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    The Few, The Proud, The Seriously Disturbed

    U.S. forces abuse and torture female detainees in Iraq

    Iraqi female detainees have been raped and sexually abused by U.S. occupation forces.

    Iraqi female detainees say that they have been illegally detained, raped and sexually humiliated by U.S. occupation forces.

    One female detainee, who identified herself as “Noor”, said that U.S. soldiers at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib raped women and, in many occasions, forced them to strip naked in public. She also said that many female detainees got pregnant.

    The classified investigation launched by the U.S. army, led by Major General Antonio Taguba, confirmed Noor’s account and said that U.S. guards sexually abused female detainees at Abu Ghraib.

    According to Taguba’s report, the 1,800 abuse photographs shot by U.S. guards inside Abu Ghraib included images of naked male and female prisoners, a male Military Police guard “having sex” with a female detainee, and naked male and female detainees forcibly arranged in various sexually explicit positions for photographing.

    The Bush administration, which insists that these were the acts of a few soldiers, blocked the release of photographs of Iraqi women detainees at Abu Ghraib, including those of women forced to bare their breasts, although these have been shown to Congress.

    However, Taguba’s fifty-three-page report, found that between October and December of 2003 there were numerous instances of “sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses” at Abu Ghraib”.

    Also, a British MP, Ann Clwyd, confirmed a report that an Iraqi woman in her 70s had been harnessed and ridden like a donkey at Abu Ghraib after being captured last July. Clwyd said: “She was held for about six weeks without charge. During that time she was insulted and told she was a donkey.”

    Moreover, the Italian reporter, Giuliana Sgrena, who was held hostage in Iraq, reported that in one incident, U.S. occupation forces raided the home of Mithal al Hassan, and arrested both her husband and son.

    “The soldiers later ransacked the apartment. Denounced as part of a vendetta, Mithal was condemned without trial to eighty days of horror in the company of other women prisoners who, like her, were subjected to abuse and torture. She has since spotted her tormentors on the internet.”

    Other reports state the U.S. forces violate international laws by kidnapping Iraqi women to use them as a bargaining chip to persuade their male relatives to surrender.

    Iman Khamas, chief of the International Occupation Watch Center, a nongovernmental organization that gathers information on human rights abuses under occupation, said that “one former detainee had recounted the alleged rape of her cell mate in Abu Ghraib.”

    According to Khamas, the detainee said that “She had been raped 17 times in one day”.

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    Al Jazeera...Now THERE'S a nuetral and detatched source of news and information that we can all rely on...

    (sarcasm off)

    Iraqi female detainees are claiming they were raped. Well, whatever makes our troops look bad MUST be taken on on face value without having the credibility of the information and or its source ever questioned right?

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    well let's see,logic says the bulk of "volunteer" enlistees is made up of college graduates of upper class respectable familys with good character and good moral principles that would die rather then commit easy nooky!!especially when the offended partys were only to willing to surrender rather then die.(they are used to that you see).sorta like a confession RECANT after the PRESSURE is off!?but hey!!your a front line soldier of duty!? so i guess we just have ta take your word as truth!? :eek: :p :rolleyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samael
    Al Jazeera...Now THERE'S a nuetral and detatched source of news and information that we can all rely on...


    Perhaps you would prefer an American article on it instead?

    http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

    Does that now lend it more credibility? :)

    Or maybe this one: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/torture_pow.html

    offence "K" in particular.

    I think there might be exaggeration in this report, but the question remains, HOW MUCH exaggeration is there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samael
    Al Jazeera...Now THERE'S a nuetral and detatched source of news and information that we can all rely on...
    Am I incorrect or is Al Jazeera not a well respected news organization in that area of the world?

    Perhaps those news stories the U.S. has decided to start planting all over Iraq would better serve your views and desires.
    Last edited by idshadow; 12-03-2005 at 06:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idshadow
    Am I incorrect or is Al Jazeera not a well respected news organization in that area of the world?
    Here's a hint: The Bush Crime Gang tried to murder Al Jazeera reporters in cold blood by bombing their offices. That's good enough for me.

