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    Who are Beasts of Revelation?

    Again, I must mention, the gospels and Paul's writings are in error because Jesus was God and not the son of God.

    There have been lot of opinions about the Beasts of Revelation. Many believers have thought the beasts are symbols for world leaders. I propose they don't represent a person, they represent two major world religions. The first Beast (Rev. 13) is a major Christian religion, better known as the Catholic Church. As a Christian religion, it was coming into prominence about the time of John's revelation. The second Beast (Rev. 13) is Islam, a major world religion. As for the number 666, which has garnered much attention, it represents Allah, the god of Islam's holy book, the Koran.

    One may ask why? Isn't Jesus the basis for the Catholic Church? If Jesus, as I have proposed, was God, and not the son of God, then the Catholic Church and all other Christian religions are false. It is sad to imagine there is no son of God (Jesus), and therefore no salvation for accepting a sacrificial lamb as one's savior. There is a specific reference for this defect in the Christian faith. Read the following quote from Revelation about the first Beast. "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole world was amazed and followed the Beast" (Rev. 13:3). The wound represents the false idea that Jesus was the son of God. The error, of course, has huge implications. How many millions of believers have placed their faith wth the son of God for their salvation?

    It is interesting to note the comment about the power of the first Beast. "Everyone worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast." (Rev. 13:4) Assuming Satan is the dragon, we have Satan dominating Christianity. It is difficult to believe, but it may be true. If there is no son of God, there is no salvation for believing in him, so what remains is a false religion. The implication is God's chosen people follow the one true religion. I have always wondered why Judaism was replaced by Christianity. If Jesus was the OT Lord, then Judaism remains as God's religion. Why would God propose Judaism as his religion in the Old Testament and then change his mind and switch to the Christian religion? In many ways, Satan is devious and cunning for attacking and destroying. As for Islam, when Mohammed was in a cave he had an encounter with an angel which began his quest for a new religion. Could that spirit have been Satan? It is a good possibility.

    What about other world religions not accepting Jesus as God, and subsequently Judaism as God's religion? Well, apparently, God is not pleased. "then I heard a loud voice speaking from the temple to the seven angels." "Go and pour out the seven bowls of God's anger on the earth!" (Rev. 16:1)
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    Concerning the Catholic Church, the first beast of Revelation, we have additional beasts with Protestant churches, sects, and cults. Also, the Christian Trinity is part of the beast insofar as it excludes the God of Israel, or the one and only God of Abraham and Moses. The Trinity, an essential theological attribute of Christianity, is a pagan god; it proposes false ideas about God. In particular, if there is no son of God, there is no Trinity.

    For about two thousand years, Christianity has flourished to become a major world religion while Judaism has faded into obscurity. Did God get it wrong when he declared himself to be the Lord of His chosen people? Apparently, it is the results of overzealous Christians with creative imaginations, willing to do anything to promote a new world religion? In the beginning when God communicated with Abraham, there was no son of God, no holy spirit, just the Lord God. Then when God came into the world as Jesus, humans could not conceive of God's true nature. Even today, humans cannot comprehend God's duality. Everything, including God, must be calibrated based on human perceptions. That may not seem fair, but it may partly explain humans' inability to understanding God.

    Assuming God is a duality, and Jesus was God, the whole story changes. Assuming Jesus talked about Himself as two persons, one may understand how NT authors got it wrong. Then, after church leaders declared a special understanding of Jesus, the Christian movement based on "the son of God" took off. To fit expectations for a new religion, Jesus became the sacrificial lamb for Christianity, thus promising salvation, which has an enormous appeal for new believers. Believe in Jesus, the son of God, be faithful, and you'll be saved! However, what if there is no son of god? In short, Christianity is based on false beliefs. Why is there no mention of the son of God in the Old Testament? Why would God lie to his chosen people? Is Israel a fiction? No, God did not lie. Christian authors of the gospel and Paul and his followers got it wrong. They became the foundation for the "first beast" of Revelation.

    The Holy Spirit is a human invention. It has become convenient for Christian leaders to declare truth in the name of the holy spirit. How many pastors have declared this or that based on what the "Holy Spirit" told them? It must be one of the greatest hoaxes in history. We don't find the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament or in Judaism.

    With new and attractive theologies, Christianity, the first beast, has become an important world religion. Much of Revelation is about the persecution of Jews and the repression of Judaism, God's religion.

    Revelation is also about end times. Islam, the second beast, has caused, and will continue to cause, strife and wars with Israel (Rev. 16). Israel will be attacked and Islamic nations will suffer destruction (Rev. 17), and the world's economy will suffer devastating losses (Rev. 18).
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    It is interesting, if you read the Koran, you’ll find numerous references to Old Testament stories, the ones adopted from Jewish holy books. It must be a true case of plagiarism. I wonder if Jews can sue Muslims for stealing their holy stories? Ha. ha.

    My favorite idea about the Koran is when Mohammed went into the cave and saw the angel Gabriel, he really saw Satan. It was Satan’s goal to discredit stories about Jesus because he knew Jesus was God. What better way for Satan to deceive the world than to promote competing religions. With two major religions, Satan has had a powerful means for attacking and destroying God’s chosen people.

    Why has Anti-Semitism been so pervasive? For example, what happened to Christians in Germany when the Nazi Party persecuted and murdered several million Jews? Why didn’t German Christians or Christians from other nations come to the rescue of God’s chosen people? Oh, we know about the allies fighting Germany, but, primarily, they were motivated to defeat Hitler's Third Reich, not to rescue Jews. Then, when Israel began as a nation, where were Christians to assist them? If you read about the heroic deeds of Jews defending themselves against Arab (Muslims) attacks, it is remarkable to note how little support they got from Christians.

    Now, with the second beast (Islam), Satan is assisting Arab nations to destroy Israel (God’s chosen people). If Allah is the one true god, what happened to the Jewish Lord? Does one dismiss miracle stories in Jewish holy books? What is really strange is Allah didn't appear until nearly a thousand years after Jesus (God) was in the world as the Lord. What is the truth? Is there one God or many gods? Based on what I know, God is the OT Lord. Allah is Arabs' answer to the Jewish God. Unfortunately, the deity controversy may never be resolved, it continues to cause conflict and war.
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    Re: Who are Beasts of Revelation?

    I believe Revelation was revealed to John as God’s statement about his relationship to humans. I have indicated how the two beasts have offered competing religious to Judaism. I have not, however, completed my statement. I have not discussed Jesus in Revelation and God’s duality. A central theme of Revelation is God’s intolerance for pagan gods, as Old Testament stories indicate.

    When God was in the world as Jesus he was rejected. No one knows the complete story, but what we know is Jesus was declared to be the son of God. It happened after Jesus movement leaders discussed the identity of Jesus. Regardless of whether Christian leaders regarded Jesus as a duality or not, the problem is they didn’t think Jesus was the Old Testament Lord. What they did was define Jesus as the son of God in the Jewish tradition of a sacrificial lamb. By emphasizing the crucifixion of Jesus, Christian leaders offered followers an opportunity for salvation through his sacrifice. It has been the primary reason for the attraction of Christianity.

