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    Embedded TIME Reporter: Bush Lied In Speech Yesterday About Iraqi Security Forces
    Yesterday, President Bush claimed that Iraqi security forces “primarily led” the assault on the city of Tal Afar. Bush highlighted it as an “especially clear” sign of the progress Iraq security forces were making in Iraq.

    The progress of the Iraqi forces is especially clear when the recent anti-terrorist operations in Tal Afar are compared with last year’s assault in Fallujah. In Fallujah, the assault was led by nine coalition battalions made up primarily of United States Marines and Army — with six Iraqi battalions supporting them…This year in Tal Afar, it was a very different story. The assault was primarily led by Iraqi security forces — 11 Iraqi battalions, backed by five coalition battalions providing support.

    TIME Magazine reporter Michael Ware, who is embedded with the U.S. troops in Iraq who participated in the Tal Afar battle, appeared on Anderson Cooper yesterday. He said Bush’s description was completely untrue:

    I was in that battle from the very beginning to the very end. I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaeda. They were not leading. They were being led by the U.S. green beret special forces with them.

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    Sen. John Warner (R-VA) who was also on Anderson Cooper yesterday said “I respect those journalists that embed themselves and I accept as a credible description what you’ve just put forward.”

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    COOPER: You know this is not one of the shows where we take sides. I really try to just look at facts on the ground, and the President in his speech talked about the battle of Tal Afar. And in his speech today, he said that it was led primarily by Iraqi security forces, eleven Iraqi battalions, backed by five coalition battalions providing support. He used this as compared to the battle of Fallujah as an example of how much better the Iraqis are doing. Earlier, I talked to Time Magazine’s Michael Ware, the Baghdad bureau chief who was embedded during the entire battle. I want to play you what he said about the Iraqi units he saw.

    WARE: I was in that battle from the very beginning to the very end. I was with Iraqi units right there on the front line as they were battling with al Qaeda. They were not leading. They were being led by the U.S. green beret special forces with them. Green berets who were following an American plan of attack who were advancing with these Iraqi units as and when they were told to do so by the American battle planners. The Iraqis led nothing.

    COOPER: Do you think the president was correct in saying that this was an Iraqi victory, that the Iraqis were leading the way?

    WARNER: Well, I’ll let the commanders sort that out but I - first I respect those journalists that embed themselves and I accept as a credible description what you’ve just put forward. But you didn’t hear him say they cut and run like they did in Fallujah. You didn’t hear him say that the Iraqis dropped the arms. He said they were fighting. Now it may well have been that the battle plan was drawn up by the coalition forces, probably the U.S. leading.

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    Total misinformation to lead us into a preemptive war, screening of people at campaign appearances, phoney reporters asking softball questions at whitehouse newconferences, planted stories in Iraqi newspapers, scripted newconferences, and now another political spin in yet another speech before yet another non threating audience. How can anyone believe anything anymore that comes out of this administration or from the right wing media?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bairdi
    Total misinformation to lead us into a preemptive war, screening of people at campaign appearances, phoney reporters asking softball questions at whitehouse newconferences, planted stories in Iraqi newspapers, scripted newconferences, and now another political spin in yet another speech before yet another non threating audience. How can anyone believe anything anymore that comes out of this administration or from the right wing media?
    I agree with you bairdi, how in the world are they going to deny this lie. I guess the will put some repug spin dance on it to cover up the fact. This reporter was right there on the battelfield, I don't understand why Bush just cannot be honest and upfront.

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    Lets not forget who were talking about. Bush will be honest and upfront about the same time hell gets frosen over, And even what once was the most avid of Bush supporters at the point of his reelection are beginning see that in their beloved President..And the repugs will deny this lie, Cause the repugs seem to be real good at things like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bairdi
    Total misinformation to lead us into a preemptive war, screening of people at campaign appearances, phoney reporters asking softball questions at whitehouse newconferences, planted stories in Iraqi newspapers, scripted newconferences, and now another political spin in yet another speech before yet another non threating audience. How can anyone believe anything anymore that comes out of this administration or from the right wing media?


    "right wing media?" Get a grip. And I think we all bow down to the vast understanding of battle strategies and progress possessed by the typical imbedded reporter...guys like this:

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    Who here would like to define "primarily led" as it relates to military operations? Anyone?

    Is it possible that the embedded reporter was not in on the planning of the mission? Is it possible that the mission was in part a training exercise in which the Iraqi's where the primary lead in the assualt?

    Just asking thoses of you who are so quick to jump on the "He Lied" campaign yet again.

