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    Re: Christianity is a pagan Religion!

    Catholic Saints (paganism): the essence of Catholicism!

    Catholics believe people in heaven are alive. (Mat 19:29, 25:46, Mat 10:17-22, Mk 10:30, Lk 10:25-30, Lk 18:18-30, Jn 3:15-16). We see Lazarus alive by Abraham's side (Lk 16:22). And at the transfiguration we see Moses and Elijah alive beside Jesus. (Mat 17:3) There seems to be a lot of conversing in Heaven (i.e. Rev 4:10). The Church thinks heaven is a lively place with lots of singing and celebration. Jesus opened the gates to Heaven. "Graves were opened." (Mat 27:52). Jesus said, "Now he is a God not of the dead, but of the living; for to him all of them are alive." (Lk 20:39-40).

    Requests for intercession of saints is as old as Christianity itself. It is not a construct of the Middle Ages. A witness describes: "I visited the Catacombs, just outside of Rome. It was an amazing experience. I felt a strong connection with the early Christians who left a written record on the walls of the Catacombs as a testimony of their beliefs. I came upon a wall of hundreds of inscriptions asking the martyred Peter and Paul to pray for them. It was very moving."

    http://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/saints.php
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    so what about this "LAMB" thing!? what does it mean/represent!?
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    If there is no son of God, as I have maintained, much of the New Testament is in error. If there is no son of God, Jesus is a pagan god, and, therefore, Christianity is a pagan religion. If Jesus was God, then, Judaism follows, not Christianity. Jesus was the OT Messiah sent to his chosen people to give testimony, not to create a new religion. What happens to the gospels or Paul's writings without the son of God? What happens to hundreds of years of Christian theology? What happens to the many salvation stories without the son of God? The vast amount of damage caused by such an idea is immeasurable. But what if it is true? The problem with the question is there is no evidence. Everything about the Bible and Jesus is based on faith. However, we do know Jews exist and there is a nation of Israel. So, something must be going on with regard to Jews. Then, we have archaeological evidence for the existence of Jewish tribes and ancient lands occupied by God's chosen people.

    I believe God made Jews his chosen people, and God was the OT Messiah who became Jesus. From my dream revelations, I know Jesus was God, and there is no son of God. Furthermore, I know God is a duality, which may explain a lot of misunderstanding about Jesus in the New Testament.

    So, if there is no son of God, how do you interpret the gospels and Paul's writings? If you try to unravel those NT books without the son of God, they fall apart. What remains is Judaism. My theory about what happened is God came into the world to "give testimony" to his chosen people. Then, after his death, or murder, Jesus movement leaders rewrote the whole story with a "marketing ploy." Would Christianity have been as successful without the son of God? Probably not! God didn't come into the world to start a new religion, he came into the world to "give testimony" to his chosen people. For an accurate story of the life of Jesus (God), read the book of Revelation, Chapter 11 about the two witnesses (duality of God), and Chapter 12 about Satan attacking God while he was in the world as Jesus. Apparently, John, the author of Revelation, believed Jesus was the son of God. However, if you factor out the idea of the son of God from Revelation, you find it to be an accurate story about humankind, God's chosen people, and world events. The book of Revelation may therefore be regarded as more relevant for Jews, or Judaism, than for Christianity.

    Some important meanings change in the book of Revelation when you factor out the son of God. Assuming Jesus was not the son of God, Christianity becomes a pagan religion. I realized I am in hot water for proposing the idea of there being no son of God, but, if it is true, the book takes on a different meaning. As an example, if the first Beast of Revelation (Rev. 13) is Christianity. Then, in reference to "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast," (Rev. 13-3) we have the son of God as the wound in a "new world religion." Because there is no son of God, Christianity becomes a pagan religion. God's prosecuted people are Jews, and Christians and Muslims are two major world religions which have persecute them. In the context of new meanings, the second beast (Rev. 13:11) is Islam, and the mark of the beast (666) is Allah. Both Christians and Jews have persecuted God's chosen people. With new meanings for words, interpretations change. Subsequently, Revelation has an entirely different meaning than found in Christian theology.

    In my opinion, the reason why Christianity has become so appealing is because it brings God down to a human level. Humans want to identify with a religious leader, or with one they can identify with in order to feel compatible. If Jesus movement leaders had not changed meanings to make Jesus the son of God, there may not have been a new religion. And, assuming Jews didn't accept Jesus as the Messiah, then, there may have been little for Judaism to change. Jesus could have been regarded as a prophet. However, inasmuch as followers of Jesus wanted to overthrow their Roman overlords, they probably wouldn't have accepted Jesus as God unless he fulfilled an important need.

    God (Jesus) did not intend to start a new religion. God, doesn't micro-manage. People make freewill choices which may or may not agree with God's intentions. Followers of Jesus came up with narrative stories that changed Jews perception of Jesus. If you read gospels written prior to the NT gospels you don't find those narrative stories (Jesus is the son of God, Jesus is tempted by the devil, John baptizes Jesus, Jesus drives out devils, Jesus heals many, Jesus walks on water, etc.). Apparently, those stories were added for the Jesus movement to gain support. Here is an excellent source for origins of those ideas, The Lost Gospel Q by Burton L. Mack. Revelation 11 about the two witnesses (God's duality) is the most reliable story about Jesus.