    We assume when John, the author, wrote Revelation, he didn’t believe Jesus was God. Again, we know religious leaders thought Jesus was the son of God. However, early gospels, the ones prior to the four NT gospels, indicate Jesus was a sage or wise leader. I am in a minority for believing Jesus was God, and God is a duality.

    Revelation describes the life and death of Jesus (God). Assuming the "two witnesses" represents the duality of God, the description of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 is about Jesus (God) and his ministry. Revelation 12 is about angels fighting Satan (dragon) while God was in the world. In both chapters, the time period is the same, 1,260 days (31/2 years). According to historical records and the gospels, the ministry of Jesus lasted about the same time.

    For Revelation’s time period, multiple 42 (Rev.11:1) by 30, the results are 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3). Divide 1,260 days by 365, the results are 31/2 years. The following is John’s story about the ministry of Jesus. I don’t think John believed Revelation 12 was about the death of Jesus. I have taken the liberty to link Chapter 11 to Chapter 12 to described the life and death of God while he was in the world as Jesus.

    “Go and measure the temple of God and the alter and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it because it has been given to the gentiles. They will trample on the city for 42 months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” (Rev. 11:1-3).

    Revelations 11:7-9. “Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze at their bodies and refuse them burial.”

    Revelations 11:11. “But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, ‘come up here.’ And they went up into heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.”

    Revelation 12 is about the woman and the dragon. It is the story about God’s angels fighting Satan while God was in the world as Jesus. Notice the women (God), “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” (Rev. 12:1-2). Note the twelve stars on her head. They represent God’s twelve angels; Satan is the thirteenth angel. Jesus (God) was about to give testimony to His chosen people. Then, Satan threatened Jesus (God).

    “The dragon stood in front of the woman (God) who was about to give birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” (Rev. 12:4-5). The male child represents Jesus (God).

    “The women fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1, 260 days.” (Rev. 12:6). Again, the time in Chapter 11 and 12 is the same, 1,260 days. Both chapters refer to the same event, the time God was in the world as Jesus. Then, Michael, God's General, led the other angels to fight Satan in heaven. "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down---that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan., who leads the whole world astray." (Rev. 12:7-9).

    "When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who gave birth to the male child.” (Rev. 12:13). The child was Jesus (God). “Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring --- those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.” (Rev. 12:17). Thus, we have nearly two thousand years of Anti-Semitism and the holocaust. Today, Jews and Israel, the land God gave to his chosen people, have been the center of Middle East conflict and wars, all of which threatens world peace.
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    Re: Who are Beasts of Revelation?

    Several years ago, I had a dream about the fate of Jews. I was high in the air looking down at a baby; it appeared to be perfectly still, as if it were a doll. A voice said, "Pick it up and hug it." As I picked it up, I saw several black boxes and one red box around its waste. Suddenly, as I hugged the baby, I realized it was dead. I began sobbing. The dead baby was a symbol for Israel or God's chosen people. Early in their relationship with God, they fell out of favor. It has a lot to do with being obedient to God's commandments. I had a dream about ancient times for God’s chosen people. In the dream, God said, “They didn’t obey my commandments, not one single commandment.” This does not mean however that other religions have replaced Judaism. As a matter of fact, God has remained faithful to his promises. Despite growing international upheavals and dangers, God will protect Israel as promised in ancient times. The Lord said to Abram, “All the Land that you see I will give you and your offspring forever.” (Genesis 13:15).

    Knowing Jesus was God, and not the son of God, I have found other meanings in Revelation. On this thread, I have posted my interpretation of two beasts of Revelation. I may be the only person to have such an interpretation. This new interpretation of Jesus comes from my dreams about Jesus being God, and not the son of God. From this interpretation, the entire meaning of Revelation changes. Now, instead of Christians being favored as special people, they are regarded as worshipers of a pagan god. Offering no solace or special consideration, the meaning of Christianity changes. In important ways, interpretations of history changes.

    The problem for Christianity began when authors of New Testament books presented Jesus as the son of God. There is historical evidence indicating early leaders of the Jesus movement regarded Jesus as a wise or sage man. Later, they changed the identity of Jesus to son of God. From this point forward, we have people worshiping a pagan god. There are Christians who may say, “well, it isn’t my fault.” Regardless of the reason or excuse, the son of God is a false idea. The consequence of this false idea is the rapid expansion of Christianity, a pagan religion. Based on the Old Testament, the Lord God reveal himself to his chosen people. Subsequently, we have the God of Judaism as the one true God. In the context of this interpretation, we find Jews persecuted for many hundreds of years by those worshiping a pagan god. One can speculate as to Satan’s influence on changing meanings for Jesus. We know for certain, according to the Old Testament, Satan promotes pagan gods.


    Revelation also changes meaning for Judaism. Jews are those persecuted. “He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them.” (Rev. 13:7). Throughout Revelation, the lamb is not the son of God, it is the Jewish Lord (God).
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    Re: Who are Beasts of Revelation?

    Another beast is mentioned in Revelation 11:7 about the two witnesses. "Now when they had finished their testimony, the beast that comes from the abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them."

    I have posted about Rev. 11 as the real story about Jesus (God). The two witnesses are God's duality, and there was no son of God.

    The beast in Revelation 11:7 is Satan. Satan has been imprisoned in the universe since he rebelled in heaven. It is certain Satan would know God was in the world as a man (Jesus). After Satan discovered paradise on earth about 65 million years ago, he had become familiar with the planet. God created the universe as a prison for Satan and, later, God created paradise on earth. it is logical to assume there are no other inhabited planets in the universe. Subsequently, Satan would be on earth trying to create havoc. After discovering humans on earth, Satan promoted pagan gods. I have studied ancient remains of pagan gods and have found striking similarities, as if Satan had projected an image of himself.

    Satan discovered God (Jesus) on earth and subsequently attacked and killed him. If you note details of Revelation for the two witnesses, you'll find a similarities for the life of Jesus: giving testimony for 31/2 years, being rejected, and time on the ground for 31/2 days after being killed by the beast (Satan). Then, "they went up to heaven in a cloud." (Rev. 11:12)
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    The two-beasts become Gog and Magog. Led by Satan against God’s people in Israel, the final battle will be in Jerusalem.

    “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in four corners of the earth –Gog and Magog—and to gather them for Battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But the fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (Rev. 20:7-10).
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    As far as I know, I am the only person with such interpretations of Revelation. Mostly, my ideas have offended just about everyone: Christians, Muslims and all those who have more traditional religious views. If I am correct, the whole world is in trouble for all those pagan gods and for persecuting and killing Jews. If you notice, most references in Revelation are to the lamb and God's people are about Jews, not other religious groups. So, assuming Jews are only about .20% of the world's population, it doesn't look good for the rest of humankind.

