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    Re: Lamb of God in Revelation isnít Jesus!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    Wow, chesty has put his foot in his mouth again! He is defining forgiveness as a legal term whereby the injured party has regress against the accused, which must be proven in court. It is a liability issue whereas the injured party must prove a damage or an injury as a consequence of the charge. In religious terminology, however, forgiveness is inferred as a condition of a relationship between the aggrieved sinner, or believer, and God. In this context, forgiveness is based on faith which, of course, has no material or legal basis. It is like comparing apples with oranges. A very poor comparison. Oh, well, it is what a stupid Irishman does best.

    Okay, everyone, here comes the defamation of character statements from the pseudo Irish intellectual. Just wait, chesty has some really good profanities for everyone. First, he must pray to Satan for inspiration. After a short prayer, he will be full of hatred and animosity, enough to fill a bulldozer with enough fuel for a long tractor run over believers. Oh, how sad and dismayed those believers will be when they see chesty's tractor bearing down on them. Chesty will enjoy hitting them and crushing their brittle bones. Then, enjoying every second, he will turn around and run over their carcasses. How very sad! Sob, Sob.
    On the subject of insanity of this subject, I could well rest my case based on the content of that post alone. Were you ever an involuntary patient in a mental institution? Answer carefully Nance.

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    Re: Lamb of God in Revelation isnít Jesus!

    Quote Originally Posted by chesty View Post
    On the subject of insanity of this subject, I could well rest my case based on the content of that post alone. Were you ever an involuntary patient in a mental institution? Answer carefully Nance.
    GO TO HELL!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
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    Did you ever escape from this involuntary confinement in the mental institution?

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    Here, by your own admission, is a pretty strong case that you are stark raving mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chesty View Post
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    Did you ever escape from this involuntary confinement in the mental institution?

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    Here, by your own admission, is a pretty strong case that you are stark raving mad.
    Go to Hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    Go to Hell!




    Haha. Seems like you think you got a look through the window of Lucifer's crib. What did you see? Quick answer Nance. Make it believable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chesty View Post
    Haha. Seems like you think you got a look through the window of Lucifer's crib. What did you see? Quick answer Nance. Make it believable.
    Go to Hell!

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    Re: Lamb of God in Revelation isnít Jesus!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    The self confessed lunatic strikes again with a copy with a paste haha

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    Hey, Chesty

    Go to Hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    Its 2.20 AM in Oregon just now. Get some sleep before you go insane (oh, but you've already gone)

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    Re: Lamb of God in Revelation isnít Jesus!

    Quote Originally Posted by chesty View Post
    Its 2.20 AM in Oregon just now. Get some sleep before you go insane (oh, but you've already gone)
    Hey, Chesty

    Go to Hell!

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    Re: Lamb of God in Revelation isnít Jesus!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
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    Lets see how long you can stay awake Nance haha.

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    Re: Lamb of God in Revelation isnít Jesus!

    Interpreting the "lamb of God" as God's chosen people, as I have proposed, brings the entire book of Revelation into an entirely new and different context.

    Assuming, as I have proposed there is no son of God, and Jesus was God, then interpretations for the lamb of God in Revelation changes from Jesus to God’s chosen people (Jews). The following assumed references for Jesus, the son of God, and therefore lamb of God, are found in Revelation: 5:2-14, 6:1-16, 7:14, 14:4, 15:3, 17:14, 19:9,16, 21:22-23. Early Christian leaders made the claim for Jesus, the son of God, being the lamb of God. It was taken from Jewish tradition. We find numerous references in the Old Testament, or Jewish holy books, to the lamb of God. It was part of a Jewish sacrifice in the name of Jehovah. Christians, after deciding Jesus was the son of God sent into the world as a sacrificial lamb for humankind, declared the lamb of God in Revelation to be Jesus. However, if as I propose, there is no son of God, there would be no sacrificial lamb in Revelation. As God, Jesus cannot be a sacrificial lamb, it is ludicrous idea inasmuch a God asked his chosen people to make sacrifices.