    Again, there is no mention of the son of God in the Old Testament or in Jewish holy writings. In many respects, Christianity is a means by which people have maintained prejudices against Jews. Why would God take Judaism and revise it to eliminate original meanings? Satan has succeeded in assisting Christian leaders in replacing God's chosen people with Christians and his holy words with deceptive and unrelated meanings. Then, we have Islam, which is even more of an abomination for perverting God's holy words. It is interesting that Muslims primary adversary are Jews. Why would God's chosen people become the enemies of Islam? According to Revelation, Christians are the first beast and Islam is the second beast. God didn't change his mind about his chosen people, they are the Jews, and Israel is the land the Lord gave them. It is all written in the Old Testament. The New Testament contradicts God's holy words. Even more of a contradiction to God's holy words is the Koran which proclaims Allah to be God. The Lord's Old Testament Jews and Israel are surrounded by enemies. God didn't abandon his chosen people, the world has attacked, murdered, and persecuted them.

    Paul was dedicated to the idea of Jesus being the son of God. As an example, Paul begins Romans with a strong statement about the son of God.

    “Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospels of God --- the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scripture regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descent of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 1: 1-4)

    The problem with Paul’s statement about Jesus “the son of God” is there are no references in the Old Testament as proposed. Where in the Old Testament do you find such a statement about the son of God? I have searched, and I have found nothing. One must not, in searching scripture, confuse literal with figurative interpretations. With figurative interpretations, almost any idea can be referenced depending on creative skills of the author. If you search for a literal interpretation to the son of God in the Old Testament, you find nothing! Moreover, in the Old Testament, you don't find confirmation for Paul's statement: "the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scripture regarding his Son." So, if we find no OT references, why should we believe what Paul wrote?
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    your SUPERNATURALISM is the gift of the holy spirit!! lets do the MATH!! god is holy his spirit is holy!! god is supernatural!! a very REASONABLE assumption!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    your SUPERNATURALISM is the gift of the holy spirit!! lets do the MATH!! god is holy his spirit is holy!! god is supernatural!! a very REASONABLE assumption!!
    What does that have to do with my thread? You keep making personal attacks which I ignore. Stay with the threads!

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    i cant find where i referenced my remarks did you DELETE or RE WRITE 1 of your POSTS!? but how about you taking the LITERAL wording about the ark and MAKING IT fit your IMAGINATIONS!? 2 cherubims =2 gods!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    i cant find where i referenced my remarks did you DELETE or RE WRITE 1 of your POSTS!? but how about you taking the LITERAL wording about the ark and MAKING IT fit your IMAGINATIONS!? 2 cherubims =2 gods!?
    Don't know what you are talking about. We will discuss when you stop attacking me for my dreams. I don't like insults!

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    here's a question for you can a human be in heaven while existing on earth!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    here's a question for you can a human be in heaven while existing on earth!?
    What does that have to do with my threads? I am tired of your insults.

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    i take this QUESTION directly from your LONG WINDED BLABBING in this thread!! go find it!! by the way did you ever think of giving it a REST!! its been LONGER than 7 days you KNOW!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    i take this QUESTION directly from your LONG WINDED BLABBING in this thread!! go find it!! by the way did you ever think of giving it a REST!! its been LONGER than 7 days you KNOW!!
    I POST WHAT I PLEASE!

    Can't you think without insults. You need therapy, You are really sick!

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    and here i THOUGHT you might catch the HUMOR of my recommendation!? you religious LUNYS are so "SENSITIVE"!? i was just MUSING today on how 1 would describe god's function in relation to man!? i mean i think Einstein was right about his theory of relativity!! he was finally looking for the UNIFYING THEORY!! so i look around at life and make the connections of science and religion!! what i came up with is........ god is the ROUTER of life!! it all has to go thru him!! very SIMPLE idea and we ALL know god is NOT COMPLICATED!! well the wise 1's do anyway!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    and here i THOUGHT you might catch the HUMOR of my recommendation!? you religious LUNYS are so "SENSITIVE"!? i was just MUSING today on how 1 would describe god's function in relation to man!? i mean i think Einstein was right about his theory of relativity!! he was finally looking for the UNIFYING THEORY!! so i look around at life and make the connections of science and religion!! what i came up with is........ god is the ROUTER of life!! it all has to go thru him!! very SIMPLE idea and we ALL know god is NOT COMPLICATED!! well the wise 1's do anyway!?
    Truth may be stranger than fiction. What remains of life on our planet has evolved from the fall of paradise. God attempted to intervene in human history, but it didn't work out! Subsequently, God is absent from our world, because humans don't obey his commandments. There is only one way for salvation, and no one likes what God requires! Oh, yes, we have so many different religions, in so many different nations. Go ahead and pick one! I won't discuss because there is nothing to discuss. I don't like repeating, it is all there on my dream thread!

    Oh, I don't mean to be rude. If lexx wants to discuss religion, he is required to first apologize for the "many insults" and "demeaning comments" he has made for such a long time. I suspect it is impossible, there have been so many insults, maybe hundreds!

    Here is some advice for lexx. Stay away from religious threads, your insulting remarks are unwelcomed, and your ideas about religion are so stupid as to boarder on insanity. Instead of reflecting on what is known about God (Bible), lexx makes up stupid ideas, which alienates everyone. Who wants to reply to such idiocy?

    Hey lexx, READ THE BIBLE!
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    the bible is a TRANSLATED WORK BY MEN!! to take it as any kind of ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY on every single idea of the human mind is ABSURD!! just on the basis it is completely made up of fragments of writings from the past!! god is STILL WRITING SCRIPTURE thru mankind!! LIVING SCRIPTURE!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    the bible is a TRANSLATED WORK BY MEN!! to take it as any kind of ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY on every single idea of the human mind is ABSURD!! just on the basis it is completely made up of fragments of writings from the past!! god is STILL WRITING SCRIPTURE thru mankind!! LIVING SCRIPTURE!!
    Why would I consider your opinion about religion? You know nothing, but stupid comments. Go back to politics and trash Trump.
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    having dreams and reading alot of religious BASED literature DONT make you some kind of EXPERT!! KNOWING god counts way more than that STUFF!!
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