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    TOOKIES Gotta Go

    To Rehabilitate a Man, Sentence Him to Death
    by Mac Johnson
    Posted Nov 28, 2005


    California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has announced that he would consider granting clemency to Stanley “Tookie” Williams, a murdering gang member sentenced to death for his part in four killings committed during two separate armed robberies.

    Of course, Tookie probably killed a lot more people than that. I say this not just because it is a strong statistical probability, given Tookie’s youthful pattern of behavior (i.e. shooting folks), but because Tookie is one of the two founding fathers of the “Crips” drug gang, which along with the “Bloods” turned Los Angeles into a war zone during the Crack epidemic of the 1980s.

    Even today, decades after Tookie was taken away from his illegitimate brainchild, his creation continues to murder, rob, rape, steal, extort, assault and maim. And, as is true of any other gangster, Tookie is responsible for the crimes of his underlings just as assuredly as he is for his own. So why is anyone campaigning for clemency?

    Well, because Tookie is good people now. You see, Bad Tookie, the one who killed people and started a nationwide gang of drug-pushing thugs, no longer exists. Now there is only Good Tookie. Good Tookie writes children’s books and believes that killing people is just plain wrong. These philosophical accomplishments have so impressed some that Tookie was once nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, the credibility and stature of which grows with every new round of nominations.

    Good Tookie made his first appearance in prison and is the result of a remarkable personal rehabilitation. This rehabilitation did not happen overnight. At first Tookie couldn’t care less about his sins and victims (all of whom remain dead, I’m told), but as the appeals process became increasingly exhausted, he increasingly saw the error of his ways. If only California would apply its death penalty more swiftly, we might have known Good Tookie sooner. But since a drug dealer on death row has a longer average lifespan than one still on the street, the emergence of this peace-loving butterfly understandably took some time.

    Tookie, both Bad and Good, had his days in court, where not even the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals could find substantive fault with his convictions, which is remarkable in itself. And now his execution finally looms, set optimistically for December 13. But Tookie did win one appeal--his appeal to the Court of Liberal America, centered in Hollywood, Calif.

    There, Tookie’s the poster child of … well, where to begin? He seems to be the living symbol of redemption, prison education, poverty, black victimhood, institutional racism, youth outreach, death penalty abolition, and denim-clad prison philiospher-gurus. He’s had a movie made about him, Redemption, starring Jamie Foxx. Danny Glover and Snoop Dog are firmly on his side. Anti-American international human rights crusaders and their domestic enablers see him as a Jesus figure, except they like him. The Nobel committee was obviously impressed. And it is probably just a matter of time before he is legally adopted by Angelina Jolie. All in all, the transformation of Tookie is a fine example of the unheralded power of the death penalty to rehabilitate.

    Tookie is not alone however. Dozens of cold-blooded killers have become writers, poets, lawyers, evangelical preachers, youth ministers, civil rights crusaders, animal lovers and professionally contrite appellants while awaiting execution.

    Consider Karla Faye Tucker. She was the first woman executed in Texas since the Civil War. I know she filled this important first for women because the media invariably affixed that fact to her as though it were part of a hyphenated surname: Karla Faye Tucker became the first woman executed in Texas since the Civil War on Tuesday … the first state-sponsored killing of a woman in Texas since the American Civil War … clearing the way for her to become the first woman to be executed in Texas since the Civil War … Tucker, the first woman executed in Texas since the Civil War.

    In addition to being a pioneer for post-bellum feminism, Karla Faye was a “born-again” Christian. This was the only fact the media seemed to be more enamored with than her place in the history of the criminal women’s movement. Evangelical Christianity would have disqualified her from holding high office in their eyes, but they believed it made her a more pitiable gurney jockey, so they ran with it. Her conversion occurred on death row, of course.

    Before her rehabilitation, she killed a man and a woman with an ice axe while robbing them for drug money. She straddled the victims as she repeatedly plunged the pick into their begging bodies, and afterwards she bragged that their panicked death throes had caused her to orgasm as she killed them.

