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    LIBERALS and DEMOCRATS

    This forum represents an excellent opportunity to view the liberal in action...arbitrarily unleveling the playing field in order to 'win'. Win what? Does it matter? In some cases it can be something as unimportant as the last word, as it was here.

    Liberals do not like or understand competition, and they seek to eliminate it from all facets of life. It is the raison d'etre of socialism/communism..."to each according to their needs, from each...blah, blah, blah.." The truth is that all successful and long-lasting societies are ones that encourage competition and achievement in all areas.

    Everyone here remembers the kids we grew up playing ball with. We can remember the ones who were talented, not-so talented, and those who tried hard. We can also remember the ones who played with honor, who would rather lose than cheat, and we remember those who would cheat anytime the opportunity presented itself. This included everything from cheap shots to outright cheating by calling 'fouls' where none had been committed. If you did that in certain schoolyards, you would be ostracized and not welcome to play( or some kind of more...shall we say, significant...punishment) . It is those people who invariably grow up to become liberals. Liberal males are, generally, weak--both physically and morally. They do not want any laws prohibiting immoral behavior because they want to believe that everyone thinks like they do. Those that are not gay are still not traditional 'men'. They fear women instead of respect them because women have controlled them, through their own weakness, their entire lives. Even liberal women do not respect liberal men. Just ask 'em!

    As we look at the progress(?) made in the last few years to eliminate competition from the classroom, it is easy to identify those in support of it. The teachers lobby is an extremely powerful political lobby comprised almost entirely of liberals. If you are NOT a liberal, believe me, they don't want you. When it is suggested that some kind of testing be done to determine the level of educational skills that our teachers actually possess, in an effort to determine why our children aren't learning much, the shrill keening shreiking protests could are heard for miles. You see, they do not like ANYTHING that places a numerical value on something, even though that is how the actual real world functions. They do not inhabit the real world and have no intention of joining.

    Liberals seek to 'win' by cheating...Like our moderator here, if they can simply RULE something to be inadmissable as speech or behavior, regardless of whether it is 'fair' or not, they will. And, if they can simply RULE something to be legal or not, regardless of whether it is the will of the majority, they will. Because they have never been able to compete successfully, they do not comprehend the concepts of either fair play or honor. This is the creeping danger of liberal judicial activism. THEY DON'T CARE what you want.

    They want their side to win in Iraq so bad that they actually declared defeat...weeks ago. They want to convict a major republican of something, anything, so bad that they shopped several juries just to get an indictment that has no hope of success. They wanted to kill Terri Shiavo so bad, just to show that they could, that they helped a scumbag commit murder for money...They threaten cities and towns that they will draw out lawsuits until they bankrupt them if they will not remove anything Christian-related from thier flags and their cities--no matter if the city started as a mission! They seek to make it easier to kill the sick, the helpless, and the unborn and make it more difficult to enact justice against criminals. Are these things the will of the people? Of course not.

    When a mental deficient like an umdkook fires filth at someone, beside noting with amusement the eternal interest(obsession?) that liberal males have with male genitalia and rear-ends, we understand that normal Americans do not think like that.

    And while it is true that all liberals are democrats, not all democrats are liberals. In fact, I would guess that ACTUAL liberals, ACTUAL filthy, lying, cowardly, gutless, godless liberals, make up no more than 15% of the democratic party. But two things are painfully evident...that the democratic party is currently under the control of liberals, and, far less important, that this particular political forum is overrun with them. If it helps, for clarity...examples of 'Democrats' would be FDR, Truman, and even JFK. Joseph Lieberman is an example of a well-known democrat today. As a contrast, 'liberals' are best defined by people like howard dean, nancy pelosi,john kerry, and ted kennedy. Anyone see the difference?

    Democrats SHOULD be proud members of a political party whose beliefs, while often in opposition to my own, might include pride in being an American and a genuine feeling of membership and participation in this growing, changing and wildly successful country. It ain't perfect, but it is still the most important and vital in the world.