    While I do not doubt what the reporter thinks he saw, it is very possible what he saw was not what was really happening. Unless he was part of the planning and complete execution of the mission, all that he can report on is what took place in front of his eyes, nothing more and nothing less. However, I have my doubts he was able to see everything, or even the majority of things that where taking place around him.

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    This is what I mean by the spin the right puts on things when someone who was on the battlefield from start to finish disputes what Bush offers us in his speech. You do not have to be a general or a road scholar to know what "primarily led" means in any circumstance. Whoever you are describing within the phrase that, that person or group took the majority role in leadership of in this case the battle. My point is that, why did Bush have to mislead? He could have simply stated that the newly trained Iraqi troops were side by side in the battle with American troops. That would have been a more realistic statement. This president always refuses to be upfront and honest, everytime he lies he gets caught, and with something as simple as this statment it still baffles me about his lack of honesty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy4887
    This is what I mean by the spin the right puts on things when someone who was on the battlefield from start to finish disputes what Bush offers us in his speech.
    Who is spinning anything here from the right? I asked some questions trying to find some answers. Are you calling that spin?

    Quote Originally Posted by tommy4887
    You do not have to be a general or a road scholar to know what "primarily led" means in any circumstance. Whoever you are describing within the phrase that, that person or group took the majority role in leadership of in this case the battle.
    Now you are using "Majority Role" in your definition and again this leaves much room for interpretation.

    I coach kids in and train coaches. A new coach will be "the primary lead" in practice as we train and they will start by scheduling a practice and planning the activities in that practice. They will coach the practice until the moment they are either locing control or affecting in a non positive way, the learning of the students under our guidence. At that point I or another asistant will take over the practice either until the "primary lead" can recover and continue or until the practice is over. Does not mean they did not take the primary led in that event.

    Quote Originally Posted by tommy4887
    My point is that, why did Bush have to mislead? He could have simply stated that the newly trained Iraqi troops were side by side in the battle with American troops. That would have been a more realistic statement.
    My point is that your opinion of Bush is so low that if he does not explain things exactly as you see them, he is lieing or misleading the American people. It is all a matter of perspective and the perspective of the reporter embedded with the Iraqi troops was different then the prespective of the President. Doesn't mean either of them lied, just say things from different vantage points and to the reporter it looked different then to the President.

    Quote Originally Posted by tommy4887
    This president always refuses to be upfront and honest, everytime he lies he gets caught, and with something as simple as this statment it still baffles me about his lack of honesty.
    Your view it as a lack of honesty because of something that a single reporter said about the mission and how they thought was running things. What this reporter says gets you all excited for a couple of reasons; you hate the President, you and want him to be discredited everytime he turns around, and you loo for anylittle thing you can find to back up your point.

    Your comments seem to stem back to the State of the Unoun Address in 2003 when it is reported he lied about WMD in Iraq. I suggest you go back and read the transcript of that speech again. I have read and reread it a number of times in the past few days and what I find is exactly what he said.

    He quoted UN intel and British Intel quote a bit in the speech. The Enriched Uranium claim did in fact get discredited and there were questions about the aluminum tubes and what they were to be used for. However, everything he said about the WMD stock piles was based on what the world thought they knew and what the UN had reported themselves.

    A lie is when you say "I didn't have sex with that woman" not when you say "Our intelligents reports indicate that Iraq has WMD." One gets you impeached by Congress and the other gets you branded a liar, but leads to the removal of an evil dictator and the capture of some of the worlds most wanted terrorists. These things are not in dispute.

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    I do not hate anyone. I do no expect Bush to say what I want to hear, however whatever he tells me, I would like to be told the truth about what's happening in Iraq. Not just the rosey picture he paints and wants me to hear. I am not just saying this from a partisan view. In my personal opinion, I just think Bush could do a better job at leveling with the people. He seems so distant from ordinary working class people. To say that I hate him is a farstretch. Remember " I will be a uniter and not a divider", Bush needs to repeat that statement everyday and ask himself is he living up to that statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    "right wing media?" Get a grip. And I think we all bow down to the vast understanding of battle strategies and progress possessed by the typical imbedded reporter...guys like this:
    right wing media..... Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Newsmax and most sources you get news from as opposed to main stream media or left wing media. I know, you think those two are one in the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RegulationE

    Your comments seem to stem back to the State of the Unoun Address in 2003 when it is reported he lied about WMD in Iraq. I suggest you go back and read the transcript of that speech again. I have read and reread it a number of times in the past few days and what I find is exactly what he said.
    Cut to fit.
    I'd be more inclined to say that tommy's comments stem back to a speech that Bush gave in Cincinnati back in 2002. I've highlighted his lies in red.