    But then Karla Faye found Jesus somewhere in the appeals process and decided that it had all been wrong. Indeed, she felt so bad about it, that she married her prison minister. The same sociopath who had felt so very good in such a very intimate way about killing people with her own hands (and they remain dead, I’m told), was later helped to rediscover Jesus Christ, conversational politeness, and girlish hair bows by that miracle of the justice system: impending death.

    One could fill a thick book with the stories of other such soulless human hazards that have been turned into pleasant community-minded people by some quiet time with their own scheduled mortality.

    Can we ever afford to lose this, perhaps the greatest, force for rehabilitation in our justice system?

    If you believe in rehabilitation, how can you not believe in the death penalty? Nothing seems to trigger complete rehabilitation more surely than a death sentence. I am all for such rehabilitation. Let’s rehabilitate all child killers. Let’s rehabilitate most murderers of adults. Let’s rehabilitate all the poor misguided souls at Guantanamo. Heck, let’s rehabilitate a few email spammers while we’re at it.

    But let’s rehabilitate them all a little faster than we have in the past. Why deny the rehabilitated the joy of understanding the value of decent human life one more day than is necessary?

    Good Tookie has said he wants to serve as an example for America’s troubled youth. On December 13, perhaps he finally will. And then maybe they can work on their rehabilitations while such things still matter.

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    Let them out and allow the public to be at their mercy once they're back
    on the street? I think their 'rehabbed' ways would take a serious turn for
    the _____.. (fill in the blank) ;)

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    Pwrone,

    Once again, I do not understand the post. What is your personal beef with the clemency hearing for Mr. Williams? And you do you have a link for Mac Johnson's Webblog or article?

    DeeDee1965

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    My personal beef is that, of all the scumbag murderers on death row, this guy should be among the last to be reviewed. The hollywood elite--these sickening soulless creatures--have 'adopted' this guy for reasons that when added up, would(make that 'should') make you physically ill. How far down the road must one be when this particular scumbag is first on any list(besides the one he deserves). He has been nominated by these same sick creatures for a NOBEL PRIZE.

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    Pwrone,

    If someone is on death row, aren't they all, by definition "scumbags?" What difference does it make in what order someone gets a clemency hearing?

    If the Hollywood crowd are trying to save someone, who is scheduled to die in two weeks. If the California Govenor does not grant clemency Mr. willimas dies. If the Govenor does grant clemency Mr. Williams stays in jail for the rest of his life. What is wrong with that? He will not be out on the streets.

    DeeDee1965

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    Hey Pwrone... good to have you back.

    It's my understanding that when a Gov. decides to commute a death sentence he does so based upon the trial trans-scripts, evidence produced, etal... That personal opinions do not come into play. If Tookie's sentence is commuted then Arnold will have to justify his action to the voting public of California.
    So... Tookie's 'found Jesus"... that's great! They'll have a lot to talk about then when they meet in a couple of weeks.

    cheers,
    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    My personal beef is that, of all the scumbag murderers on death row, this guy should be among the last to be reviewed. The hollywood elite--these sickening soulless creatures--have 'adopted' this guy for reasons that when added up, would(make that 'should') make you physically ill. How far down the road must one be when this particular scumbag is first on any list(besides the one he deserves). He has been nominated by these same sick creatures for a NOBEL PRIZE.