    Based on my dreams and visions, there are reasons for the popularity of paganism. The most important reason is humans are not been obedient to God's commandments. I had an important dream about it. In reference to Old Testament times, a voice said, "they didn't obey my commandments, not one single commandment." That seems to summarize the situation for humans. As for the reason, in heaven, there are two Gods in a sphere and angels around in a circle. There is no allowance for dissention. The reason why the two Gods created angels was for companionship and to enjoy loving interaction between the two Gods. The problem in heaven began when one of the angels (Satan) attempted to be like God. Then, when God attempted to impose the same rules of obedience on earth, it didn't work. So, there are opportunities to dispute this view of God's requirement for obedience, so many possibilities, so many religions, so many theologies. The basic definition for God's requirement for obedience is found in heaven with the two Gods in a sphere. It is simple, heaven is being in the presence of the two Gods.

    Based on what we know, most religious people think heaven is a place for everyone with many rooms. However, if heaven is being in the presence of God, how would everyone be there? Well, I had a dream about it. In a large dome in the sky were many, many, rows of benches for people to sit on. Above in the sky was a large sphere with the two Gods inside. The dome rocked from the two Gods interacting in the sphere. The problem was people on the benches were bored or distracted. They didn't seem to care about the two Gods above them. What does this mean? Well, if people don't want to be in the presence of God, there is no heaven for humans. If they are not in the presence of God, where would they be? This presents a real problem for heaven. There would be, or might be, some kind of revolt as people attempt to have their own heavenly existence. It happened when Satan attempted to make a worship circle with other angels away from God. The problem for Satan was he offered the other angels nothing but angry and hurtful attacks. Subsequently, Satan was imprisoned in the universe. I know, it is not what everyone wants to hear. In the final analysis, my ideas about God are to unconventional. People want to hear fairytale stories about God and heaven, I have none to tell. I do know however God is beyond description for his holy beauty. If I have a choice, I will be in the presence of the two Gods forever.
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    There is a reference in Revelation to Muhammad, the founder of Islam. He is the “false prophet” of the second beast.

    “The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings of the East. Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs: they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for battle on the great day of God Almighty.

    Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.

    Then, they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon." (Rev. 16:12-16)


    We know, of course, Israel is surrounded by Islamic nations intent on her destruction.

    Muhammad made this statement: “There will be 30 dajjals among my Ummah. Each one will claim that he is a prophet; but I am the last of the Prophets (Seal of the Prophets), and there will be no Prophet after me."
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    Revelation makes reference to what has happened in our world since Muhammad declared Allah to be God. Jihadist have, in the name of Allah, declared war on Christians and Jews.

    “The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings of the East. Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs: they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet." (Rev. 16:12-14) The false prophet was Muhammad!

    “Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.” (Rev. 13:14-16)

    Muslim's Koran has taken stories and patriarchs from Judaism to justify Allah as a replacement for Jewish and Christian deities. For Muslims, Islam has replaced both Judaism and Christianity. As a result, Muslims have declared Jews and Christians to be infidels! Muslims are commanded by Allah to kill Christians and Jews. Muslim's misinterpretation of Jewish scripture has resulted in brutal suicide attacks, wars, killing of Christians and Jews, and destabilization of the Middle East in the name Allah. It was Muhammad, the false prophet of the second beast (Rev. 16:13), who established Islam to replace Judaism and Christianity.
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    If you do scholarly research you find serious issues about the son of God. Based on prior gospels, the ones preceding the four NT gospels, Jesus was regarded as a sage or wise man, and spoke about "his heavenly kingdom." Here is a literary argument repudiating Jesus as the son of God, and thereby proposing Jesus to be God.

    None of the gospels preceding the four NT gospels make mention of a single "Jesus story" written by NT gospel authors. Nor do we find a single “Jesus story” in any historical documents or references. Those books are about "Jesus sayings." Gospel authors created those narratives. It is also interesting to learn about early church leaders. In order to promote the four gospels, they destroyed as many of those other gospels they could find. Fortunately, a few of those other gospels escaped destruction, which questions the legitimacy of the four NT gospels.

    In the NT gospels, one finds references to Jesus as God in the NT. What if Jesus was God and not the son of God? Most of the NT would be false; it would be a conglomeration of misguided and irrelevant verses. Assuming there is no son of God, the Trinity would also be false. It is not logical to think an eternal God would have a son. If God is eternal, why would part of him (son of God) have a beginning?

    Then, there is Jesus Before The Gospels by Bart D. Ehrman. It explains how the four gospels evolved, from rumors and storytelling to gospel writing. None of the gospel authors were eyewitnesses, knew eyewitnesses, where Jewish, lived near Galilee where Jesus preached, spoke Hebrew, wrote Hebrew, or had known a follower of Jesus. Yet, they wrote as if they knew Jesus and all of his disciples. Ehrman's book is an excellent presentation of academic studies from psychology, anthropology, and sociology about memory, nature of group memories, and oral traditions. The four gospels were written (first by Mark and ending with John) from about 65 to 110 C.E. by men who gathered information from earlier gospels, rumors, oral traditions, and local Christian groups, not from eyewitnesses or other firsthand sources. By the time stories got to them, facts, and, most notably, narratives about Jesus had changed in so many different ways as to seriously question the real story about Jesus.

    Assuming the NT gospels are in error, where do we find the true story about Jesus (God). I propose we find it in Revelation, Chapter 11. The remainder of Revelation is about God's chosen people and attempts by world religions and nations to destroy them.
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    In end times, Islam, the second beast of Revelation will attempt to destroy God’s chosen people. Most people know of the danger Jews face with Islamic nations threatening to destroy Israel. Israel has already fought three major wars with Arab nations to defend itself. There may be, however, one final and devastating war to determine the fate of God’s chosen people. “They will wage war against the Lamb, but the lamb will trump over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings -- and with him will be his called, chosen, and faithful followers.” Rev. 17:14. The "lamb of God" is the Jewish people, not Jesus, the son of God, as Christians claim. Jesus was God, so he could not be the "lamb of God." There is no son of God.
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    Who are Beasts of Revelation?


    Again, I must mention, the gospels and Paul's writings are in error because Jesus was God and not the son of God.

    There have been lot of opinions about the Beasts of Revelation. Many believers have thought the beasts are symbols for world leaders. I propose they don't represent a person, they represent two major world religions. The first Beast (Rev. 13) is a major Christian religion, better known as the Catholic Church. As a Christian religion, it was coming into prominence about the time of John's revelation. The second Beast (Rev. 13) is Islam, a major world religion. As for the number 666, which has garnered much attention, it represents Allah, the god of Islam's holy book, the Koran.

    One may ask why? Isn't Jesus the basis for the Catholic Church? If Jesus, as I have proposed, was God, and not the son of God, then the Catholic Church and all other Christian religions are false. It is sad to imagine there is no son of God (Jesus), and therefore no salvation for accepting a sacrificial lamb as one's savior. There is a specific reference for this defect in the Christian faith. Read the following quote from Revelation about the first Beast. "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole world was amazed and followed the Beast" (Rev. 13:3). The wound represents the false idea that Jesus was the son of God. The error, of course, has huge implications. How many millions of believers have placed their faith wth the son of God for their salvation?