    Following is the text of an address given by President Bush in Cincinnati
    Monday October 7, 2002

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    Thank you for that very gracious and warm Cincinnati welcome. I'm honored to be here tonight. I appreciate you all coming. Tonight I want to take a few minutes to discuss a grave threat to peace and America's determination to lead the world in confronting that threat.

    The threat comes from Iraq. It arises directly from the Iraqi regime's own actions, its history of aggression and its drive toward an arsenal of terror.

    Eleven years ago, as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War, the Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease all development of such weapons and to stop all support for terrorist groups. The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism and practices terror against its own people. The entire world has witnessed Iraq's 11-year history of defiance, deception and bad faith.

    We must also never forget the most vivid events of recent history. On September 11 2001, America felt its vulnerability even to threats that gather on the other side of the Earth. We resolved then, and we are resolved today, to confront every threat from any source that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America.

    Members of Congress of both political parties, and members of the United Nations Security Council, agree that Saddam Hussein is a threat to peace and must disarm. We agree that the Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons.

    Since we all agree on this goal, the issue is how best can we achieve it?

    Many Americans have raised legitimate questions about the nature of the threat, about the urgency of action. Why be concerned now? About the link between Iraq developing weapons of terror and the wider war on terror.

    These are all issues we've discussed broadly and fully within my administration, and tonight I want to share those discussions with you.

    First, some ask why Iraq is different from other countries or regimes that also have terrible weapons. While there are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place.

    Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are controlled by a murderous tyrant who has already used chemical weapons to kill thousands of people. This same tyrant has tried to dominate the Middle East, has invaded and brutally occupied a small neighbor, has struck other nations without warning and holds an unrelenting hostility toward the United States. By its past and present actions, by its technological capabilities, by the merciless nature of its regime, Iraq is unique.

    As a former chief weapons inspector of the UN has said, "The fundamental problem with Iraq remains the nature of the regime itself." Saddam Hussein is a homicidal dictator who is addicted to weapons of mass destruction.

    Some ask how urgent this danger is to America and the world. The danger is already significant, and it only grows worse with time. If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today - and we do - does it make any sense for the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even more dangerous weapons?

    In 1995, after several years of deceit by the Iraqi regime, the head of Iraq's military industries defected. It was then that the regime was forced to admit that it had produced more than 30,000 litres of anthrax and other deadly biological agents. The inspectors, however, concluded that Iraq had likely produced two to four times that amount. This is a massive stockpile of biological weapons that has never been accounted for and is capable of killing millions.

    We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, Sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas. Saddam Hussein also has experience in using chemical weapons. He's ordered chemical attacks on Iran and on more than 40 villages in his own country. These actions killed or injured at least 20,000 people: more than six times the number of people who died in the attacks of September 11.

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    And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons. Every chemical and biological weapon that Iraq has or makes is a direct violation of the truce that ended the Persian Gulf War in 1991.Yet Saddam Hussein has chosen to build and keep these weapons, despite international sanctions, UN demands and isolation from the civilized world.

    Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles; far enough to strike Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey and other nations in a region where more than 135,000 American civilians and service members live and work.

    We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles [UAVs] that could be used to disperse chemical and biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States.

    And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack. All that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it. And that is the source of our urgent concern about Saddam Hussein's links to international terrorist groups.

    Over the years Iraq has provided safe haven to terrorists such as Abu Nidal, whose terror organization carried out more than 90 terrorist attacks in 20 countries that killed or injured nearly 900 people, including 12 Americans.

    Iraq has also provided safe haven to Abu Abbas, who is responsible for seizing the Achille Lauro and killing an American passenger. And we know that Iraq is continuing to finance terror and gives assistance to groups that use terrorism to undermine Middle East peace.

    We know that Iraq and the al-Qaida terrorist network share a common enemy: the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al-Qaida have had high-level contacts that go back a decade.

    Some al-Qaida leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al-Qaida leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks.

    We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaida members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September 11 Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America.

    Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists. Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints.

    Some have argued that confronting the threat from Iraq could detract from the war against terror. To the contrary, confronting the threat posed by Iraq is crucial to winning the war on terror.

    When I spoke to Congress more than a year ago, I said that those who harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves. Saddam Hussein is harboring terrorists and the instruments of terror, the instruments of mass death and destruction, and he cannot be trusted. The risk is simply too great that he will use them or provide them to a terror network.

    Terror cells and outlaw regimes building weapons of mass destruction are different faces of the same evil. Our security requires that we confront both, and the United States military is capable of confronting both.