    And we should all share the knowledge that we are a country well worth saving, and that only through our disinterest or inaction will we fall prey to the sick sweat-dream the liberals have of a future that does not include the America we have known and loved AT ALL.

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    Hi Pwrone,

    Since we have no moderator on this forum until Feb. 1, 2006, who are you referring to?

    You see, you write this long diatribe about unfairness and you are behind the times. I believe what you have written here is true for you. That is all to the good. Since this is a glimpse of what is in your mind, why do you stay?

    If liberals lie, cheat, are dishonest, do not understand competition, weak, unmanly, godless, why don't you go to another forum? Liberals here are not going to change, no matter how many names you call them. No matter how many threads you start about the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, Liberal Democrats, Canada, the liberals on this forum are not going to go along with your worldview. You are wasting your time. You are banned for what you think is an unfair reason, why stay in an environment that does not want your brand of "truth?"

    You have said on more than one occasion, if someone does not like a post or a reply, just by pass it or ignore it. In this post, you complain about someone making comments that in truth, should be ignored. Do you practice what you preach?

    What is the point of your tirade? We all know how you feel, what do you want from the people here? You say the same thing over and over again, why? Don't you ever get tired of repeating yourself to people who do not care and are not listening? The people who agree with you, need no convincing, and the ones who do not will not be convinced.

    DeeDee1965

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    Pwrone: is your definition of a "liberal" or "leftist" anyone that disagrees with
    your viewpoint, or a Republican viewpoint or figurehead?
    What do you know of a meadian-ground or neutral or "other than" view-
    point?
    Don't think the guys in Afganistan and Iraq are squabbling about all
    such differences, a lot of them just petty. I wonder what labels they
    have on their body when they come home in a casket?
    And Umdook, has a right to his/her? opinion, way of thinking, as long as
    noone gets hurt, except those that want to be hurt.
    I don't think Umdook is thinking about over-throwing the government.
    For all practical purposes probably just doen't really care about politics
    in general. Because after all, after most of us get over our personal
    fretting and fuming and sputtering, those in power are just going to go
    ahead and do as they damn well pleased and really couldn't care less
    about what you, me or anyone else thinks or says.
    End of spiel... thanks :cool:

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee1965
    Hi Pwrone,

    Since we have no moderator on this forum until Feb. 1, 2006, who are you referring to?

    You see, you write this long diatribe about unfairness and you are behind the times. I believe what you have written here is true for you. That is all to the good. Since this is a glimpse of what is in your mind, why do you stay?

    If liberals lie, cheat, are dishonest, do not understand competition, weak, unmanly, godless, why don't you go to another forum? Liberals here are not going to change, no matter how many names you call them. No matter how many threads you start about the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, Liberal Democrats, Canada, the liberals on this forum are not going to go along with your worldview. You are wasting your time. You are banned for what you think is an unfair reason, why stay in an environment that does not want your brand of "truth?"

    You have said on more than one occasion, if someone does not like a post or a reply, just by pass it or ignore it. In this post, you complain about someone making comments that in truth, should be ignored. Do you practice what you preach?

    What is the point of your tirade? We all know how you feel, what do you want from the people here? You say the same thing over and over again, why? Don't you ever get tired of repeating yourself to people who do not care and are not listening? The people who agree with you, need no convincing, and the ones who do not will not be convinced.

    DeeDee1965

    Hi DeeDee...what is your motive for writing what you do? Is it so you can express your opinion on matters of interest to you? AH HA! EUREKA!!

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    Re: LIBERALS and DEMOCRATS

    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    Hi DeeDee...what is your motive for writing what you do? Is it so you can express your opinion on matters of interest to you? AH HA! EUREKA!!
    Hi Pwrone,

    I do not complain about the members here that do not agree with me.

    I do not on a regular basis, accuse the members I disagree with of being, liars, weak, godless, morally bankrupt, cheaters.