    If “lamb of God” references are to God’s chosen people (Jews), entirely different meanings emerge. Revelation becomes more understandable, even logical. I have researched the topic and have discovered no other person has proposed such an interpretation of Revelation. I suggest everyone read Revelation with my interpretation. You’ll find an historical based story for the persecution of God’s chosen people.
    If the lamb of God had not be misinterpreted to mean Jesus the son of God, it is likely Revelation would have become part of a Jewish holy book. The entire meaning of Revelation changes when one conceives the lamb of God to be God’s chosen people. Furthermore, battles mentioned in Revelation are about Jews being persecuted, and Israel becomes the victim of the second beast of Revelation (Islam).
    Most people know of the danger Jews face with Islamic nations threatening to destroy Israel. Israel has already fought three major wars with Arab nations to defend itself. There may be, however, one final and devastating war to determine the fate of God’s chosen people. “They will wage war against the Lamb, but the lamb will trump over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings -- and with him will be his called, chosen, and faithful followers.” Rev. 17:14.

    If, as I suggested, the lamb of God represents Jews, and not Christians or Jesus as a sacrificial lamb for humankind, then we have a completely new interpretation of Revelation, as I have proposed. Israel is the modern-day lamb of God attacked in three major wars by Arab nations (the second beast of Revelation), which I have interpreted as Islam, the first prophet being Muhammad. I posted these relationships on my thread entitled "Who are Beasts of Revelation?"

    As far as I know my reinterpretation of Revelation is extremely controversial. It violates sacred values of Christianity, and proposes God's religion with his chosen people is the first and last religion for the world. My justification for this position is based on the OT Lord's many admonitions to his chosen people to reject pagan Gods. Again, assuming Jesus was God, and not the son of God, then Christianity would be a pagan religion inasmuch as Christianity is about the son of God, a false deity. I know it is a serious charge, but, again, God was very stern in His admonishments against pagan gods. It is there throughout the Old Testament, "don't worship pagan gods."

    As for why it happened, read the history or the NT gospels, it is in the historical record of how they were written with no NT author being an eyewitness, stories being revised to the point where Jesus was reinterpreted to become a "sacrificial lamb" to save humankind. In original gospels, the ones destroyed by church leaders, we have some remaining fragments which indicated Jesus was a sage or wise leader, not the son of God. It is also very interesting that Jesus spoke about the "Kingdom of Heaven." It was as if he had been there! Then, we have church leaders noting Jesus making references to himself as two persons. Well, they resolved it to mean Jesus was both father and son, when the real story was Jesus was God, and God is a duality. I know, no one believes it. Well, maybe not, but it certainly explains discrepancies.
    Assuming God's chosen people are "the lamb of God" in Revelation, then, Rev. 14 about "the lamb and the 144,000" is extremely clear in meaning. It reads as follows: "Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his Father's name written on their foreheads." Rev. 14:1. What other people except God's chosen people would have "his Father's name written on their foreheads"? Oh, one could argue any religious group would qualify. However, assuming Christianity is the first beast of Revelation and Islam is the second beast of Revelation, what remains is Judaism and Jews. Again, if there is no son of God, Christianity is a pagan religion. And, if Allah is not God, Islam is a pagan religion.
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    Re: Lamb of God in Revelation isnít Jesus!

    Ahh, lamb.



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    Re: Lamb of God in Revelation isnít Jesus!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    Interpreting the "lamb of God" as God's chosen people, as I have proposed, brings the entire book of Revelation into an entirely new and different context.

    Assuming, as I have proposed there is no son of God, and Jesus was God, then interpretations for the lamb of God in Revelation changes from Jesus to Godís chosen people (Jews). The following assumed references for Jesus, the son of God, and therefore lamb of God, are found in Revelation: 5:2-14, 6:1-16, 7:14, 14:4, 15:3, 17:14, 19:9,16, 21:22-23. Early Christian leaders made the claim for Jesus, the son of God, being the lamb of God. It was taken from Jewish tradition. We find numerous references in the Old Testament, or Jewish holy books, to the lamb of God. It was part of a Jewish sacrifice in the name of Jehovah. Christians, after deciding Jesus was the son of God sent into the world as a sacrificial lamb for humankind, declared the lamb of God in Revelation to be Jesus. However, if as I propose, there is no son of God, there would be no sacrificial lamb in Revelation. As God, Jesus cannot be a sacrificial lamb, it is ludicrous idea inasmuch a God asked his chosen people to make sacrifices.