    Many people have asked how close Saddam Hussein is to developing a nuclear weapon. Well, we don't know exactly, and that's the problem. Before the Gulf War, the best intelligence indicated that Iraq was eight to 10 years away from developing a nuclear weapon. After the war, international inspectors learned that the regime had been much closer. The regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.

    The inspectors discovered that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a workable nuclear weapon and was pursuing several different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. Before being barred from Iraq in 1998, the International Atomic Energy Agency dismantled extensive nuclear weapons-related facilities, including three uranium enrichment sites.

    That same year, information from a high-ranking Iraqi nuclear engineer who had defected revealed that, despite his public promises, Saddam Hussein had ordered his nuclear program to continue.

    The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists . . . his "nuclear mujaheddin," his nuclear holy warriors.

    Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of his nuclear program in the past.

    Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.

    If the Iraqi regime is able to produce, buy or steal an amount of highly enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball, he could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year.

    And if we allow that to happen, a terrible line would be crossed. Saddam Hussein would be in a position to blackmail anyone who opposes his aggression. He would be in a position to dominate the Middle East. He would be in a position to threaten America. And Saddam Hussein would be in a position to pass nuclear technology to terrorists.

    Some citizens wonder, "After 11 years of living with this problem, why do we need to confront it now?"

    And there's a reason. We have experienced the horror of September 11. We have seen that those who hate America are willing to crash airplanes into buildings full of innocent people. Our enemies would be no less willing, in fact they would be eager, to use biological or chemical or a nuclear weapon.

    Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.

    As President Kennedy said in October of 1962, "Neither the United States of America nor the world community of nations can tolerate deliberate deception and offensive threats on the part of any nation, large or small. We no longer live in a world," he said, "where only the actual firing of weapons represents a sufficient challenge to a nation's security to constitute maximum peril."

    Understanding the threats of our time, knowing the designs and deceptions of the Iraqi regime, we have every reason to assume the worst, and we have an urgent duty to prevent the worst from occurring.

    Some believe we can address this danger by simply resuming the old approach to inspections and applying diplomatic and economic pressure. Yet this is precisely what the world has tried to do since 1991.

    The UN inspections program was met with systematic deception. The Iraqi regime bugged hotel rooms and offices of inspectors to find where they were going next. They forged documents, destroyed evidence and developed mobile weapons facilities to keep a step ahead of inspectors. Eight so-called presidential palaces were declared off-limits to unfettered inspections. These sites actually encompass 12 square miles, with hundreds of structures both above and below the ground where sensitive materials could be hidden.

    The world has also tried economic sanctions and watched Iraqi's billions of dollars in illegal oil revenues to fund more weapons purchases rather than provide for the needs of the Iraqi people.

    The world has tried limited military strikes to destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities, only to see them openly rebuilt while the regime again denies they even exist.

    The world has tried no-fly zones to keep Saddam from terrorizing his own people, and in the last year alone the Iraqi military has fired upon American and British pilots more than 750 times.

    After 11 years during which we've tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon.

    Clearly, to actually work, any new inspections, sanctions or enforcement mechanisms will have to be very different. America wants the UN to be an effective organization that helps keep the peace. And that is why we are urging the Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough, immediate requirements.

    Among those requirements the Iraqi regime must reveal and destroy, under UN supervision, all existing weapons of mass destruction. To ensure that we learn the truth, the regime must allow witnesses to its illegal activities to be interviewed outside the country. And these witnesses must be free to bring their families with them, so they are all beyond the reach of Saddam Hussein's terror and murder.

    And inspectors must have access to any site, at any time without pre-clearance, without delay, without exceptions.

    The time of denying, deceiving and delaying has come to an end. Saddam Hussein must disarm himself, or, for the sake of peace, we will lead a coalition to disarm him.

    Many nations are joining us and insisting that Saddam Hussein's regime be held accountable. They are committed to defending the international security that protects the lives of both our citizens and theirs.




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    And that's why America is challenging all nations to take the resolutions of the UN Security Council seriously. These resolutions are very clear. In addition to declaring and destroying all of its weapons of mass destruction, Iraq must end its support for terrorism. It must cease the persecution of its civilian population. It must stop all illicit trade outside the oil-for-food program. It must release or account for all Gulf War personnel, including an American pilot whose fate is still unknown.

    By taking these steps and by only taking these steps, the Iraqi regime has an opportunity to avoid conflict.

    These steps would also change the nature of the Iraqi regime itself. America hopes the regime will make that choice. Unfortunately, at least so far, we have little reason to expect it. And that's why two administrations - mine and President Clinton's - have stated that regime change in Iraq is the only certain means of removing a great danger to our nation.