    yeah, I say that profanes the Nobel Peace Prize. Indicates where our
    society MAY be going with things, unless we that have had enough out
    of these cruddy hoodlums and criminals take a stand against the
    attitude: oh, it wasn't me, any of my family or friends, that was murdered
    out in society, then rape and abuse of other prisoners and nonconformity
    to prison rules, once inside the penetentiary; why should we care?
    Only turns to writing "children's books" and taking a softer gentler stance
    in the ninth hour, when he realizes his execution date is drawing ever
    nearer.
    I haven't heard much from any of this people, that allow theirself to be
    manipulated by such ploys, in regard to rememberance of the terror,
    pain and suffering and final death of victims, and their survivors. He
    has had a continuation of life. His victims lives was summarily terminated
    when he murdered them.
    And the lives of the survivors; mothers, fathers, children, friends, has been
    forever altered, for the remainder of their lives. Who remembers them and
    feels comapssion and sorrow for their plight?
    Commuted to prison, for life as a "just" sentence. Hah!, there are those
    that would have him walk and not think anything out of it.
    These people want to be hoodlums and murders out in society, blaming
    everyone and everything else beside theirself for the predicament they've
    gotten theirself into; refuse to ultimately take responsibility. Then, oh,
    how about clemency to life in prison, maybe so I can work on more
    appeals to get out of here , PERIOD. In the meantime, the public who
    pay the taxes to build the prison, buy their food, clothing, other personal
    supplies, pay for prison overhead including guards salaries, is expected
    to "keep" them for the rest of their natural born life.
    Most refuse to work to earn their keep and customarily do whatever they
    can day in and day out to muck up the system and be nocooperative in
    as many ways as possible.
    My suggestion to people that DON'T want to find theirself in this
    predicament? Abide by the law, especially DO NOT COMMIT MURDER OR
    RAPE or other major felonies. ANyone can very easily and irresponsibly
    blame society and other circumstances for making them do what they
    did, but in the end, even they know whose to blame.
    And someone asked: allow prisoners to get on the internet??? Talk about
    opening a Pandora's box of unbelievable vexation and horrendous problems
    for society. No way... Can you imagine what the public would be paying
    for additionally? The PORN sites would have a field day and SCAMS and
    identity theft would go out of sight!
    Yeeeech! :eek:
    Last edited by coontie; 11-29-2005 at 08:12 PM. Reason: spell, words

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    Quote Originally Posted by coontie
    yeah, I say that profanes the Nobel Peace Prize. Indicates where our
    society MAY be going with things, unless we that have had enough out
    of these cruddy hoodlums and criminals take a stand against the
    attitude: oh, it wasn't me, any of my family or friends, that was murdered
    out in society, then rape and abuse of other prisoners and nonconformity
    to prison rules, once inside the penetentiary; why should we care?
    Only turns to writing "children's books" and taking a softer gentler stance
    in the ninth hour, when he realizes his execution date is drawing ever
    nearer.
    I haven't heard much from any of this people, that allow theirself to be
    manipulated by such ploys, in regard to rememberance of the terror,
    pain and suffering and final death of victims, and their survivors. He
    has had a continuation of life. His victims lives was summarily terminated
    when he murdered them.
    And the lives of the survivors; mothers, fathers, children, friends, has been
    forever altered, for the remainder of their lives. Who remembers them and
    feels comapssion and sorrow for their plight?
    Commuted to prison, for life as a "just" sentence. Hah!, there are those
    that would have him walk and not think anything out of it.
    These people want to be hoodlums and murders out in society, blaming
    everyone and everything else beside theirself for the predicament they've
    gotten theirself into; refuse to ultimately take responsibility. Then, oh,
    how about clemency to life in prison, maybe so I can work on more
    appeals to get out of here , PERIOD. In the meantime, the public who
    pay the taxes to build the prison, buy their food, clothing, other personal
    supplies, pay for prison overhead including guards salaries, is expected
    to "keep" them for the rest of their natural born life.
    Most refuse to work to earn their keep and customarily do whatever they
    can day in and day out to muck up the system and be nocooperative in
    as many ways as possible.
    My suggestion to people that DON'T want to find theirself in this
    predicament? Abide by the law, especially DO NOT COMMIT MURDER OR
    RAPE or other major felonies. ANyone can very easily and irresponsibly
    blame society and other circumstances for making them do what they
    did, but in the end, even they know whose to blame.
    And someone asked: allow prisoners to get on the internet??? Talk about
    opening a Pandora's box of unbelievable vexation and horrendous problems
    for society. No way... Can you imagine what the public would be paying
    for additionally? The PORN sites would have a field day and SCAMS and
    identity theft would go out of sight!
    Yeeeech! :eek:

    that's a great personal opinion!!why!! h e l l if i know!!(clue)!!abide by the law!?without support and help!?yer jokin right!?of course!!you had support and help!!how fortunate for you!!stay "good" now!!ya never know when you will be "left behind"!!god forbid!!LIVE IN THAT FEAR!!it's the new 'healthy' way of the "right" ya know!!CARRY ON SOLDIER!! :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