    If ďlamb of GodĒ references are to Godís chosen people (Jews), entirely different meanings emerge. Revelation becomes more understandable, even logical. I have researched the topic and have discovered no other person has proposed such an interpretation of Revelation. I suggest everyone read Revelation with my interpretation. Youíll find an historical based story for the persecution of Godís chosen people.
    If the lamb of God had not be misinterpreted to mean Jesus the son of God, it is likely Revelation would have become part of a Jewish holy book. The entire meaning of Revelation changes when one conceives the lamb of God to be Godís chosen people. Furthermore, battles mentioned in Revelation are about Jews being persecuted, and Israel becomes the victim of the second beast of Revelation (Islam).
    Most people know of the danger Jews face with Islamic nations threatening to destroy Israel. Israel has already fought three major wars with Arab nations to defend itself. There may be, however, one final and devastating war to determine the fate of Godís chosen people. ďThey will wage war against the Lamb, but the lamb will trump over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings -- and with him will be his called, chosen, and faithful followers.Ē Rev. 17:14.

    If, as I suggested, the lamb of God represents Jews, and not Christians or Jesus as a sacrificial lamb for humankind, then we have a completely new interpretation of Revelation, as I have proposed. Israel is the modern-day lamb of God attacked in three major wars by Arab nations (the second beast of Revelation), which I have interpreted as Islam, the first prophet being Muhammad. I posted these relationships on my thread entitled "Who are Beasts of Revelation?"

    As far as I know my reinterpretation of Revelation is extremely controversial. It violates sacred values of Christianity, and proposes God's religion with his chosen people is the first and last religion for the world. My justification for this position is based on the OT Lord's many admonitions to his chosen people to reject pagan Gods. Again, assuming Jesus was God, and not the son of God, then Christianity would be a pagan religion inasmuch as Christianity is about the son of God, a false deity. I know it is a serious charge, but, again, God was very stern in His admonishments against pagan gods. It is there throughout the Old Testament, "don't worship pagan gods."

    As for why it happened, read the history or the NT gospels, it is in the historical record of how they were written with no NT author being an eyewitness, stories being revised to the point where Jesus was reinterpreted to become a "sacrificial lamb" to save humankind. In original gospels, the ones destroyed by church leaders, we have some remaining fragments which indicated Jesus was a sage or wise leader, not the son of God. It is also very interesting that Jesus spoke about the "Kingdom of Heaven." It was as if he had been there! Then, we have church leaders noting Jesus making references to himself as two persons. Well, they resolved it to mean Jesus was both father and son, when the real story was Jesus was God, and God is a duality. I know, no one believes it. Well, maybe not, but it certainly explains discrepancies.
    Assuming God's chosen people are "the lamb of God" in Revelation, then, Rev. 14 about "the lamb and the 144,000" is extremely clear in meaning. It reads as follows: "Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his Father's name written on their foreheads." Rev. 14:1. What other people except God's chosen people would have "his Father's name written on their foreheads"? Oh, one could argue any religious group would qualify. However, assuming Christianity is the first beast of Revelation and Islam is the second beast of Revelation, what remains is Judaism and Jews. Again, if there is no son of God, Christianity is a pagan religion. And, if Allah is not God, Islam is a pagan religion.
    And on the morning of the second day, the lord (forgetting what he had done on the previous day) done the same shit all over again, ad infinitum 🤣🤣🤣

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    Re: Lamb of God in Revelation isnít Jesus!

    Quote Originally Posted by chesty View Post
    And on the morning of the second day, the lord (forgetting what he had done on the previous day) done the same shit all over again, ad infinitum 🤣🤣🤣
    Will chesty's hostility ever end? Satan would be proud!

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    Bet you can't guess what part of a Lamb this is Nance!

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