    I do not use the words "conservative" and "republican" as if they were insults.

    I do not accuse the moderators, (when we had them) of being unfair and biased.

    I do not post threads designed to irritate, and bait, the members here.

    These are the things you do.


    I do try to stimulate debate, and have interesting discussions, and learn what other people have to share.

    These are the things you do not do.

    DeeDee1965
    Last edited by DeeDee1965; 12-28-2005 at 10:25 PM.

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    Re: LIBERALS and DEMOCRATS

    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    And while it is true that all liberals are democrats..
    Nope. I'm a liberal, but I'm no democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    Nope. I'm a liberal, but I'm no democrat.
    lol....I was just thinking my Father is a liberal but he in no way fits the stereotype posted above.

    pwrone does make some points that have always bothered me about liberals though. The ones I know very well do tend to want people to "feel good" about what they are doing way more then they want them to get things right.

    While I lived in Tahoe, there was a huge push by a Liberal Special Interest Group to do away with the issuing of letter grades somewhere in California. The claim was that it made people compare themselves to others and may lead to a lesser self image. Instead of handing out a letter grade, they wanted to either give out a notation of "improvement or marked improvement" but I am not sure what they was supposed to accomplish. Seems like the person getting "marked improvement" would feel better about themselves then the one only getting "improvement".

    And we wonder why the US is falling behind the educational leaders of the world. Either 2 + 2 = 4 or it doesn't, and if you tell a kid they should feel good because they tried but still came up with 2 + 2 = 9, well you are leading them towards failure in their life without a doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RegulationE
    lol....I was just thinking my Father is a liberal but he in no way fits the stereotype posted above.

    pwrone does make some points that have always bothered me about liberals though. The ones I know very well do tend to want people to "feel good" about what they are doing way more then they want them to get things right.

    While I lived in Tahoe, there was a huge push by a Liberal Special Interest Group to do away with the issuing of letter grades somewhere in California. The claim was that it made people compare themselves to others and may lead to a lesser self image. Instead of handing out a letter grade, they wanted to either give out a notation of "improvement or marked improvement" but I am not sure what they was supposed to accomplish. Seems like the person getting "marked improvement" would feel better about themselves then the one only getting "improvement".

    And we wonder why the US is falling behind the educational leaders of the world. Either 2 + 2 = 4 or it doesn't, and if you tell a kid they should feel good because they tried but still came up with 2 + 2 = 9, well you are leading them towards failure in their life without a doubt.
    Yeah, I chalk things like that up to plain non-partisan idiocy. I wouldn't lump conservatives and Republicans together with those that tried to push Intelligent Design into public school curriculum, now would I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    This forum represents an excellent opportunity to view the liberal in action...arbitrarily unleveling the playing field in order to 'win'. Win what? Does it matter? In some cases it can be something as unimportant as the last word, as it was here.

    Liberals do not like or understand competition, and they seek to eliminate it from all facets of life. It is the raison d'etre of socialism/communism..."to each according to their needs, from each...blah, blah, blah.." The truth is that all successful and long-lasting societies are ones that encourage competition and achievement in all areas.

    Everyone here remembers the kids we grew up playing ball with. We can remember the ones who were talented, not-so talented, and those who tried hard. We can also remember the ones who played with honor, who would rather lose than cheat, and we remember those who would cheat anytime the opportunity presented itself. This included everything from cheap shots to outright cheating by calling 'fouls' where none had been committed. If you did that in certain schoolyards, you would be ostracized and not welcome to play( or some kind of more...shall we say, significant...punishment) . It is those people who invariably grow up to become liberals. Liberal males are, generally, weak--both physically and morally. They do not want any laws prohibiting immoral behavior because they want to believe that everyone thinks like they do. Those that are not gay are still not traditional 'men'. They fear women instead of respect them because women have controlled them, through their own weakness, their entire lives. Even liberal women do not respect liberal men. Just ask 'em!

