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    Have God haters taken over the forum?

    If you notice, recent postings on the religion forum have been anti-God, anti-believers, or anti-moral behavior. It appears has if
    God must avoid this forum, moral people are not wanted, and there is to be no debate on moral topics. Has Satan won his war?
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    Satan, assisted by Chesty, is taking over the religious forum. Chesty is highly qualified, he is an Irish gangster with an cruel streak. Chesty lives to attack and make believers miserable. The problem is chesty is only a mortal being. He has begged Satan to make him immortal so he can continue to attack believers until the end of time. Will chesty get his way? Wait and see what the next exciting episode brings!

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    Chesty is dangerous man. He hardly ever reads postings, he is out to start fights and cause trouble. He is what Satan would consider to be a true believer, one whose life is consumed with evil plans and practices.

    If you want evil entertainment, read chesty's postings. Mostly, he hates old people and seeks to cause them harm.
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    Re: Have God haters taken over the forum?

    you say god haters i am assuming you claim to be a god lover!? i mean in the old testament god did MOSTLY HATEFUL THINGS!? at least for man they qualify as hateful things and MANKIND is a MIMIC!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    you say god haters i am assuming you claim to be a god lover!? i mean in the old testament god did MOSTLY HATEFUL THINGS!? at least for man they qualify as hateful things and MANKIND is a MIMIC!!
    I think man did more hateful things before God became upset.

    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    I think the issue with what happened in the Old Testament is directly related to idolatry. God, or, if you will, the two Gods require obedience. When I make reference to God I mean the two Gods, or duality of God. Back then, there were a large number of pagan gods. So, God required His chosen people to eliminate them. It was a case of repeating what had happened in heaven when Satan pretended to be God. The issue has not been resolved. God came into the world as Jesus, and then Christian leaders declared Jesus to be the son of God. Thereafter Jews were persecuted for not believing in the son of God. What a long period of apostasy as people have created more pagan gods. It may seem strange, but if there is no son of God, there is no Christianity. I don't think it will ever be resolved. Humans prefer to make up their own gods rather than accept the one true God.

    As for another issue of God and the OT, God revealed himself to His chosen people, but, mostly, they rejected Him. Based on what I know, it is primarily related to humans wanting God to be what they expect. In my mind it is complicated because it is difficult to extract human beliefs and emotions from what God expects. If it is all about accepting God as He is in heaven, how do we get there when we are humans on earth. For this issue, I believe strong faith is required. Knowing basics about God makes one reject the material world. In order to transcend it all, one must be in the presence of God. My dream about the dome with humans inside below the sphere of God provides a means for humans to be in the presence of God. It is not in this world, and it is not in a world of human creation. It is a possibility requiring complete acceptance of God on His terms with no amendments or alterations. It is the acceptance criteria which makes it difficult for humans.

    Looking at it from God's perspective, it can never be different. It is either Gods' way or no way. From what I know, God is unwilling to change anything about Himself. Assuming God is the only perfect being in existence, humans have no choice but to accept His commandments. In other words, take it or leave it. Leaving it means no existence outside of God, or a temporary existence as one expires from the extinction of material forces.
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    Re: Have God haters taken over the forum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    I think the issue with what happened in the Old Testament is directly related to idolatry. God, or, if you will, the two Gods require obedience. When I make reference to God I mean the two Gods, or duality of God. Back then, there were a large number of pagan gods. So, God required His chosen people to eliminate them. It was a case of repeating what had happened in heaven when Satan pretended to be God. The issue has not been resolved. God came into the world as Jesus, and then Christian leaders declared Jesus to be the son of God. Thereafter Jews were persecuted for not believing in the son of God. What a long period of apostasy as people have created more pagan gods. It may seem strange, but if there is no son of God, there is no Christianity. I don't think it will ever be resolved. Humans prefer to make up their own gods rather than accept the one true God.

