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    Should prisoners have Internet access?

    I definitely say no to prisoners having Internet access.

    There are lots of people abiding the law without Internet access. Prisoners are inside to be punished, not to enjoy themselves. Tax money can be better spent than letting prisoners contact their criminal buddies outside and indulge in some porn and online games etc...

    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...internet_x.htm
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    I think that the internet acess in prisons isn't for their enjoyment, but so that they can better themselves and actually have a contributing life when they get out of prison. If this isn't what its for, then I'd have to say that's all it should be for.

    People need to be productive and prosperus in order not to be criminals, in my opinion. There are many programs in prisons that promote this, and that is a GOOD thing. They have to do something when they get out. You can't throw everyone away and toss the key.

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    They can use it to educate themselves etc., but all their activities should be monitored or limited to ensure that they only use it to better themselves. A lot of criminals still control their empire from inside jail, so they must ensure that Internet access is not used to cause more crimes on the outside bmo crime bosses giving instructions to their buddies on the outside.

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    I don't see how you can control people on the outside doing what people on the inside tell them to, unless its something illegal and you have proof. People have free will and the freedom of speech whether its always nice or not.

    Of course they should be monitored if they are allowed to use the internet in prison. They are being punished, after all, and shouldn't get the same liberties as the rest of us. It should be relatively easy to lock down the computer to only do what the controller specifies. There are plenty of softwares out there to accomplish this.

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    Some people are very easily controlled, either because they always do as they are told, they have blind trust in someone, or because they are duped in to it...scams.

    I don't think that they should have internet access. They can better themselves with books. If they need computer classes, the programs can be on disc, but internet access...no.

    As was already stated, they are there to be punished. Let's see, no bills to pay, free clothes, three squares a day, exercise time, full medical and dental, cable TV, internet access....dang, what am I doing wrong?? :D That sounds like the life to me!!!! (As compared to working my rear off to pay rent, untilities, phone, buy food, clothes, pay for my own education, and medical expenses etc...)

    Prisoners should just have to suck it up and use books, paper, and pens. :D

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    The prisons are not giving the inmates Internet. Friends or intermediaries seem to be doing that for them. I too don't see how they expect to monitor that, unless they just stop all letters, all visits everything. And somehow, I don't think anyone is going to go for that.

    Computers in the libraries in most prisons are very rigidly monitored and do not include Internet access.

    CountryMom, if prison was such a cake walk, they wouldn't house criminals. It's not the country club you describe. But if you really feel that way, I'm sure it can be arranged for you to live in one for a year or two. :) Just make sure it's a REAL prison, not minimum security.

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    In every cloud there is a silver lining. My cloud was to serve a very short sentence in prison, the silver lining was the insight that this gives me. (Yeah, I know the first question that flashed through your mind. I haven't gone into detail on why, but this is not because I am ashamed. I am actually very proud of that episode in my life.)
    Unfortuneately, I have difficulty in sharing the insight, because it seems that, like a lot of things, to really understand it, you have to do it
    Yes it is all those adjectives that you can think of: smelly, scary, unreal, boring, frustrating, etc. The over-riding emotion in the place is stupidity.
    Don't get me wrong, some can handle it, some even like it, but it is not something that I would ever risk for something as mundane as personal gain. I hated the total removal of everything that makes you, you. No choice is allowed.
    There was one television in Walton prison, in the reception cage, The TV had a cage all to itself. The only reason for its existence is to blur the edges a little. We were banged up, (locked in cells) for 23 hours per day, unless it rained, when it would be 24. No privacy. Two or three to a cell, (about 8' x 12') no toilet except a bucket in the corner. Your cell mates might be ok, might be nutters. No "tv in every cell", not even a radio. Certainly no cable. The food is *******. Full medical? It took me three days to get some tissues.
    I can understand peoples frustration with the idea of paying for criiminals to live in prisons, but believe me it is no picnic. Yet the majority of those released, go on to re-offend and find there way back inside. The question of why, is something that society should seriously address. You have to make your mind up if you want retribution or rehabilitation.
    The punishment also extends to the family of the prisoner. Internet access as part of education, or to help the prisoner maintain contact with his family, so as to be released into a stable home life must be beneficial to society.
    As to criminals continuing to run their criminal enterprise while serving a sentence, this is not new and preceded the existence of the internet. Letters are read and censored, so I would imagine that the internet access would be monitored. Everything else is. Criminals are hardly likely to commit themselves to a hard drive anymore than they did to paper and pen.
    Gordon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon
    In every cloud there is a silver lining. My cloud was to serve a very short sentence in prison, the silver lining was the insight that this gives me. (Yeah, I know the first question that flashed through your mind. I haven't gone into detail on why, but this is not because I am ashamed. I am actually very proud of that episode in my life.)
    Unfortuneately, I have difficulty in sharing the insight, because it seems that, like a lot of things, to really understand it, you have to do it
    Yes it is all those adjectives that you can think of: smelly, scary, unreal, boring, frustrating, etc. The over-riding emotion in the place is stupidity.
    Don't get me wrong, some can handle it, some even like it, but it is not something that I would ever risk for something as mundane as personal gain. I hated the total removal of everything that makes you, you. No choice is allowed.
    There was one television in Walton prison, in the reception cage, The TV had a cage all to itself. The only reason for its existence is to blur the edges a little. We were banged up, (locked in cells) for 23 hours per day, unless it rained, when it would be 24. No privacy. Two or three to a cell, (about 8' x 12') no toilet except a bucket in the corner. Your cell mates might be ok, might be nutters. No "tv in every cell", not even a radio. Certainly no cable. The food is *******. Full medical? It took me three days to get some tissues.
    I can understand peoples frustration with the idea of paying for criiminals to live in prisons, but believe me it is no picnic. Yet the majority of those released, go on to re-offend and find there way back inside. The question of why, is something that society should seriously address. You have to make your mind up if you want retribution or rehabilitation.
    The punishment also extends to the family of the prisoner. Internet access as part of education, or to help the prisoner maintain contact with his family, so as to be released into a stable home life must be beneficial to society.
    As to criminals continuing to run their criminal enterprise while serving a sentence, this is not new and preceded the existence of the internet. Letters are read and censored, so I would imagine that the internet access would be monitored. Everything else is. Criminals are hardly likely to commit themselves to a hard drive anymore than they did to paper and pen.
    Gordon.

