right to gun ownership.

    In the entire history of the United States, a Second Amendment issue has gone before the Supreme Court only once. That was in 1937 when two bootleggers were caught crossing a state line with a sawed-off shotgun. The Supreme Court rejected the argument that the law which they had broken violated the Second Amendment. The court found that the Second Amendment pertained to the states' right to raise and maintain armed forces, not a personal right to possess a sawed-off shotgun: "...we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument." Since that case, all claims of an individual Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms have been rejected by the courts.

    The lack of an individual right to possess arms is a great source of fear among gun owners. If the individual right does not exist, it is technically possible that slowly increasing the stringency of gun regulations could ultimately ban all private gun ownership. The result has been that some politically active gun owners have fought tooth and nail to prevent any and all new gun laws, in the fear that some day in the future, all guns will be outlawed or taxed so heavily that most people will not be able to own one.

    From this position, sometimes called the "slippery slope argument", it is not a very large step to another interpretation: the real intent of the Second Amendment was to authorize revolution and rebellion. In The Rights of Gun Owners, Gottlieb wrote, "The Founding Fathers had an abiding fear of government. At the time the Constitution was drafted they had just concluded a long and bloody war against one form of tyranny. However, they were equally concerned about the kind of government they had just established. Their concern was that a centralized federal government could evolve into a dictatorship."

    At the same time he became a member of the YAF's national advisory board and the national treasurer of the American Conservative Union, positions he still holds. The American Conservative Union is one of the New Right groups, like the YAF, that sprang into being out the Goldwater presidential campaign. Founded by 100 right-wing, anti-communist conservatives, an ACU statement of principles supports "capitalism... [as] the only economic system of our time that is compatible with political liberty." Closely allied with the YAF through the Conservative Political Action Conference, the ACU lobbies Congress on conservative issues and publishes "scorecards" so the rest of the country will know how well congressional members have responded to conservative pressures.

    At the same time as he was making the Citizen's Committee a thing of his own, Gottlieb formed two other companies in his fledgling empire. The Citizen's Committee was a 501(c)(4) non-profit, a tax-exempt classification that allows lobbying, but donors can't take a tax deduction for a contribution. When individual contributions are deductible, they are usually a little larger. Gottlieb's Second Amendment Foundation solved this problem with its 501(c)(3) status, which allowed contributors a tax deduction. Like the Citizens Committee, the SAF has Alan Gottlieb as its sole incorporator. Forming a second organization gave Gottlieb a way to solicit donors twice. He estimates that this overlap in the two organizations is about 40%. Like the Citizens Committee, the Second Amendment Foundation has no members, only a board of trustees.

    For the business of actually handling the mail, Gottlieb formed Merril Associates, a private firm comprised solely of himself. Merril Associates is not incorporated, it is just Alan Gottlieb. Merril Associates was briefly registered with the Secretary of State as a commercial fundraiser, but filed only one report in 1985. In 1994 an audit discovered that Merril Associates had not registered for nine years. Gottlieb requested that the registration be canceled, since he was now exempt. Merril Associates, which is to say Gottlieb himself, receives and holds assets, such as mailing lists, at Liberty Park.

    In 1976, Gottlieb established the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise. It was intended to fight the Carter administration's regulatory posture, "protecting free enterprise and private property rights", as Gottlieb put it. Like all of the other non-profits, the sole incorporator was Alan Gottlieb.

    The purpose of the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise is described in Article IV of the incorporation documents: "...to engage in... [the] study of... governmental regulatory bodies and their interaction with business; engaging in... litigation which tests the constitutionality of legislation and administrative rulings affecting the freedom of individuals to operate in the marketplace...." In short, the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise exists to oppose all regulation that might stop anybody from doing whatever they wanted in business. In 1984, eight years after it was incorporated, CDFE would become the spawning ground for the anti-environmental Wise Use Movement.

    With Reagan's election, CDFE went into a decline. Reagan ushered in new policies and personnel that gutted federal regulatory efforts. Arranging the pens on his desk in a saw-tooth pattern, Gottlieb remembered, "Reagan came in and all those policies changed and the need for the Center to be involved in that area was diminished. ...we grew rather fast in [Carter's Administration] and then watched ourselves, both in activities and finance and everything, decreasing."

    For Gottlieb, good times for the Republicans were bad times for at the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise. Gottlieb's "bogeyman" of "alphabet soup" regulatory agencies had been vanquished by Reagan. Success can be a bad thing for fund-raising efforts based on fear, hatred and revenge. With Reagan in the White House, there was little to fear, the federal government was no longer hated (at least not by CDFE members), and the revenge had been achieved with Carter's defeat.

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    When Guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have Guns.

    When I was in Canada I teased them that next they would have to outlaw knives, it was the weapon used in 11 murders in Toronto while I was there for 5 weeks. I told them then they would then have to outlaw rocks because they would start killing people with them next.

    It seems odd to me that every time they enact gun controls, crime rates go up, and when they enact right to carry laws, crime rates go down, yet liberals still demand more gun control.

    Also, why do liberals think it is OK for them to take away my constitutional right to bear arms, but it is wrong for the President to wiretap U.S. citizens? Seems like a double standard to me.

    Yes Michigan is a "Right to Carry" state, and yes I carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worried_in_the_USA
    When Guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have Guns.