    It is interesting to note the comment about the power of the first Beast. "Everyone worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast." (Rev. 13:4) Assuming Satan is the dragon, we have Satan dominating Christianity. It is difficult to believe, but it may be true. If there is no son of God, there is no salvation for believing in him, so what remains is a false religion. The implication is God's chosen people follow the one true religion. I have always wondered why Judaism was replaced by Christianity. If Jesus was the OT Lord, then Judaism remains as God's religion. Why would God propose Judaism as his religion in the Old Testament and then change his mind and switch to the Christian religion? In many ways, Satan is devious and cunning for attacking and destroying. As for Islam, when Mohammed was in a cave he had an encounter with an angel which began his quest for a new religion. Could that spirit have been Satan? It is a good possibility.

    What about other world religions not accepting Jesus as God, and subsequently Judaism as God's religion? Well, apparently, God is not pleased. "then I heard a loud voice speaking from the temple to the seven angels." "Go and pour out the seven bowls of God's anger on the earth!" (Rev. 16:1)

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    Again, I must mention, the gospels and Paul's writings are in error because Jesus was God and not the son of God.

    There have been lot of opinions about the Beasts of Revelation. Many believers have thought the beasts are symbols for world leaders. I propose they don't represent a person, they represent two major world religions. The first Beast (Rev. 13) is a major Christian religion, better known as the
    Catholic Church. As a Christian religion, it was coming into prominence about the time of John's revelation. The second Beast (Rev. 13) is Islam, a major world religion. As for the number 666, which has garnered much attention, it represents Allah, the god of Islam's holy book, the Koran.

    One may ask why? Isn't Jesus the basis for the Catholic Church? If Jesus, as I have proposed, was God, and not the son of God, then the Catholic Church and all other Christian religions are false. It is sad to imagine there is no son of God (Jesus), and therefore no salvation for accepting a sacrificial lamb as one's savior. There is a specific reference for this defect in the Christian faith. Read the following quote from Revelation about the first Beast. "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole world was amazed and followed the Beast" (Rev. 13:3). The wound represents the false idea that Jesus was the son of God. The error, of course, has huge implications. How many millions of believers have placed their faith with the son of God for their salvation?

    It is interesting to note the comment about the power of the first Beast. "Everyone worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast." (Rev. 13:4) Assuming Satan is the dragon, we have Satan dominating Christianity. It is difficult to believe, but it may be true. If there is no son of God, there is no salvation for believing in him, so what remains is a false religion. The implication is God's chosen people follow the one true religion. I have always wondered why Judaism was replaced by Christianity. If Jesus was the OT Lord, then Judaism remains as God's religion. Why would God propose Judaism as his religion in the Old Testament and then change his mind and switch to the Christian religion? In many ways, Satan is devious and cunning for attacking and destroying. As for Islam, when Mohammed was in a cave he had an encounter with an angel which began his quest for a new religion. Could that spirit have been Satan? It is a good possibility.

    What about other world religions not accepting Jesus as God, and subsequently Judaism as God's religion? Well, apparently, God is not pleased. "then I heard a loud voice speaking from the temple to the seven angels." "Go and pour out the seven bowls of God's anger on the earth!" (Rev. 16:1)


    Concerning the Catholic Church, the first beast of Revelation, we have additional beasts with Protestant churches, sects, and cults. Also, the Christian Trinity is part of the beast insofar as it excludes the God of Israel, or the one and only God of Abraham and Moses. The Trinity, an essential theological attribute of Christianity, is a pagan god; it proposes false ideas about God. In particular, if there is no son of God, there is no Trinity.

    For about two thousand years, Christianity has flourished to become a major world religion while Judaism has faded into obscurity. Did God get it wrong when he declared himself to be the Lord of His chosen people? Apparently, it is the results of overzealous Christians with creative imaginations, willing to do anything to promote a new world religion? In the beginning when God communicated with Abraham, there was no son of God, no holy spirit, just the Lord God. Then when God came into the world as Jesus, humans could not conceive of God's true nature. Even today, humans cannot comprehend God's duality. Everything, including God, must be calibrated based on human perceptions. That may not seem fair, but it may partly explain humans' inability to understanding God.

    Assuming God is a duality, and Jesus was God, the whole story changes. Assuming Jesus talked about Himself as two persons, one may understand how NT authors got it wrong. Then, after church leaders declared a special understanding of Jesus, the Christian movement based on "the son of God" took off. To fit expectations for a new religion, Jesus became the sacrificial lamb for Christianity, thus promising salvation, which has an enormous appeal for new believers. Believe in Jesus, the son of God, be faithful, and you'll be saved! However, what if there is no son of god? In short, Christianity is based on false beliefs. Why is there no mention of the son of God in the Old Testament? Why would God lie to his chosen people? Is Israel a fiction? No, God did not lie. Christian authors of the gospel and Paul and his followers got it wrong. They became the foundation for the "first beast" of Revelation.

    The Holy Spirit is a human invention. It has become convenient for Christian leaders to declare truth in the name of the holy spirit. How many pastors have declared this or that based on what the "Holy Spirit" told them? It must be one of the greatest hoaxes in history. We don't find the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament or in Judaism.

    With new and attractive theologies, Christianity, the first beast, has become an important world religion. Much of Revelation is about the persecution of Jews and the repression of Judaism, God's religion.

    Revelation is also about end times. Islam, the second beast, has caused, and will continue to cause, strife and wars with Israel (Rev. 16). Israel will be attacked and Islamic nations will suffer destruction (Rev. 17), and the world's economy will suffer devastating losses (Rev. 18).

    It is interesting, if you read the Koran, you’ll find numerous references to Old Testament stories, the ones adopted from Jewish holy books. It must be a true case of plagiarism. I wonder if Jews can sue Muslims for stealing their holy stories? Ha. ha.

    My favorite idea about the Koran is when Mohammed went into the cave and saw the angel Gabriel, he really saw Satan. It was Satan’s goal to discredit stories about Jesus because he knew Jesus was God. What better way for Satan to deceive the world than to promote competing religions. With two major religions, Satan has had a powerful means for attacking and destroying God’s chosen people.

    Why has Anti-Semitism been so pervasive? For example, what happened to Christians in Germany when the Nazi Party persecuted and murdered several million Jews? Why didn’t German Christians or Christians from other nations come to the rescue of God’s chosen people? Oh, we know about the allies fighting Germany, but, primarily, they were motivated to defeat Hitler's Third Reich, not to rescue Jews. Then, when Israel began as a nation, where were Christians to assist them? If you read about the heroic deeds of Jews defending themselves against Arab (Muslims) attacks, it is remarkable to note how little support they got from Christians.

    Now, with the second beast (Islam), Satan is assisting Arab nations to destroy Israel (God’s chosen people). If Allah is the one true god, what happened to the Jewish Lord? Does one dismiss miracle stories in Jewish holy books? What is really strange is Allah didn't appear until nearly a thousand years after Jesus (God) was in the world as the Lord. What is the truth? Is there one God or many gods? Based on what I know, God is the OT Lord. Allah is Arabs' answer to the Jewish God. Unfortunately, the deity controversy may never be resolved, it continues to cause conflict and war.