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    Al Jazeera: let everyone decide for theirself, individually, as it should be:

    What do you make of a "news" organization that broadcasts beheadings
    of unfortunate, helpless human beings, for all the world to see. Also, broad-
    cast messages from terrorists, such as Ben Laudin (Sp?) in its' entire
    content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coontie
    Al Jazeera: let everyone decide for theirself, individually, as it should be:

    What do you make of a "news" organization that broadcasts beheadings
    of unfortunate, helpless human beings, for all the world to see. Also, broad-
    cast messages from terrorists, such as Ben Laudin (Sp?) in its' entire
    content.
    I'm not sure what your stand on Al Jazeera is.

    But I'd rather read things from a news organization that shows things the way they are rather than some U.S. government controlled media who would paint a rosy picture of things that are going on and not even let people know the kind of gruesome things they are causing to happen by endorsing this war.

    Thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idshadow
    I'm not sure what your stand on Al Jazeera is.

    But I'd rather read things from a news organization that shows things the way they are rather than some U.S. government controlled media who would paint a rosy picture of things that are going on and not even let people know the kind of gruesome things they are causing to happen by endorsing this war.

    Thank you very much.
    Respectfully: if you read the post of my OPINIONS correctly and don't take
    things out of context I believe that I leave nothing to the imagination or
    misunderstanding of MY TAKE (read opinion) of Al Jeezera. This is based
    upon what I have heard over our news media - our only sources of
    information about the events of the world. If you will read on and quote
    properly you wil also see (as you have) that I specifically indicated
    two of our news sources that I suspect are biased for a certain "party
    line." Hey... haven't you guessed by now, don't you get it? Political
    offices, positions are powerful and mean big busks. Plain and simple.
    Many of them will say and do anything, at any cost. Got it?
    I really don't trust any news media source as THEY are designed,
    other than often expressing party affiliations of the owners, for
    commerce, big business. Making as much money as they can. They
    are not really interested in being our factual, reliable news source -
    just fodder for the masses that will attract us to watch their mostly
    drivel so they can tout their sponsor products before us and get paid for
    it. That's their true agenda. After all, in this country, capitalism if the
    true religion and takes precedence over any other consideration - often
    even human life!
    I of course and not one of the "kept sheep" of this nation, or at least
    try to be mindful not to be. That is why I spend time reading post on
    scam.com and accept and realize to each their own, even the radicals and seeming nut-cases. In any event, it is a different slant, from mostly the
    "grass roots" people of our society. I would sometime though suspect
    that there are those of whatever offices, interest and other than our
    brainwashed, party line brothers and sisters that are out here trolling and
    publicizing their desired agenda tidbits on here as well.
    I don't blindly trust our government; none in office and authority,
    Republican or Democrat or whatever "attractive" wrappers they put theirself
    in to attempt to dumb down and contain the populace.
    In any event, we as a nation have our shoert-comings and problems, but
    we as a majority neither tolerate or condone such as has been suggested
    in this article.
    Al Jeezera's position is that we are otherwise. Again: who, what faction
    does Al Jeezera really repersent?
    Got it? :cool:

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    Coontie...you say you have no party affiliation according to your statements...I bet you "wrap" yourself in the Liberatarian party. As far as dchristie...you are plain and simple a Bush hater. You would not care what is happening in the world ...you just hate Bush, period. You comments are just ramblings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by On A Mission
    Coontie...you say you have no party affiliation according to your statements...I bet you "wrap" yourself in the Liberatarian party. As far as dchristie...you are plain and simple a Bush hater. You would not care what is happening in the world ...you just hate Bush, period. You comments are just ramblings.