    As we look at the progress(?) made in the last few years to eliminate competition from the classroom, it is easy to identify those in support of it. The teachers lobby is an extremely powerful political lobby comprised almost entirely of liberals. If you are NOT a liberal, believe me, they don't want you. When it is suggested that some kind of testing be done to determine the level of educational skills that our teachers actually possess, in an effort to determine why our children aren't learning much, the shrill keening shreiking protests could are heard for miles. You see, they do not like ANYTHING that places a numerical value on something, even though that is how the actual real world functions. They do not inhabit the real world and have no intention of joining.

    Liberals seek to 'win' by cheating...Like our moderator here, if they can simply RULE something to be inadmissable as speech or behavior, regardless of whether it is 'fair' or not, they will. And, if they can simply RULE something to be legal or not, regardless of whether it is the will of the majority, they will. Because they have never been able to compete successfully, they do not comprehend the concepts of either fair play or honor. This is the creeping danger of liberal judicial activism. THEY DON'T CARE what you want.

    They want their side to win in Iraq so bad that they actually declared defeat...weeks ago. They want to convict a major republican of something, anything, so bad that they shopped several juries just to get an indictment that has no hope of success. They wanted to kill Terri Shiavo so bad, just to show that they could, that they helped a scumbag commit murder for money...They threaten cities and towns that they will draw out lawsuits until they bankrupt them if they will not remove anything Christian-related from thier flags and their cities--no matter if the city started as a mission! They seek to make it easier to kill the sick, the helpless, and the unborn and make it more difficult to enact justice against criminals. Are these things the will of the people? Of course not.

    When a mental deficient like an umdkook fires filth at someone, beside noting with amusement the eternal interest(obsession?) that liberal males have with male genitalia and rear-ends, we understand that normal Americans do not think like that.

    And while it is true that all liberals are democrats, not all democrats are liberals. In fact, I would guess that ACTUAL liberals, ACTUAL filthy, lying, cowardly, gutless, godless liberals, make up no more than 15% of the democratic party. But two things are painfully evident...that the democratic party is currently under the control of liberals, and, far less important, that this particular political forum is overrun with them. If it helps, for clarity...examples of 'Democrats' would be FDR, Truman, and even JFK. Joseph Lieberman is an example of a well-known democrat today. As a contrast, 'liberals' are best defined by people like howard dean, nancy pelosi,john kerry, and ted kennedy. Anyone see the difference?

    Democrats SHOULD be proud members of a political party whose beliefs, while often in opposition to my own, might include pride in being an American and a genuine feeling of membership and participation in this growing, changing and wildly successful country. It ain't perfect, but it is still the most important and vital in the world.

    And we should all share the knowledge that we are a country well worth saving, and that only through our disinterest or inaction will we fall prey to the sick sweat-dream the liberals have of a future that does not include the America we have known and loved AT ALL.
    You have no right to lable anybody.

    While I can agreee that members of congress may not be the best represenitives of a democrats morals--but can you say the bribe taking, vote selling scum that the republican congress presently represents ALL republicans??

    If any point can be taken from your radical & insulting OPINION- is that the members who are representing us in congress are all corrupted by the very contributors that helped get them there. They don't represent their constituants- they represent the corporations that gave them money.

    AS for your name calling & insulting description of a liberal-- well I haven't found a republican yet that can debate the issue without name calling or a smear campaign (which is what you did)

    Since you seem to think that all liberals are GODLESS--- let me remind you that Jesus FED THE POOR, HE HEALED THE SICK, HE TAUGHT TO SHARE, TAKE CARE OF THE ELDERLY & DO KIND DEEDS.