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    sounds like you may be an "ex?-con, perhaps? IS that NOT what's tickling yer
    fancy litle man? :eek:

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    Quote Originally Posted by coontie
    sounds like you may be an "ex?-con, perhaps? IS that NOT what's tickling yer
    fancy litle man? :eek:
    not a bad fiery dart!!but ya missed the mark as usual!!fear of prison is your motivation for appearin ta be good!?what a faker!!what a scam!! but to stay on topic..........lets see ahhnode is a repug.POO dislikes ahhnodes idea of clemency,flip flop flim flam wham bam thank you mam!!i'm a rapper!!buy the clapper!!america rocks!!like alcatraz!!:eek: :rolleyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    not a bad fiery dart!!but ya missed the mark as usual!!fear of prison is your motivation for appearin ta be good!?what a faker!!what a scam!! but to stay on topic..........lets see ahhnode is a repug.POO dislikes ahhnodes idea of clemency,flip flop flim flam wham bam thank you mam!!i'm a rapper!!buy the clapper!!america rocks!!like alcatraz!!:eek: :rolleyes:
    in case it escaped you attention (obviously) Alcatraz was decommisioned
    at least ten years ago and given over to the American Indians - that it
    originally belonged to anyway, as well as all this other real estate we
    anglo-saxons and other races are occupying now.
    Talk about some people, as a broken nation, that have a right to complain
    and protest, especially in light of broken treaties and promises our govern-
    ment made 'with them.'
    (Deviating as usual) Anyway, Alcatraz is now (has been) a State Park.
    Some 'experts' have taken another good look at the facility and
    noted so many security flaws that they wonder why there wasn't more
    people that escaped from there.
    "My fear of prison" being a deterent for me to not commit acts to
    wind up there? Not hardlly. I have more going for me than that...
    How about you, are you and ex-Con, or jailbird? Is that you reason for
    projecting such on to others?
    Get back to playing with your Ex-Box!
    Last edited by coontie; 12-05-2005 at 12:48 AM. Reason: spell

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    I hope some people will speak for the 4 dead that this animal shot. needle is too good for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscam288
    I hope some people will speak for the 4 dead that this animal shot. needle is too good for him.
    We always cry for justice against others when they do wrong, but when it is ourselves, we pray the wheels of justice turn slowly. I believe we should look to Christ on this matter, and try to best understand what to do through him.

    I understand the purpose for execution, but... it just doesn't seem right. Can crime not also be deterred by a harsh life sentence?

    I won't claim to know what's best in the situation. All I can say is just trust and obey God, which I seriously doubt Schwarzennegger knows how to do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    My personal beef is that, of all the scumbag murderers on death row, this guy should be among the last to be reviewed. The hollywood elite--these sickening soulless creatures--have 'adopted' this guy for reasons that when added up, would(make that 'should') make you physically ill. How far down the road must one be when this particular scumbag is first on any list(besides the one he deserves). He has been nominated by these same sick creatures for a NOBEL PRIZE.
    What is most disturbing about you is not the point you make, but the level of anger and hatred in it.

    - Ronald

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald
    What is most disturbing about you is not the point you make, but the level of anger and hatred in it.

    - Ronald
    That seems to be a problem of his, Ronald. It's what turns most people off to his messages too. He's a dark, dark soul. Rather than attract other's to his way of thinking he repels anyone with any kind of sense at all. Debating people of this ilk tends to make one feel dirty down to the soul, a filth that won't come off no matter how hard you scrub.

    Namaste'

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    Is it like automatically taking the most abhorrent, indefensible moral position in any debate, always?

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