    I hope this will not require military action, but it may. And military conflict could be difficult. An Iraqi regime faced with its own demise may attempt cruel and desperate measures. If Saddam Hussein orders such measures, his generals would be well advised to refuse those orders. If they do not refuse, they must understand that all war criminals will be pursued and punished.

    If we have to act, we will take every precaution that is possible. We will plan carefully. We will act with the full power of the United States military. We will act with allies at our side and we will prevail.

    There is no easy or risk-free course of action. Some have argued we should wait, and that's an option. In my view, it's the riskiest of all options, because the longer we wait, the stronger and bolder Saddam Hussein will become. We could wait and hope that Saddam does not give weapons to terrorists or develop a nuclear weapon to blackmail the world. But I'm convinced that is a hope against all evidence.

    As Americans, we want peace. We work and sacrifice for peace. But there can be no peace if our security depends on the will and whims of a ruthless and aggressive dictator. I'm not willing to stake one American life on trusting Saddam Hussein.

    Failure to act would embolden other tyrants, allow terrorists access to new weapons and new resources, and make blackmail a permanent feature of world events.

    The United Nations would betray the purpose of its founding and prove irrelevant to the problems of our time. And through its inaction, the United States would resign itself to a future of fear.

    That is not the America I know. That is not the America I serve. We refuse to live in fear.

    This nation, in world war and in cold war, has never permitted the brutal and lawless to set history's course. Now, as before, we will secure our nation, protect our freedom and help others to find freedom of their own.

    Some worry that a change of leadership in Iraq could create instability and make the situation worse. The situation could hardly get worse for world security and for the people of Iraq.

    The lives of Iraqi citizens would improve dramatically if Saddam Hussein were no longer in power, just as the lives of Afghanistan's citizens improved after the Taliban.

    The dictator of Iraq is a student of Stalin, using murder as a tool of terror and control, within his own cabinet, within his own army and even within his own family.

    On Saddam Hussein's orders, opponents had been decapitated, wives and mothers of political opponents had been systematically raped as a method of intimidation, and political prisoners had been forced to watch their own children being tortured.

    America believes that all people are entitled to hope and human rights, to the nonnegotiable demands of human dignity.

    People everywhere prefer freedom to slavery, prosperity to squalor, self-government to the rule of terror and torture.

    America is a friend to the people of Iraq. Our demands are directed only at the regime that enslaves them and threatens us. When these demands are met, the first and greatest benefit will come to Iraqi men, women and children. The oppression of Kurds, Assyrians, Turkomen, Shia, Sunnis and others will be lifted, the long captivity of Iraq will end, and an era of new hope will begin.

    Iraq is a land rich in culture and resources and talent. Freed from the weight of oppression, Iraq's people will be able to share in the progress and prosperity of our time.

    If military action is necessary, the United States and our allies will help the Iraqi people rebuild their economy and create the institutions of liberty in a unified Iraq, at peace with its neighbors.

    Later this week, the United States Congress will vote on this matter. I have asked Congress to authorize the use of America's military if it proves necessary to enforce UN Security Council demands.

    Approving this resolution does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable. The resolution will tell the United Nations, and all nations, that America speaks with one voice and it is determined to make the demands of the civilized world mean something.

    Congress will also be sending a message to the dictator in Iraq that his only chance - his only choice is full compliance, and the time remaining for that choice is limited.

    Members of Congress are nearing an historic vote. I'm confident they will fully consider the facts and their duties.

    The attacks of September 11 showed our country that vast oceans no longer protect us from danger. Before that tragic date, we had only hints of al-Qaida's plans and designs. Today, in Iraq, we see a threat whose outlines are far more clearly defined and whose consequences could be far more deadly.

    Saddam Hussein's actions have put us on notice, and there's no refuge from our responsibilities.

    We did not ask for this present challenge, but we accept it. Like other generations of Americans, we will meet the responsibility of defending human liberty against violence and aggression. By our resolve, we will give strength to others. By our courage, we will give hope to others. And by our actions, we will secure the peace and lead the world to a better day.


    May God bless America.
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    The color thing was a joke. :D

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    LOL, I've posted that speech a time or two myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bairdi
    The color thing was a joke. :D
    I am glad the color thing was a joke :eek: because as much as you detest the President, I know you are capable of seeing some of the comments as being truthful. JFK's comments are not terribly hard to research :D

    Seriously though, I do not have time at the moment to pick this speech apart right now, but I am glad you posted it and I will go through it and see where I can find the President out right lieing. I don't mind calling a spade a spade, just hate when people call everything a spade.

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