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    Exposing The Bush Lies And War Crimes Machinery

    Proof Bush Deceived America
    by Ray McGovern

    James Risen's State of War: the Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, may hold bigger secrets than the disclosure that President George W. Bush authorized warrantless eavesdropping on Americans.

    Risen's book also confirms the most damning element of the British Cabinet Office memos popularly called the "Downing Street memos;" namely, that "the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy." The result is that it is no longer credible to maintain that the failures in the Iraqi intelligence were the product of a broken intelligence community. The Bush administration deliberately fabricated the case against Iraq, lying to Congress and the American people along the way.

    Risen, a senior reporter for The New York Times, reports that British Prime Minister Tony Blair had an urgent need in the summer of 2002 to get the equivalent of a "second opinion" regarding Bush's plans for war in Iraq insight independent of his own telephone conversations with the president and independent of what Blair was hearing from his own foreign office.

    During his April 2002 visit to Crawford, Blair had gone out on a limb in pledging to support war on Iraq. The following months saw him getting nervous. So he chose what intelligence parlance calls a "back channel," and sent the chief of British intelligence, Richard Dearlove, to Washington to sound out his counterpart: the garrulous CIA director George Tenet, who he knew to be very close to the president.

    The highly revealing Downing Street memo contained the minutes of Dearlove's briefing of Blair and his top advisers upon his return from Washington on July 23. But what the memo left unanswered was the question of who gave Dearlove the confidence to say this to his prime minister:

    Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy.

    When the Sunday Times published the minutes of that key briefing on May 1, 2005, it seemed a safe bet that Dearlove's source was Tenet, and I said so.

    Now we have the confirmation. Risen writes that George Tenet was reluctant to receive Dearlove, but acquiesced when the British made clear that Blair considered the back-channel meeting urgent. Tenet then rose to the occasion with a vengeance. Risen, quoting a former senior CIA official who helped host the British for a session that lasted most of Saturday, July 20, 2002, reports that Tenet and Dearlove had a 90-minute one-on-one conversation, during which Tenet was "very candid."

    Risen adds that by the time of this "intelligence summit," senior CIA officials had concluded that "the quality of the intelligence on weapons of mass destruction didn't really matter," since war was inevitable. That perverse attitude certainly prevailed two months later, when the fabricated National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq and WMD was produced by Tenet's National Intelligence Council in a successful attempt to deceive Congress into voting for war.

    A former CIA official told Risen that after the conversation with Tenet, Richard Dearlove could certainly "figure out what was going on; plus, the MI6 station chief in Washington was in CIA headquarters all the time, with just about complete access to everything." In any case, we now know that Blair got what he wanted out of the visit the inside scoop from someone enjoying the complete trust of, and daily access to, President Bush.

    The president now says that he does not want his political opposition to dwell on how he lied to Congress and the American people in order to invade a country and kill tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and more than 2,200 U. S. troops not to mention the many thousands maimed for life. Perhaps he knows that Risen's book could do as much damage to his administration by calling renewed attention to the Downing Street memos as is likely to be done by the revelations of the secret NSA wiretapping.

    One world leader recognizes the extreme danger of official lies told to a nation in the service of an aggressive war. He also happens to be a leader who survived the horrors of fascism in the last century. In a Jan. 1 address to the world, Pope Benedict XVI spoke about the consequences of lies such as these, in what can only be a thinly veiled reference to the president of the United States:

    "Sacred Scripture, in its very first book, Genesis, points to the lie told at the very beginning of history by the animal with a forked tongue, whom the Evangelist John calls 'the father of lies' (Jn 8:44). Lying is also one of the sins spoken of in the final chapter of the last book of the Bible, Revelation, which bars liars from the heavenly Jerusalem: 'outside are... all who love falsehood' (22:15). Lying is linked to the tragedy of sin and its perverse consequences, which have had, and continue to have, devastating effects on the lives of individuals and nations. We need but think of the events of the past century, when aberrant ideological and political systems wilfully twisted the truth and brought about the exploitation and murder of an appalling number of men and women, wiping out entire families and communities. After experiences like these, how can we fail to be seriously concerned about lies in our own time, lies which are the framework for menacing scenarios of death in many parts of the world."


    The ethos of the Central Intelligence Agency in which my contemporaries and I worked was chiseled into the marble at the entrance of CIA headquarters: "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

    Sadly, the agency has come a long way.

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    Report: Iraq intelligence 'dead wrong'
    Bush says fundamental changes needed in spy agencies


    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a scathing report on the intelligence community, a presidential commission Thursday said the United States still knows "disturbingly little" about the weapons programs and intentions of many of its "most dangerous adversaries."

    The panel also determined the intelligence community was "dead wrong" in its assessments of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities before the U.S. invasion.

    (continued here)
    http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/03/31/intel.report/

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    Re: Exposing The Bush Lies And War Crimes Machinery

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza.
    So, Tenet doesn't want to talk to Dearlove in the first place and then 'spills his guts' about how the US made it all up! (according to a 'former' CIA official, commenting on a one on one between Tenet and Dearlove)
    How was this 'former' unnamed, CIA operative able to comment on a one on one discussion?