    He would not promote lying to go to war, removal of cival rights, giving power from the people to the corporations, he certainly didn't promote the destruction of our enviroment. He didn't condone torturing of prisoners, he would have disapproved of spying, he would have reached out to understand (a little diplomacy) people from other worlds. He would NOT have voted to give tax breaks to the poor while cutting aid to the poor. He wouldn't have placed unqualified people to important positions & he wouldn't make decisions as to how it would affect his pocketbook (or his rich friends) Jesus would rule for the better of all---not just for a few.

    I am very tired of the republicans saying they have the "christian" morals---as I certainly don't see it.

    While the republicans say that they love their country- we see little more than the words. Loving a country means to love what it was founded upon. loving the constitution, It means wanting to help the people (not the corporations) It means CARING. I don't see a whole lot of CARE on the repub side. The only care I have witnessed is the care for how much money he has in the bank.

    As for cheating-- I don't know what went on here on this forum-- but I do know that the present administration in your beloved government cheats on a regular basis. They cheated to have a war. They cheat in order to smear any person who comes forward with the truth. They cheat the people out of their cival rights, they cheat the entire country out of an honest government. They cheat to better themselves- NOT for the entire country.

    If I were born 5 years ago-- I would say that a conservative republican government was equal to fascism.

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    Pwrone, I wish you would just ABSENT yourself permanently from this forum. Your brand of hate is equal to that of Hitler and is very counterproductive to sharing and learning anything here. In fact, you personify to this forum what liberals point out is wrong with the Bush administration, you are very destructive and intollerant towards others who do not share your views.

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    I have to admit, that there was a lot pwrone said that I felt was going a bit far, but I also think there was a lot that sadly, he got correct.

    We all have our party of preference, but that alone is not why any of us post here. The reality of why we all choose to go to battle for our political leaders, I believe has nothing at all to do with the politicians themselves. In my case, I know this to be correct and although I rarely think about or acknowledge even to myself, why I really post on this and other forums, I haven't gotten so lost in the BS that I have ever let it slip away.

    The reason I even mentioned this, is because pwrone said a few key things in his post that hit home and brought to the surface the feelings and beliefs that landed me this part time career a few years back.

    I have never stated on paper or bbs, the actual reason I am here, and what motivates me deep inside to continue doing this, and I expect I probably never will. Which brings me to this.

    You all on the left side of the fence give pwrone a pretty rough time about what he sometimes chooses to post, and whether you choose to believe me or not, I think he posts on this forum for good and very sincere reasons. I think your beliefs that pwrone posts to anger, insult or enrage the left is not only false, but it is not even close to what brings him here.

    I'll leave it at that...

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17
    I have to admit, that there was a lot pwrone said that I felt was going a bit far, but I also think there was a lot that sadly, he got correct.

    We all have our party of preference, but that alone is not why any of us post here. The reality of why we all choose to go to battle for our political leaders, I believe has nothing at all to do with the politicians themselves. In my case, I know this to be correct and although I rarely think about or acknowledge even to myself, why I really post on this and other forums, I haven't gotten so lost in the BS that I have ever let it slip away.

    The reason I even mentioned this, is because pwrone said a few key things in his post that hit home and brought to the surface the feelings and beliefs that landed me this part time career a few years back.

    I have never stated on paper or bbs, the actual reason I am here, and what motivates me deep inside to continue doing this, and I expect I probably never will. Which brings me to this.

    You all on the left side of the fence give pwrone a pretty rough time about what he sometimes chooses to post, and whether you choose to believe me or not, I think he posts on this forum for good and very sincere reasons. I think your beliefs that pwrone posts to anger, insult or enrage the left is not only false, but it is not even close to what brings him here.

    I'll leave it at that...

    Thank you.

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    I've spoken to pwrone, in the beginning I believe what you say is true. Somewhere along the way it turned into a hate issue. At first I was just pretty shocked, anymore, I simply find it disturbing and disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    I've spoken to pwrone, in the beginning I believe what you say is true. Somewhere along the way it turned into a hate issue. At first I was just pretty shocked, anymore, I simply find it disturbing and disgusting.