    I believe Revelation was revealed to John as God’s statement about his relationship to humans. I have indicated how the two beasts have offered competing religious to Judaism. I have not, however, completed my statement. I have not discussed Jesus in Revelation and God’s duality. A central theme of Revelation is God’s intolerance for pagan gods, as Old Testament stories indicate.

    When God was in the world as Jesus he was rejected. No one knows the complete story, but what we know is Jesus was declared to be the son of God. It happened after Jesus movement leaders discussed the identity of Jesus. Regardless of whether Christian leaders regarded Jesus as a duality or not, the problem is they didn’t think Jesus was the Old Testament Lord. What they did was define Jesus as the son of God in the Jewish tradition of a sacrificial lamb. By emphasizing the crucifixion of Jesus, Christian leaders offered followers an opportunity for salvation through his sacrifice. It has been the primary reason for the attraction of Christianity.

    We assume when John, the author, wrote Revelation, he didn’t believe Jesus was God. Again, we know religious leaders thought Jesus was the son of God. However, early gospels, the ones prior to the four NT gospels, indicate Jesus was a sage or wise leader. I am in a minority for believing Jesus was God, and God is a duality.

    Revelation describes the life and death of Jesus (God). Assuming the "two witnesses" represents the duality of God, the description of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 is about Jesus (God) and his ministry. Revelation 12 is about angels fighting Satan (dragon) while God was in the world. In both chapters, the time period is the same, 1,260 days (31/2 years). According to historical records and the gospels, the ministry of Jesus lasted about the same time.

    For Revelation’s time period, multiple 42 (Rev.11:1) by 30, the results are 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3). Divide 1,260 days by 365, the results are 31/2 years. The following is John’s story about the ministry of Jesus. I don’t think John believed Revelation 12 was about the death of Jesus. I have taken the liberty to link Chapter 11 to Chapter 12 to described the life and death of God while he was in the world as Jesus.

    “Go and measure the temple of God and the alter and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it because it has been given to the gentiles. They will trample on the city for 42 months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” (Rev. 11:1-3).

    Revelations 11:7-9. “Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze at their bodies and refuse them burial.”

    Revelations 11:11. “But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, ‘come up here.’ And they went up into heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.”

    Revelation 12 is about the woman and the dragon. It is the story about God’s angels fighting Satan while God was in the world as Jesus. Notice the women (God), “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” (Rev. 12:1-2). Note the twelve stars on her head. They represent God’s twelve angels; Satan is the thirteenth angel. Jesus (God) was about to give testimony to His chosen people. Then, Satan threatened Jesus (God).

    “The dragon stood in front of the woman (God) who was about to give birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” (Rev. 12:4-5). The male child represents Jesus (God).

    “The women fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1, 260 days.” (Rev. 12:6). Again, the time in Chapter 11 and 12 is the same, 1,260 days. Both chapters refer to the same event, the time God was in the world as Jesus. Then, Michael, God's General, led the other angels to fight Satan in heaven. "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down---that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan., who leads the whole world astray." (Rev. 12:7-9).

    "When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who gave birth to the male child.” (Rev. 12:13). The child was Jesus (God). “Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring --- those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.” (Rev. 12:17). Thus, we have nearly two thousand years of Anti-Semitism and the holocaust. Today, Jews and Israel, the land God gave to his chosen people, have been the center of Middle East conflict and wars, all of which threatens world peace.

    It is interesting, if you read the Koran, you’ll find numerous references to Old Testament stories, the ones adopted from Jewish holy books. It must be a true case of plagiarism. I wonder if Jews can sue Muslims for stealing their holy stories? Ha. ha.

    My favorite idea about the Koran is when Mohammed went into the cave and saw the angel Gabriel, he really saw Satan. It was Satan’s goal to discredit stories about Jesus because he knew Jesus was God. What better way for Satan to deceive the world than to promote competing religions. With two major religions, Satan has had a powerful means for attacking and destroying God’s chosen people.

    Why has Anti-Semitism been so pervasive? For example, what happened to Christians in Germany when the Nazi Party persecuted and murdered several million Jews? Why didn’t German Christians or Christians from other nations come to the rescue of God’s chosen people? Oh, we know about the allies fighting Germany, but, primarily, they were motivated to defeat Hitler's Third Reich, not to rescue Jews. Then, when Israel began as a nation, where were Christians to assist them? If you read about the heroic deeds of Jews defending themselves against Arab (Muslims) attacks, it is remarkable to note how little support they got from Christians.

    Now, with the second beast (Islam), Satan is assisting Arab nations to destroy Israel (God’s chosen people). If Allah is the one true god, what happened to the Jewish Lord? Does one dismiss miracle stories in Jewish holy books? What is really strange is Allah didn't appear until nearly a thousand years after Jesus (God) was in the world as the Lord. What is the truth? Is there one God or many gods? Based on what I know, God is the OT Lord. Allah is Arabs' answer to the Jewish God. Unfortunately, the deity controversy may never be resolved, it continues to cause conflict and war.

    I believe Revelation was revealed to John as God’s statement about his relationship to humans. I have indicated how the two beasts have offered competing religious to Judaism. I have not, however, completed my statement. I have not discussed Jesus in Revelation and God’s duality. A central theme of Revelation is God’s intolerance for pagan gods, as Old Testament stories indicate.

    When God was in the world as Jesus he was rejected. No one knows the complete story, but what we know is Jesus was declared to be the son of God. It happened after Jesus movement leaders discussed the identity of Jesus. Regardless of whether Christian leaders regarded Jesus as a duality or not, the problem is they didn’t think Jesus was the Old Testament Lord. What they did was define Jesus as the son of God in the Jewish tradition of a sacrificial lamb. By emphasizing the crucifixion of Jesus, Christian leaders offered followers an opportunity for salvation through his sacrifice. It has been the primary reason for the attraction of Christianity.

    We assume when John, the author, wrote Revelation, he didn’t believe Jesus was God. Again, we know religious leaders thought Jesus was the son of God. However, early gospels, the ones prior to the four NT gospels, indicate Jesus was a sage or wise leader. I am in a minority for believing Jesus was God, and God is a duality.

    Revelation describes the life and death of Jesus (God). Assuming the "two witnesses" represents the duality of God, the description of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 is about Jesus (God) and his ministry. Revelation 12 is about angels fighting Satan (dragon) while God was in the world. In both chapters, the time period is the same, 1,260 days (31/2 years). According to historical records and the gospels, the ministry of Jesus lasted about the same time.

    For Revelation’s time period, multiple 42 (Rev.11:1) by 30, the results are 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3). Divide 1,260 days by 365, the results are 31/2 years. The following is John’s story about the ministry of Jesus. I don’t think John believed Revelation 12 was about the death of Jesus. I have taken the liberty to link Chapter 11 to Chapter 12 to described the life and death of God while he was in the world as Jesus.

    “Go and measure the temple of God and the alter and count the worshipers there. But exclude the outer court; do not measure it because it has been given to the gentiles. They will trample on the city for 42 months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” (Rev. 11:1-3).