    It's good to hear from someone else who has made their share of mistakes in life and has the experience to speak intelligently about it. I've found that although that many of the criminals in our justice system are what I would consider petty (pot smokers, petty thieves, car thieves, burglars, fraud committers, stolen goods salepeople, etc) if the crime they commit is a felony they are branded for the rest of their lives and have to suffer for it even after they have served their time.

    Now don't get me wrong. I don't say that no one is hurt by the crimes these people commit... but typically restitution is one of the punishments they have imposed and various other punishments are meted out based on the judge's decisions and the perpetrator's actions in meeting those requirements. Personally I've found that there are people in this world that will give you a chance if you've screwed up in the past and there are those who won't. But its tough even if you never do another thing wrong in your life. Every job app asks about past arrests now, and most do background checks. On one hand I suppose these people think they have the right to know what they're getting into, but unless the crime bars someone from the job sought couldn't it be considered discrimination not to consider them. I guess I'm just a whiner... as I have a feeling I probably will be called, but it seems counterproductive to keep people down that way.

    This has gotten really off topic. Internet acess should by no means be an inmate's right in prison. But if a program can be put into place to help someone who is incarcerated get skills that will allow them a decent life on the outside, they are that much less likely to commit a crime again.

    People will always commit crimes, but the way we deal with them after this has a great effect on if they go on to committ more. If you tell someone they aren't worth anything a lot of time they'll believe you.

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    Re: Should prisoners have Internet access?

    Prisoners should not be able to have internet access, as they are in prison and shouldnt be allowed such ameneties. When the average US citizen goes to the average hotel he must pay for the internet service, even though they are paying at least 80-100 dollars for the room. Millions of everyday joes are paying 25,50,100$ a month for internet acess, and prisoners are supposed to get it for free? funded by the government? when everyone else has to pay for it? not even going into the issue of monitoring and censoring their communications, but they just dont deserve or direly need to have it.

    it actually sounds so stupid that it might start to be the standard in this country. i wouldn be surprised to hear they actually would implement it to cut costs of physically searching peoples paper mail, or some other task that requires manpower and could easily be replace by a computer.

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    Re: Should prisoners have Internet access?

    In a few countries it seems that prisoners already have Internet access, and the UK is looking into it.

    It seems OK to give them access to prepare them for life after release, but my reason is that there are children and schools without Internet. I think these children must be given Internet to help prepare them for life after school, instead of prisoners.
    And as for the ...to be given unrestricted access to the internet for 'educational, resettlement, and recreational purposes'.

    Recreational purposes ???