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    How about just the facts, ma'am:

    1) Liberal politicians, and you yourself, have declared defeat in Iraq.

    2) The push to eliminate competition in schools is solely supported by liberals.

    3) The teachers union went ballistic when confronted by the suggestion that they should meet minimum requirements to be allowed to teach our children.


    4) The right-to-die groups are liberals and were instrumental in the murder of Terri Shiavo.

    5) Liberals routinely threaten towns with lawsuits in order to impose their godless will upon them. ROUTINELY.

    6) The D.A. shopped several juries in order to deliver a half-assed indictment under deadline for a film about his pursuit of Delay...you just can't make this stuff up!

    7) "They seek to make it easier to kill the weak, the helpless, and the unborn and make it more difficult to enact justice against criminals". YUP

    8) The democratic party is under the control of liberals.

    9) FDR, Truman and JFK had backbone(at least until bay of pigs) and would have acted aggressively against threats. pelosi and the other germs do not and would not.

    10) Using activist judges to change laws according to the wishes of a minority is a liberal hallmark, demonstrated on a smaller scale by your patently biased treatment of the power to ban. Your suggestion that the right on this board is in favor of routine banning for opinion expression is simply not true, and if you are able to prove me wrong I will go away, ashamed that I had so misjudged fellow right-wingers. On the other hand, the desire of liberals on this forum to "make them go away" is extremely well documented. To me, winning by fiat is not winning, but cheating. That is what I am posting about.


    You say that I am spilling hatred, I say that hatred is spilled by liberals toward my country, the country I love, every hour of every day. I say that the liberal vision of a country(or world) without laws, where nothing is 'right' or 'wrong', is the road to the end times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    Yeah, I chalk things like that up to plain non-partisan idiocy. I wouldn't lump conservatives and Republicans together with those that tried to push Intelligent Design into public school curriculum, now would I?
    Maybe this is a good thread to start. The bottom line is if we are going to teach our children the "THEORY of evolution" there is not reason we should not also teach them the "Theory of creation" or as it is now being called the "THEORY of
    intelligent design".

    I think I will start a thread about this and see where it goes...could be interesting.

    Other point:

    As for chalking it up to plain non-partisan idiocy, trying to make everyone feel good about themselves, I kind of agree with you. It is a very good example of the far left's view on things.

    Most people in this forum, I would venture to guess, are not extreme to either side. Yes there are a few, but if the truth be told, most of us really want something left of what we have and something right of what the "Left" is trying to get. Most of us would probably be considered moderates. I even got labeled as a Liberal on another forum...go figure, guess it depends on the view point of the forum you are posting to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    How about just the facts, ma'am:

    1) Liberal politicians, and you yourself, have declared defeat in Iraq.

    2) The push to eliminate competition in schools is solely supported by liberals.

    3) The teachers union went ballistic when confronted by the suggestion that they should meet minimum requirements to be allowed to teach our children.


    4) The right-to-die groups are liberals and were instrumental in the murder of Terri Shiavo.

    5) Liberals routinely threaten towns with lawsuits in order to impose their godless will upon them. ROUTINELY.

    6) The D.A. shopped several juries in order to deliver a half-assed indictment under deadline for a film about his pursuit of Delay...you just can't make this stuff up!

    7) "They seek to make it easier to kill the weak, the helpless, and the unborn and make it more difficult to enact justice against criminals". YUP

    8) The democratic party is under the control of liberals.

    9) FDR, Truman and JFK had backbone(at least until bay of pigs) and would have acted aggressively against threats. pelosi and the other germs do not and would not.

    10) Using activist judges to change laws according to the wishes of a minority is a liberal hallmark, demonstrated on a smaller scale by your patently biased treatment of the power to ban. Your suggestion that the right on this board is in favor of routine banning for opinion expression is simply not true, and if you are able to prove me wrong I will go away, ashamed that I had so misjudged fellow right-wingers. On the other hand, the desire of liberals on this forum to "make them go away" is extremely well documented. To me, winning by fiat is not winning, but cheating. That is what I am posting about.