    Revelations 11:7-9. “Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze at their bodies and refuse them burial.”

    Revelations 11:11. “But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, ‘come up here.’ And they went up into heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.”

    Revelation 12 is about the woman and the dragon. It is the story about God’s angels fighting Satan while God was in the world as Jesus. Notice the women (God), “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” (Rev. 12:1-2). Note the twelve stars on her head. They represent God’s twelve angels; Satan is the thirteenth angel. Jesus (God) was about to give testimony to His chosen people. Then, Satan threatened Jesus (God).

    “The dragon stood in front of the woman (God) who was about to give birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” (Rev. 12:4-5). The male child represents Jesus (God).

    “The women fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1, 260 days.” (Rev. 12:6). Again, the time in Chapter 11 and 12 is the same, 1,260 days. Both chapters refer to the same event, the time God was in the world as Jesus. Then, Michael, God's General, led the other angels to fight Satan in heaven. "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down---that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan., who leads the whole world astray." (Rev. 12:7-9).

    "When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who gave birth to the male child.” (Rev. 12:13). The child was Jesus (God). “Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring --- those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.” (Rev. 12:17). Thus, we have nearly two thousand years of Anti-Semitism and the holocaust. Today, Jews and Israel, the land God gave to his chosen people, have been the center of Middle East conflict and wars, all of which threatens world peace.

    Again, I must mention, the gospels and Paul's writings are in error because Jesus was God and not the son of God.

    There have been lot of opinions about the Beasts of Revelation. Many believers have thought the beasts are symbols for world leaders. I propose they don't represent a person, they represent two major world religions. The first Beast (Rev. 13) is a major Christian religion, better known as the
    Catholic Church. As a Christian religion, it was coming into prominence about the time of John's revelation. The second Beast (Rev. 13) is Islam, a major world religion. As for the number 666, which has garnered much attention, it represents Allah, the god of Islam's holy book, the Koran.

    One may ask why? Isn't Jesus the basis for the Catholic Church? If Jesus, as I have proposed, was God, and not the son of God, then the Catholic Church and all other Christian religions are false. It is sad to imagine there is no son of God (Jesus), and therefore no salvation for accepting a sacrificial lamb as one's savior. There is a specific reference for this defect in the Christian faith. Read the following quote from Revelation about the first Beast. "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have been fatally wounded, but the wound had healed. The whole world was amazed and followed the Beast" (Rev. 13:3). The wound represents the false idea that Jesus was the son of God. The error, of course, has huge implications. How many millions of believers have placed their faith wth the son of God for their salvation?

    It is interesting to note the comment about the power of the first Beast. "Everyone worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast." (Rev. 13:4) Assuming Satan is the dragon, we have Satan dominating Christianity. It is difficult to believe, but it may be true. If there is no son of God, there is no salvation for believing in him, so what remains is a false religion. The implication is God's chosen people follow the one true religion. I have always wondered why Judaism was replaced by Christianity. If Jesus was the OT Lord, then Judaism remains as God's religion. Why would God propose Judaism as his religion in the Old Testament and then change his mind and switch to the Christian religion? In many ways, Satan is devious and cunning for attacking and destroying. As for Islam, when Mohammed was in a cave he had an encounter with an angel which began his quest for a new religion. Could that spirit have been Satan? It is a good possibility.

    What about other world religions not accepting Jesus as God, and subsequently Judaism as God's religion? Well, apparently, God is not pleased. "then I heard a loud voice speaking from the temple to the seven angels." "Go and pour out the seven bowls of God's anger on the earth!" (Rev. 16:1)

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    Concerning the Catholic Church, the first beast of Revelation, we have additional beasts with Protestant churches, sects, and cults. Also, the Christian Trinity is part of the beast insofar as it excludes the God of Israel, or the one and only God of Abraham and Moses. The Trinity, an essential theological attribute of Christianity, is a pagan god; it proposes false ideas about God. In particular, if there is no son of God, there is no Trinity.

    For about two thousand years, Christianity has flourished to become a major world religion while Judaism has faded into obscurity. Did God get it wrong when he declared himself to be the Lord of His chosen people? Apparently, it is the results of overzealous Christians with creative imaginations, willing to do anything to promote a new world religion? In the beginning when God communicated with Abraham, there was no son of God, no holy spirit, just the Lord God. Then when God came into the world as Jesus, humans could not conceive of God's true nature. Even today, humans cannot comprehend God's duality. Everything, including God, must be calibrated based on human perceptions. That may not seem fair, but it may partly explain humans' inability to understanding God.

    Assuming God is a duality, and Jesus was God, the whole story changes. Assuming Jesus talked about Himself as two persons, one may understand how NT authors got it wrong. Then, after church leaders declared a special understanding of Jesus, the Christian movement based on "the son of God" took off. To fit expectations for a new religion, Jesus became the sacrificial lamb for Christianity, thus promising salvation, which has an enormous appeal for new believers. Believe in Jesus, the son of God, be faithful, and you'll be saved! However, what if there is no son of god? In short, Christianity is based on false beliefs. Why is there no mention of the son of God in the Old Testament? Why would God lie to his chosen people? Is Israel a fiction? No, God did not lie. Christian authors of the gospel and Paul and his followers got it wrong. They became the foundation for the "first beast" of Revelation.

    The Holy Spirit is a human invention. It has become convenient for Christian leaders to declare truth in the name of the holy spirit. How many pastors have declared this or that based on what the "Holy Spirit" told them? It must be one of the greatest hoaxes in history. We don't find the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament or in Judaism.

    With new and attractive theologies, Christianity, the first beast, has become an important world religion. Much of Revelation is about the persecution of Jews and the repression of Judaism, God's religion.

    Revelation is also about end times. Islam, the second beast, has caused, and will continue to cause, strife and wars with Israel (Rev. 16). Israel will be attacked and Islamic nations will suffer destruction (Rev. 17), and the world's economy will suffer devastating losses (Rev. 18).

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    To refute accusation for my dreams and religious ideas being lunatic nonsense as described by chesty, here is my reply. It is an account of my dreams and important ideas related to those dreams. It is not nonsense; my dreams happen the way I relate them. Following my dream presentation are my thoughts and interpretations. Readers can disagree or not, but, nevertheless, I am exercising my religious freedom to make a statement.
    My first extraordinary dream was about Paul. He was walking on a dirt road when suddenly a cloud of bright light covered him. Inside the cloud a voice said "Come up to heaven with me." Paul walked away waving his hands in the air. He said, "first I must evangelize the world."
    A few years later I had a dream about an angel. The angel was in the air above thousands of dead soldiers on the ground. The Bible reference is Isaiah 37:36 when an angel of the Lord killed 185,000 Assyrian soldiers of Sennacherib's army encamped around Jerusalem; they had planned to attack and destroy the city. The angel looked up at the Lord and said, "It is done." About the same time, I had a vision about paradise. I was in my backyard when, around me were dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals, above them was God and His angels. In response to the glorious presence of God, dinosaurs made loud trumpeting noises, and other creatures, each in its own way, made affectionate sounds. From that experience, I've concluded paradise was during the dinosaur era. I also think it was when Satan came into the world to turn God's creatures away from him. Science has found evidence for dinosaurs and about 75% of all species disappearing after a large comet or asteroid hit the earth about 65 million years ago. I've posted that story here on a thread entitled "Dinosaurs in Paradise!"