    I "wrap myself in NO party". Through the years I have voted in virtually
    every election and have, as the expression is implied "crossed party lines",
    really earnestly trying to consider the individual and what has been said.
    And I am not dumb nor nieve - I think, for the most part in approaching
    the matter this way, because otherwise what do we have left? I think
    if more people did this than this pollers would be kept off balance and
    neither party could feel confident,until the results was in, how the people
    really feel. As it is, one is asked to indicate party affiliation on
    applications for voter regristration, etc. I always refuse to list a
    party preference.
    I think they; the candidates could often be taken, as a comparasion
    like a delicious looking cake with beautiful icing and decorations. but one
    finds when they cut into it and try to eat it that it is a very sorry mess.
    This only becomes apparent, most often, after they have control of the
    office and cabinet. Then, obviously, it is too late. Yeah, impeach them!
    That is a national embarrasment I think. I have hired employees, as a
    manager and have tried to do this consciously, carefully. As, I think
    I would rather try very hard up fron to interview and choose, rather than
    to hire someone that turns out to be a loser, or worse...
    Also, have you noticed? I've mentioned the Electorial College before.
    If anyone looks at this 'arrangement' it is very easy to see it for what
    it really is; in my opinion a very handy and convienent device to rig
    and highjack elections. How close did you follow the disgusting
    development of events in the Florida elections? Especially the
    "recount" fiasco" where those jerks sat hunched over in their chairs,
    slouched down, turning the punch cards in their hand and appearing
    to be earnestly eye-balling them. If anyone ever really wanted
    a good example of what fiasco and manipulating means, this was a
    very good example. these are also people they are supposedly in
    positions of importance in government. College graduates; that is
    SUPPOSED to imply that these individuals are a cut above average
    in their intelligence and professional bearing. And all they can do
    is present a 'dog & pony' show and expect the public to accept it.
    But do you know what their private attitudes is, to the public// -
    'What are you going to do about it.' After all, don't you dummies get
    it, this is really just an exercise. We already have it planned how we
    are going to get our man into office, whether you like it or not!
    Are you aware that John Kerry won the popular vote in the last election
    but the electorial gave it to Bush? And how closely did you follow the
    fiasco?
    No, for my part, seriously, soberly, I have though on several occasions,
    leave the incumbent president in office, forget about voting for 'WHAT
    IS' being offered; got it? as in candidates. Tell them to groom and
    produce some other people. Allow the established government to
    remain status quo. If the President if definetly unfit, tainted, such as
    Nixon, get him out of there and let the V.P. or S.O.S run the show.
    I might point out as well an interesting present development in the Bush
    regime occupation of office: 1)how many times has President Bush exercised
    his veto power/ Also, 2)what is the record for Republicans opposing each
    other in their voting on national issues? I know the answer to #1 is none.
    I don't know what it is for #2, although I suspect the answer is very
    obvious.
    I have considered the Libertarian Party, that is mostly from the standpoint
    of listening, but certainly not being encouraged or enticed into voting
    for any of those candidates.
    However, what would really do our nation good and would break up this
    tidy little game they have of election rigging is to have at least another,
    if not several political parties
    Excuse the rant... but I really wanted to clear up your impression that
    I am inclined to Libertarian. If you don't get it now, cannot help
    you! :D :cool: ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by coontie
    Are you aware that John Kerry won the popular vote in the last election
    but the electorial gave it to Bush? And how closely did you follow the
    fiasco?
    You must be a few years behind times.

    George W Bush received 62,040,610 popular votes
    John F Kerry received 59,028,111 popular votes

    Basic comparison skills will allow you to see the truth in these numbers and the false claim you make about Kerry receiving the majority of the popular vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie
    I might point out as well an interesting present development in the Bush
    regime occupation of office: 1)how many times has President Bush exercised
    his veto power/ Also, 2)what is the record for Republicans opposing each
    other in their voting on national issues? I know the answer to #1 is none.
    I don't know what it is for #2, although I suspect the answer is very
    obvious.
    A presidential Veto is not always needed to force Congress to make changes to proposed legislation. According to the Office of Management and Budget figures, Bush has threatened to veto 40 bills, since taking office in 2001. So far the threat of a veto has been enough to achieve Bush’s political goals.