    You say that I am spilling hatred, I say that hatred is spilled by liberals toward my country, the country I love, every hour of every day. I say that the liberal vision of a country(or world) without laws, where nothing is 'right' or 'wrong', is the road to the end times.
    pwrone...this was a much better way of making your point :)

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    [QUOTE=pwrone]How about just the facts, ma'am:

    1) Liberal politicians, and you yourself, have declared defeat in Iraq.

    ANS. Defeat? I think we declared that paticular war was unwinnable. Ergo, whatever the "bigger issue" is this week, it's not going to be won in Iraq. They have a lot more problems there than anything we can offer to cure it.


    2) The push to eliminate competition in schools is solely supported by liberals.

    ANS. I wouldn't go that far. Most of the teachers I butt heads with are conservative Republicans, not liberals. That may only be an issue in California where most of the state is liberal, regardless of party affiliation.

    3) The teachers union went ballistic when confronted by the suggestion that they should meet minimum requirements to be allowed to teach our children.

    ANS. Of course they did, but in reality, some of the BEST and most effective teachers the schools had were not 4 year go to college and get a degree teachers either. And some of the requirements were far fetched. I really don't care if the mechanics teacher can also teach Biology, I want the mechanics teacher to be the best at teaching the student about mechanics.


    4) The right-to-die groups are liberals and were instrumental in the murder of Terri Shiavo.

    ANS. WHAT! I don't recall liberals supporting the husband.

    5) Liberals routinely threaten towns with lawsuits in order to impose their godless will upon them. ROUTINELY.

    ANS. Your opinion, which amounts to 2 cents here.

    6) The D.A. shopped several juries in order to deliver a half-assed indictment under deadline for a film about his pursuit of Delay...you just can't make this stuff up!

    ANS. Sure you can, the White House does it every day. As do news media, lawyers, criminals... :rolleyes: It's interesting that the judge didn't let DeLay off the hook like he wanted isn't it? You know? The judge that DeLay wanted to have so badly because of bias issues?


    7) "They seek to make it easier to kill the weak, the helpless, and the unborn and make it more difficult to enact justice against criminals". YUP

    ANS. Again your opinion. You know, some people throw out pennies these days as virtually worthless pieces of copper?

    8) The democratic party is under the control of liberals.

    ANS. Opinion. The Democrats would probably take issue with that.


    9) FDR, Truman and JFK had backbone(at least until bay of pigs) and would have acted aggressively against threats. pelosi and the other germs do not and would not.

    ANS. More opinion.


    10) Using activist judges to change laws according to the wishes of a minority is a liberal hallmark, demonstrated on a smaller scale by your patently biased treatment of the power to ban. Your suggestion that the right on this board is in favor of routine banning for opinion expression is simply not true, and if you are able to prove me wrong I will go away, ashamed that I had so misjudged fellow right-wingers. On the other hand, the desire of liberals on this forum to "make them go away" is extremely well documented. To me, winning by fiat is not winning, but cheating. That is what I am posting about.

    ANS. I never suggested that either side was in favor of routine banning for opinion expression. So, I say that what you are saying is a huge misconception on your part, but then you routinely twist the facts to suit yourself anyway so I'm really not too awfully surprised to read these words you type.


    You say that I am spilling hatred, I say that hatred is spilled by liberals toward my country, the country I love, every hour of every day. I say that the liberal vision of a country(or world) without laws, where nothing is 'right' or 'wrong', is the road to the end times.

    ANS. You are entitled to your OPINIONs Pwrone, BUT so is every one else. You are not king, but you are very intolerant to others views that differ from your own. And whether you are aware of it or not, you sound like you hate everyone here. Many times.

    Got any more "Facts according to Pwrone's world" to talk about?

    Lady Mod

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