    The following from this link: http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/1071

    A report published today calls for all prisoners to be given unrestricted access to the internet for 'educational, resettlement, and recreational purposes'.
    'Internet Inside', published by charity the Forum on Prisoner Education, says that giving prisoners access to the internet is essential if they are to be prepared for life after release, and will bring Britain into line with other European countries such as Hungary and Switzerland where prisoners have had access for four years. The charity also calls for prisoners to be given email.

    Speaking today, Steve Taylor, director of the Forum on Prisoner Education, said:

    "There really is something wrong with our prisons when countries such as Hungary, Greece and Russia provide internet access to prisoners but we do not. Government are being very slow to act on this issue and are in breach of Council of Europe recommendations. We hope that our Report will lead to swift action."

    The report gives the example of Switzerland, where prisoners undergo a short training course on acceptable use of the internet before being allowed access. If they break the rules, the internet access is taken away.

    "This hasn't led to a melt-down on the Swiss penal system," said Taylor. "What's very obvious from overseas is that when you give prisoners responsibility, they respect it and the vast majority act accordingly. Our prisons are built on foundations of mistrust, and that's one of the reasons our reconviction rates are so appallingly high."

    The Offenders' Learning & Skills Unit at the Department for Education & Skills is currently developing a strategy on internet access in prisons, which is expected to begin with a trial at Leyhill open prison in Gloucestershire later this year. This new report criticises that trial and recommends instead that the trial should take place in a high security prison.

    "The government are concentrating on trying to create a secure internet, which is just not possible when faced with a prisoner with considerable IT knowledge," said Taylor. "We need to have unrestricted access, with known rules and boundaries, and close monitoring. Prison authorities might just be surprised by how positively prisoners would respond."

    Baroness Walmsley, a Lib Dem peer and patron of the Forum, is to host the launch of Internet Inside at the House of Lords later today. Speakers include the report author and Director of the Forum, Steve Taylor, and Per Thrane, a prison teacher from Denmark who pioneered internet access there.

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    Re: Should prisoners have Internet access?

    I think it would be a good idea. That way they could keep up to date on the current news, world events, etc. Just keep an eye on what they're doing on the internet.

    Hell, there're criminals like Martha Stewart that're living like kings when they're in prison. I don't think it's all that unreasonable to give the rest of the prison populace access to th e internet.

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    Re: Should prisoners have Internet access?

    Internet access, for educational purposes, can be set up in such a way that it does not have to be monitored. For example, the company I work for has a web portal set up for the stores to use. It offers links to everything we need to assist our customers and find information to aid in the running of our stores. We cannot access anything else... at all. All e-mail is run through the portal system and is an option that does not necessarilary have to be included.
    There you have it... internet access for educational purposes... ONLY.

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    cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Prison should be "three hots and a cot".

    If you libs want the perpetrous felons in our prisons to have internet.....


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    owwwowwwhooooooo, hoooooo haha haha ha...
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    Where is that planet you freaks come from?
    You are insulting to the penal system.
    WTF is it that makes you whackjobs get up in the morning without blaming society for all of your petty problems?

    Felons____internet? hehehaha hohoho ececechhhhh!!

    ugggg woooo hooo hooooo hoooooooooo! eccchchchch! ha! good one libbys! I'll be laughin' for a couple days off of that one.

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    Re: Should prisoners have Internet access?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider


    Where is that planet you freaks come from?
    You are insulting to the penal system.
    WTF is it that makes you whackjobs get up in the morning without blaming society for all of your petty problems?

    Felons____internet? hehehaha hohoho ececechhhhh!!

    ugggg woooo hooo hooooo hoooooooooo! eccchchchch! ha! good one libbys! I'll be laughin' for a couple days off of that one.

    And I guess you didn't bother to actually READ the posts or view the poll before making your retarded post? Quite a few "liberals" do not feel that prisoners should have Internet access.

    Raider, ENGAGE brain BEFORE typing your replys. You'll look a lot less ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idshadow
    I think it would be a good idea. That way they could keep up to date on the current news, world events, etc. Just keep an eye on what they're doing on the internet.

    Hell, there're criminals like Martha Stewart that're living like kings when they're in prison. I don't think it's all that unreasonable to give the rest of the prison populace access to th e internet.
    She wasn't in anything other than minimum security prison. Restrictions are a lot less in those situations.

    I think the basis of the article was to deny Internet to prisoners in prisons that are anything BUT minimum security. In other words, you wouldn't want Internet provided to prisoners in a maximum security prison filled with murderers, rapists and armed robbers.

    However, on the other hand, if the guards were half as smart as the prisoners, and many of them aren't, some are even on the take, the possibility to allowing some Internet access with supervision could be made possible. I just don't see, given the environment of maximum security prisons, how that would ever be achieved.

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