    As for the question of what is the record of Republicans opposing each other, it would be niave to think anything happens in either party without opposition among its ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by On A Mission
    Coontie...you say you have no party affiliation according to your statements...I bet you "wrap" yourself in the Liberatarian party. As far as dchristie...you are plain and simple a Bush hater. You would not care what is happening in the world ...you just hate Bush, period. You comments are just ramblings.
    I think more people are awakening to the "real" Bush. It isn't hard to see what is going on, there is plenty of other countries that report on the Bush movements. Do stupid things, expect critical backlash. Maybe if you take your head out of your rectum you will see the events going on around you.

    Bush is supposed to be representing the people of America and he isn't living up to the standards that Americans want out of a leader, nevermind his sidekicks. When people from other countries look at Bush and think in their minds; Americans are like that ? hahaha. No wonder many here cringe. It's a wonder that the donkey isn't his mascot cause he ain't no eagle.

    How about Patriotism ? how is a leader truly patriotic when they are acting for their own selfish gains and returning favors for their "buddies" ? how is that acting for the benefit of the nation ? There are a lot of people here that love their country and just because they may question or ridicule the leadership (doesn't matter who it is) that doesn't make them un-patriotic. I don't care what leader it is. If they are doing harm to the country or allowing things to go on that aren't benefitting the people as a nation, the leader as well as the government deserve scorn. Right now it's Bush, who will be next ?

    Some people will say to support the leader no matter what, but I think more people are thinking for themselves and are not following blindly. To deny that thinking would totally go against what America stands for. To each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RegulationE
    You must be a few years behind times.

    George W Bush received 62,040,610 popular votes
    John F Kerry received 59,028,111 popular votes

    Basic comparison skills will allow you to see the truth in these numbers and the false claim you make about Kerry receiving the majority of the popular vote.

    ///Please provide me with a relaible source for these figures that you
    present.///


    A presidential Veto is not always needed to force Congress to make changes to proposed legislation. According to the Office of Management and Budget figures, Bush has threatened to veto 40 bills, since taking office in 2001. So far the threat of a veto has been enough to achieve Bush’s political goals.

    /// yes.. just threats... no action. What were the 40 Bills at issue and
    whom was Bush, seeking to appear, to oppose? He "threatened" to
    veto, BUT HE HAS NEVER VETOED. I think it is obvious why?///


    As for the question of what is the record of Republicans opposing each other, it would be niave to think anything happens in either party without opposition among its ranks.
    /// again, please provide with some reliable, factual examples, from the
    official records. Reliable sources, at least.///

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    Quote Originally Posted by coontie
    /// again, please provide with some reliable, factual examples, from the
    official records. Reliable sources, at least.///
    As offical as you can get

    I am sure you are looking for something that disagrees with the fact that John Kerry lost the popular vote, but unless you are a conspiracy theorist, it will not be found. Bush received 52% of the votes in the 2004 election and, by simple number of votes, more then any other candidate in history.

    If you want a list of bills Bush threatened to Veto, do a google search, not hard to find them. What bills do you think should have received a Presidential Veto that where passed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RegulationE
    As offical as you can get

    I am sure you are looking for something that disagrees with the fact that John Kerry lost the popular vote, but unless you are a conspiracy theorist, it will not be found. Bush received 52% of the votes in the 2004 election and, by simple number of votes, more then any other candidate in history.

    If you want a list of bills Bush threatened to Veto, do a google search, not hard to find them. What bills do you think should have received a Presidential Veto that where passed?
    you sure are an artist at the "dodge". WHen are you going to have something
    original, something of your own to say?
    More repug-think?
    Of course! :eek: :cool:

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