    When I was in Canada I teased them that next they would have to outlaw knives, it was the wepon used in 11 murders in Toronto while I was there for 5 weeks. I told them then they would then have to outlaw rocks because they would start killing people with them next.

    It seems odd to me that every time they inact gun controls, crime rates go up, and when they inact right to carry laws, crime rates go down, yet liberals still demand more gun control.

    Yes Michigan is a "Right to Carry" state, and yes I carry.
    This is the article that probably set off the diatribe by Gottlieb.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4636102.stm

    Now, tell me, how would a law allowing citizens to carry guns have prevented the death of this little girl who was out shopping?

    I carry a gun too, and I don't favor gun control. But I also don't see how it would have saved this life either if there weren't any. We can't stop gangs from carrying guns here in the states where we have a right to carry guns, and people still get killed in crossfire here in similar situations. So, unless a law is passed compelling ALL citizens to carry guns and know how to use them and trained to use them instinctively, I don't see where having a right to carry them prevents these kinds of killings. And the truth of the matter is, THE GOVERNMENT is not going to advocate that ALL citizenry must carry guns. They may point the finger at liberals for wanting controls, but it goes deeper than that. If it weren't for hunters, we wouldn't be allowed to carry guns at all. It was the NRA that works to protect our 2nd amendment rights, not Gottlieb. Gottlieb just wants to make a buck off of Canadian liberals opposing gun controls. It's how he works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worried_in_the_USA
    When Guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have Guns.

    When I was in Canada I teased them that next they would have to outlaw knives, it was the weapon used in 11 murders in Toronto while I was there for 5 weeks. I told them then they would then have to outlaw rocks because they would start killing people with them next.

    It seems odd to me that every time they enact gun controls, crime rates go up, and when they enact right to carry laws, crime rates go down, yet liberals still demand more gun control.

    Also, why do liberals think it is OK for them to take away my constitutional right to bear arms, but it is wrong for the President to wiretap U.S. citizens? Seems like a double standard to me.

    Yes Michigan is a "Right to Carry" state, and yes I carry.
    Why, I have a right to bear arms, so naturally, I concur.

    Concerning the question, though, I also have a right to be secure in my privacy, in my personal effects, and in my property, against warrantless searches, seizures, or surveillance.

    Hello, fellow Michigander. Yooper or Troll?

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    I am from the L.P. not that I would call myself a troll though. ;)

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    The libertarian party, though I agree with most of their views, is nothing more than a virus without a host.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Why would he bother to compare? He only comes up with these Canada attacks any time Ronald posts a thread. Lady Mod
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    Um....NO. I only "came up with" this information because I only just read it, as it was only just posted and available. This has nothing to do with Canada and everything to do with a liberal-run society whose citizens are unable to protect themselves from criminals. Why? Because liberals have protected the rights of criminals and sacrificed the rights of law-abiding citizens. This is where we were before we got wise, toughened up, and removed liberals from positions of power...

    As a bonus, Canada might return to being on our side!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    Um....NO. I only "came up with" this information because I only just read it, as it was only just posted and available. This has nothing to do with Canada and everything to do with a liberal-run society whose citizens are unable to protect themselves from criminals. Why? Because liberals have protected the rights of criminals and sacrificed the rights of law-abiding citizens. This is where we were before we got wise, toughened up, and removed liberals from positions of power...

    As a bonus, Canada might return to being on our side!
    And how did this prove that? A citizen must be carrying a gun and willing to use it in order for that scenario to be effective. The bulk of citizenry do not carry guns even in areas where they can.

    And furthermore, is this guys story based on percentages? Is Canada as populated as America? Does any of that get taken into account?

    This guy makes a profit off the fears of others. His corporations benefit from that. I wouldn't take him too seriously, he's a major scam artist. But thanks for exposing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worried_in_the_USA
    I am from the L.P. not that I would call myself a troll though. ;)
    From the tip o' the mitt myself. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    And how did this prove that? A citizen must be carrying a gun and willing to use it in order for that scenario to be effective. The bulk of citizenry do not carry guns even in areas where they can.

    And furthermore, is this guys story based on percentages? Is Canada as populated as America? Does any of that get taken into account?

    This guy makes a profit off the fears of others. His corporations benefit from that. I wouldn't take him too seriously, he's a major scam artist. But thanks for exposing him.

    Namaste'

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    NYC is an excellent example of a teeming cesspool of crime that was cleaned up by force. It now ranks as one of the safest big cities in the hemisphere. Liberals do not have any interest, let alone what it takes, to accomplish
    such a thing. We all know that.

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    Many, if not most, Canadians are greatful that the liberals are not holding the chequebook or the pen now. However, I really wonder what "Canada" Worried was in -that saw 11 knife murders in the just 5 weeks - methinks he has stretched the truth just a tad. Give me a date please? Pwrone - As for Canadians returning to being on your side - where does that come from? American and Canadian people interact, in spite of government, on a daily basis. We are tied together by geography and common interest.

    P.S. It isn't "free" health care - everybody pays into it whether you use it or not- for very basic services. That's why it's going broke all the time - people abuse it. It's also a typical government program - administration heavy - too many chiefs - not enough indians. Much of the money is going to management and not to the actual medical care providers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda49
    We are tied together by geography and common interest.
    And BEER!!! I love beer!!

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    Phinnely - I heard our beer has too high an alcohol content for our neighbors to the south - hahahahah!

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