    About four years ago, I had another dream about dinosaurs. In this dream, I was shoveling garbage in a deep, filthy pit. As I shoveled, I looked around and could see dinosaur bones underground throughout the world. A voice said, "Humans have defiled my sacred grave." My interpretation is God is not pleased with humans polluting and disturbing earth. Apparently, God wanted nature to remain unmolested. That is, of course, contrary to Christian ideology about God creating the world for humans, and creating other species for humans' pleasure.

    I have also had a series of dreams about angels and Satan in heaven. I cannot recall exactly, but I think it was about five years ago when I had this dream. I was in heaven looking at angels in circle around God. Two Gods were in a bright glorious sphere. The angels were awe struck as they interacted with the two Gods. An angel would communicate an idea to one God and either it or the other God would respond. Responses by the two Gods were novel, or perhaps unexpected. Apparently, heaven is an eternal party. In the universe, there is evidence for God's duality in nature (two eyes, two ears, two arms, two legs, two pairs of wings, positive and negative charges, matter and anti-matter, forces of gravity, neutrons and protons, quarks and anti-quarks, etc). I believe duality in nature reflects God's character. It also explains what may have happened with stories about Jesus (God). Humans, not understanding God's duality, made up son of God stories.

    Dreams about the Bible, Michael, and Satan's Universe

    In another dream, after the fall of paradise, 65 million years later, God was in heaven when humans began settlements on earth. Apparently, after the fall of Paradise, angels kept God informed about what was happening on earth. Angels told God about a new species dominating earth. God was not pleased and decided to intervene. Subsequently, God Choose Abraham and his descendants to establish His holy authority on earth. I believe angels are God's servants, or, if you will, extensions of His will. I had a dream about the Old Testament. A voice said, "It happened but not that way." Here is my interpretation. Jewish authors, due to misinformation, may have gotten stories wrong, and some events may have been neglected or ignored. Moreover, most of the Old Testament had been written into final form during the Babylonian period several hundred years after important biblical events had occurred. It is also possible that Jewish beliefs about their relationship with the Lord interfered with accurate portrayals.

    I had a dream about the death of Jesus. On a dirt road, two Roman soldiers stood over Jesus on his knees. One soldier was beating Jesus in the face with his fists as the other soldier looked on. In the scene, there were no other people, just a dirt road. Based on this dream, I do not believe Jesus was crucified. There is no mention of the crucifixion of Jesus in gospels written immediately after the death of Jesus. In an earlier copy of the Q gospel used as a source by the four gospel authors there is no mention of the crucifixion. I believe Revelation 11 about the two witnesses is the true story about Jesus. In that story, the two witnesses are Jesus (God). It's interesting; the time period for the two witnesses is 1,260 days, which is about the same time as the ministry of Jesus. In addition, the time the two witnesses lay on the dirt road after being murdered is 31/2 days. "And they went up into heaven in a cloud." (Rev 11:12). That is what happened in the gospel resurrection. Because God is a duality, and Jesus was God, I believe gospel authors made a mistake. Rather than understanding Jesus (God) as a duality, they made him the son of God, as well as God the father.

    My next dream about Paul was about twenty years later. It has been my most detailed supernatural dream. I was walking on a dirt street in an ancient village of stone and brick houses. After a couple of blocks, I turned a corner and walked into a village square where people had gathered. I walked into a small building next to the square where a dozen or more men sat on benches. Paul, wearing a robe, held a bouquet of palm branches and flowers. As he walked round the room, he leaned over chatting with the men. Some of the men came over and gave him palm branches for his bouquet. There was something strange about Paul; he had a shiny baldhead with pieces of transplanted hair. When I awoke, I thought about his shiny baldhead with those hair transplants. It occurred to me his transplanted hairs were symbols of his false epistles. From other dreams, I've learned that Jesus was God and not the son of God. The New Testament is full of errors, including Paul's epistles.

    I've had dreams about God and angels. One dream about heaven was very brief. I saw angels around a sphere with the two Gods inside. Around the sphere, brilliant lights flashed as the two Gods interacted with the angels. In another dream, God had just created an angel. It had the appearance of a brilliant cotton ball. God tossed the angel into heaven. The meaning was clear, the angel was free to roam heaven and do whatever it wanted. After a short while, the angel returned to be close to God. I believe this is important. God gave angels freewill, they could be with him for eternity, or they could go out on their own. Evidently, Satan decided to be independent.

    I had a dream about Satan as a child. I was in heaven when I saw God holding the hand of a small husky boy with a defiant look; both were in human form wearing clothes. I don't believe angels resemble humans, but Satan, as a fledgling angel, was portrayed that way in order that I, a human, would understand. God was leading the defiant boy into heaven. I don't know the order of Satan in the creation of angels. That may be important insofar as it explains a lot about events resulting in Satan's expulsion from heaven. I keep thinking Satan may have been God's first angel, but I am not certain.

    A few years ago, I had another dream about Satan in the middle of a circle of angels. All the angels, including Satan, had fuzzy white bodies. Satan was biting their fluffy feet. One of the angels went to God and said, "He is hurting us!" I had a dream about the angel Michael dressed in a military uniform. He was sitting high up on a throne or chair in a large room with a holy light shining around him. He was wearing a light brown army uniform, the type worn by army generals. He looked supreme confident. A voice said, "This is Michael, God's general." Evidently, Michael is in charge of the other angels in God's war with Satan.

    In my dreams, angels had white fluffy bodies with the rough appearance of humans. In heaven, I believe angels' bodies resemble bright balls of cotton. My theory is they're normally spherical in form. It would make sense that they would have spherical shapes, they're in a heaven where there's no gravity, or physical laws to determine form or substance.

    I had a dream about Satan as a snake. The snake moved slowly toward me, and then it opened its mouth of razor-sharp teeth and lunged. Suddenly, something pulled it away. Later, in another dream, I was standing in heaven in front of a snake about fifteen feet tall with two strips circling its body, one was intensely white and the other was intensely black. As I stared at the snake, its head turned toward me and showed a beautiful face. I think Satan was going through a transition to reflect a shifting disposition of evil. Eventually, after causing more chaos in heaven, Satan became intensely dark. However, he may have also retained his white brilliant glow. It is possible that Satan can appear with a intensely dark appearance, or as a bright white angel. I don't know, it's just a guess.

    In my dream about the universe, Satan was in the form of a parrot's beak; he was attacking other angels. As the beak moved around heaven, it turned toward me. As it came near, God captured it with two hands. Inside the hands there was a lot of commotion as Satan tried to escape. Then, God opened His hands. On the inside of both hands were jagged pieces of black metal, they represented ugly scares on the boundary of the universe from Satan's desperate attempts to escape.