    Talk about BS!
    Because he read the "Downing Street Memo", something that is, clearly, far over your own head. Or should we assign more merit to your absurd BS than the informed commentary of a career CIA officer? Dream on.

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    Re: Exposing The Bush Lies And War Crimes Machinery

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza.
    Excellent link!
    Just how involved was Tenet in providing false info to the Government?
    You'd have to debrief President Cheney under torture to get the answer to that.

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    Re: Exposing The Bush Lies And War Crimes Machinery

    Quote Originally Posted by dante
    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza
    So, Tenet doesn't want to talk to Dearlove in the first place and then 'spills his guts' about how the US made it all up! (according to a 'former' CIA official, commenting on a one on one between Tenet and Dearlove)
    How was this 'former' unnamed, CIA operative able to comment on a one on one discussion?
    Talk about BS!Because he read the "Downing Street Memo", something that is, clearly, far over your own head. Or should we assign more merit to your absurd BS than the informed commentary of a career CIA officer? Dream on.
    This is priceless. A one on one discussion includes only two people. Either the reference is to the Downing Street Memo or the reference is to the one on one discussion which by definition could not have any factual comments made about it unless it was made by one of the two people in the discussion.

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    Re: Exposing The Bush Lies And War Crimes Machinery

    This quote gets used a lot by people who want to claim the Administration new evidence was false.

    "..the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy."

    The word "fixed" always gets changed to "fabricated" implying "falsified". And it always seems to be done by people who try to pass themselves off as people of superior intellect.

    If your goal is to determine anything, you are going to look for and reference evidence that supports that position. The liberals on this site "fix" the evidence around their conclusions all the time. The administration used the evidence they had that they believed trumped any other intelligence. No fabrication, simply listing the pros and cons and seeing which one out weighed the other.

    Your ideas are no different the convincing people the boxes are not the same size and the lines are not parallel in the picture below:



    If you can believe they are not the same size boxes and the lines are not parrallel if you want, but the truth is they are.

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    Re: Exposing The Bush Lies And War Crimes Machinery

    Quote Originally Posted by RegulationE
    This quote gets used a lot by people who want to claim the Administration new evidence was false.

    "..the intelligence and the facts were being fixed around the policy."

    The word "fixed" always gets changed to "fabricated" implying "falsified". And it always seems to be done by people who try to pass themselves off as people of superior intellect.

    If your goal is to determine anything, you are going to look for and reference evidence that supports that position. The liberals on this site "fix" the evidence around their conclusions all the time. The administration used the evidence they had that they believed trumped any other intelligence. No fabrication, simply listing the pros and cons and seeing which one out weighed the other.

    Your ideas are no different the convincing people the boxes are not the same size and the lines are not parallel in the picture below:



    If you can believe they are not the same size boxes and the lines are not parrallel if you want, but the truth is they are.
    Reg
    That's a pretty big leap to say that the word "fixed" always gets changed to "fabricated" implying "falsified". Most of what I've read has implied that "fixing" the intelligence means accepting those bits of information that agreed with the administration's position and disregarding that information that did not agree with it.
    I also would like to know how you reached the conclusion that "the administration used the evidence they had that they believed trumped any other evidence" when there is so many people out there who say otherwise.

    If I were not to consider the black squares in your picture, then I would end up with something that looks completely different.
    Last edited by bairdi; 01-14-2006 at 11:48 PM.

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    Re: Exposing The Bush Lies And War Crimes Machinery

    Quote Originally Posted by bairdi
    Reg
    That's a pretty big leap to say that the word "fixed" always gets changed to "fabricated" implying "falsified". Most of what I've read has implied that "fixing" the intelligence means accepting those bits of information that agreed with the administration's position and disregarding that information that did not agree with it.
    You are correct in the "leap" it was a bigger jump then I intended.

    This - "The word "fixed" always gets changed to "fabricated" implying "falsified"."

    Should have read - The word "fixed" seems to get changed to "fabricated" implying "falsified".


    Quote Originally Posted by bairdi
    I also would like to know how you reached the conclusion that "the administration used the evidence they had that they believed trumped any other evidence" when there is so many people out there who say otherwise.
    You used the words "disregarding that information that did not agree with it" to explain the same thing I us "trumped" to describe.

    Before I respond to the "so many people" you refer to, who do you beleive these people are? Do you beleive they have access to raw intel, top secret intel, or even secret intel? Do any of these "people" have any agenda that would have been advanced if they where listened to? These are serious questions to understand who you are referring to before I respond.

    Quote Originally Posted by bairdi
    If I were not to consider the black squares in your picture, then I would end up with something that looks completely different.
    If you where not to consider the black squares, in the sense they did not exist, you would more clearly see the lines are parallel and the boxes are of the same size. I f you did not consider them because you don't believe in black squares, you still find the same results.

    It is looking at the entire picture that sometimes things appear to represent what you think you see because it appears so obvious. When in fact what you think you see is not even close to what the facts represent when you look closer.

    I am not defending the administrations view point at the moment, I am pointing out where the flaw may in fact lie in the opposing view point of the left in this case. It is also true that the same argument could be used against the Administrations decision. However, the truth lies in the details not in the vast picture that is being painted.

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