    Since then, I have done some research. Evidently, scientists have found big black holes or anomalies on the boundary of our universe. Some scientists think it is from other universes bouncing off our universe. However, there is no evidence for other universes. Scientists call it "Axis of Evil."

    Dreams about a Heavenly Structure and Israel
    Several years ago, I had a dream about a huge doom-shape structure in heaven. It had a bare bones frame so people inside could see objects outside. In a small section of the dome, it appeared as if only about half the benches were occupied, suggesting there was plenty of room for additional people. People sat alone and in pairs on benches facing outside into heaven. Above the structure, appearing as a large throbbing light was God's holy presence, perhaps larger than the structure. With each throb of God's holy light, the structure vibrated with a "loud thump."
    No one was looking up at God. Instead, they were looking around them inside the dome preoccupied or bored. My interpretation is God would allow millions, or perhaps billions, of people into heaven. However, based on the reaction of people inside the dome-shaped structure, it may not be what they desire.
    I had another dream about the Jewish Diaspora. In the dream, there was loud Jewish music in the ancient land of Israel. Then, as Jews migrated to foreign lands, the music got softer and softer as they spread throughout the world. A few years ago, I had another dream about God and His chosen people. The period was at the time of ancient Israel. A Lord's voice said, "They wouldn't obey my commandments, not one single commandment!" That seems to say a lot about what God requires. Numerous times, throughout the Old Testament, prophets admonish God's people for being stiff-nicked or refusing to obey commandments. Apparently, God doesn't like disobedient subjects.

    My last dream happened a few months ago. I was high in the air looking down at a baby; it appeared to be perfectly still, as if it were a doll. A voice said. "Pick it up and hug it." As I picked it up, I saw several black boxes and one red box around its waste. Suddenly, as I hugged the baby, I realized it was dead. I sobbed uncontrollably. I believe the dead baby represented Israel or God's chosen people. Early in their relationship with God, they fell out of favor. I think it has a lot to do with being obedient to God's commandments. This does not mean however that other religions have replaced Judaism.

    I believe nothing has changed; Jews remain God's chosen people. That may explain why Israel exists. Evidently, God kept His promise. "To your offspring I will give you this land." Genesis 12:7. Certainly, Christianity has not replaced Judaism, it is based on false theology, there is no son of God.

    Dinosaurs in Paradise!

    The following story came from a vision I had about God and angels in paradise with dinosaurs and other creatures. Science has discovered evidence for about 75% all creatures on earth destroyed by an asteroid or comet about 65 million years ago.

    I propose paradise happened before humans came onto the scene. Imagine an ancient world about 65 million years ago with earth covered in lush jungle gardens and dinosaurs and other magnificent creatures. It was a marvelous time for God’s creatures. After millions of years, they had reached the pinnacle of development; the world was now ready for paradise. Pleased with his creation, God froze time on earth. Now, the magnificent creatures would have everlasting life with God and His angels.

    The tragic event happened shortly after God and His angels were in a garden with huge dinosaurs and other creatures. In God’s presence, dinosaurs trumpeted joyfully and large-winged birds flew gracefully chirping songs of adoration. Other creatures, each in their own way, made joyful sounds praising God’s glory and holiness. Suddenly, a mysterious dark object appeared on earth. Creatures squealed in fear and scattered. For Satan, it was a victorious moment. After Satan’s imprisonment in the universe, it was an opportunity to strike back at God.

    Above, dark clouds covered the sky and, below, gloomy shadows and cold air filled gardens, formerly warm from tropical climate. Fearful of the threat, huge dinosaurs stumbled in the murky light. Around them, smaller creatures scurried into garden thickets. Lightning flashed as thunder struck earth with a terrifying roar. Creatures' eternal party with God and His angels was over. They struggled in a new world, one torn by nature’s fury. Volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, capricious weather and storms were now commonplace. Without God’s presence, the world had become a very dangerous place.

    Now, free to roam, Satan turned his wrath on God’s creatures. Satan was prone to cruel outbursts and sadistically treatment of the creatures. They had to make painful adjustments in a forsaken world. Satan terrorized them indulging in vicious attacks and cruel seductions. To end the horror, God made a large asteroid hit earth causing the dinosaurs and many other creatures to become extinct.

    Recently, my wife and I visited an archaeological site in East Utah with dozens of dinosaur bones on a large wall. Paleontologists found them on a mountain ridge while exploring an outcropping of prehistoric bones. Suddenly, as I looked at the ancient bones, a vision of paradise popped into my head. Covering earth was God's holy light. Paradise occurred before the demise of dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures about 65 million years ago. At the time, the entire planet was paradise.

    A Dream about Time and Events: Russian Threat

    Last night (11-29-14), I had an extraordinary dream about time and events on earth. There were many time frames in a long row similar to an old filmstrip. I recall about a dozen frames. Each frame had about a half dozen names and images of nations in vertical order. Images consisted mostly of symbols related to world nations. Nations on each time frame were in hierarchy order based on their positions in relationship to world power struggles. At the top of the frames, names of powerful nations were listed. Each frame had a different configuration of nations and images related to the progression of time. I didn't have enough time to decipher all of the meanings, each time strip was unique as power struggles and world events change. In each frame, there were about a half dozen names and images of nations. My best analogy is a box of children's toys with blocks and various other playthings, except time-frame symbols corresponded to world events and nations. Much of my dream was about recent time frames for struggles between Russia and other nations with the word "Russia" in several frames. On the right side of the time strip approaching current times, the word Russia was moving to the top of the frames. It seemed to be a warning that Russia is becoming a threat to world peace. I got the impression that God knows each time-frame in detail, which includes future time-frames.

    It appeared as if each frame was frozen, nothing could change it. My impression is God cannot, or will not, change world events. I have thought about the length of time for each frame. Each frame may represent events more than time. Perhaps, each frame represented one year, or even less, as advanced technology and trade continues to accelerate the pace of international dependence and changes throughout the world. I am not certain. Most interesting for the time strip was the changing allocation of nations in world power–struggles. I must admit, describing this dream has been a challenge; there were many details with powerful symbols.

    A Vision of God's Duality

    Early today, I closed my eyes while resting. For few seconds, I saw a vision of two small white colored spheres resembling pearls touching each other. I observed the objects to be the same size and color. My interpretation is the two spheres were symbols of God's duality. Both Gods are equal and stay permanently attached. It relates to a dream I had about the two Gods inside a sphere surrounded by angels. Before they created their first angel, the two Gods were perfect companions. Then, they created angels to participate in eternity with them. Since then, all angels, except Satan, have been obedient servants of the two Gods, loving and adoring them for all of eternity.

    Angels and Numbers: Comments

    I also believe there are now twelve angels in heaven, Satan was the thirteenth angel. After Satan attacked the other angels, God created the universe to imprison him. It is interesting how the number twelve plays out with Judaism (twelve tribes) and Christianity (twelve disciples). Then, in the secular world, we have twelve months in the year and two times twelve for a twenty-four-hour day. As for the number thirteen, in most cultures, it is an unlucky number.

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