    As for another issue of God and the OT, God revealed himself to His chosen people, but, mostly, they rejected Him. Based on what I know, it is primarily related to humans wanting God to be what they expect. In my mind it is complicated because it is difficult to extract human beliefs and emotions from what God expects. If it is all about accepting God as He is in heaven, how do we get there when we are humans on earth. For this issue, I believe strong faith is required. Knowing basics about God makes one reject the material world. In order to transcend it all, one must be in the presence of God. My dream about the dome with humans inside below the sphere of God provides a means for humans to be in the presence of God. It is not in this world, and it is not in a world of human creation. It is a possibility requiring complete acceptance of God on His terms with no amendments or alterations. It is the acceptance criteria which makes it difficult for humans.

    Looking at it from God's perspective, it can never be different. It is either Gods' way or no way. From what I know, God is unwilling to change anything about Himself. Assuming God is the only perfect being in existence, humans have no choice but to accept His commandments. In other words, take it or leave it. Leaving it means no existence outside of God, or a temporary existence as one expires from the extinction of material forces.

    Wouldn't it have been a lot better for God to have created humans to be perfect, the way God wants them and have them know he is their creator. The way the world is shows me God is cruel, very cruel. Many many humans suffer terribly in this world. It's a hard pill to swallow. I realize everyone comes up with all of the reasons God created man and this earth the way he did but I just can't believe all of it. Everyone just twists and turns everything about God, heaven and Gods wishes so that it fits their way of wanting it to be.

    Why have Earth if there's a Heaven that is beautiful and you live eternally in bliss? Why not just have some humans in Heaven for God to play with or be grand master over? Why Earth with all it's evil and pain? When you see the suffering some humans go through over in the third world countries it's difficult to believe there's a God that loves them. I could go on and on but believing in God and eternal life after you die if you do things right is very very difficult to think it's all true.

    Also why such imperfect humans. Humans have birth defects, disease, mental health issues etc. Why did God mess that up? Why not perfect humans for a perfect world and eliminate all the pain and suffering?

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    Re: Have God haters taken over the forum?

    I've often thought the only way a human will make it to Heaven is to be a Monk that doesn't talk, stay to yourself, devote your entire life to God and you might make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    I've often thought the only way a human will make it to Heaven is to be a Monk that doesn't talk, stay to yourself, devote your entire life to God and you might make it.
    John 14:6 has the answer.

    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    You don't ask to come into this world. A baby is born, lives where nobody is well educated, all are poor and suffers terribly. Ends up stealing, sick and living a life of sin because this person has never known any better. Do you realize how many humans there are in that kind of situation? Now that's something for a Christian God to be proud of. Humans have most or all of it all wrong as far as our creator goes, I believe in a creator, I can call it God but Religion and the Bible just does not fit. You can meditate and get inner peace which is what humans are striving for through a Religion.

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    Re: Have God haters taken over the forum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    John 14:6 has the answer.

    You'll need to explain the answer I read it and don't get the answer I'm looking for. Seems to me it's saying if you believe in Christ you'll go to Heaven.

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    Let's have Bible study, Chesty can come and join in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    You'll need to explain the answer I read it and don't get the answer I'm looking for. Seems to me it's saying if you believe in Christ you'll go to Heaven.
    As I understand it, that is the answer you are seeking.

    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    David Bentley Hart, have any of you heard of him or know about his beliefs as far as who God is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    David Bentley Hart, have any of you heard of him or know about his beliefs as far as who God is?
    Isn't he the person who wrote his own distorted version of the new testament?
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Hey, I'll discuss, but please no chesty. He has already made up his mind, and he is very hostile. I can deal with it, but why bother?

    PeggySue raised some really good questions. I have thought a lot about it. Based on my dreams about digging garbage out of of a deep filthy hole, I conclude God is not happy with humankind. Then, seeing dinosaur bones underground on every continent, and God's comment, "humans have defiled my holy grave," I understand we are collateral damage from the fall of paradise. In general, except for Satanism, religion doesn't agree with negative views about humans. I certainly am not in a good position to promote my ideas. It is what it is!

    However, based on my dream about God's chosen people not obeying His commandments, I conclude it is all about obedience. In other words, God gave humans an opportunity for salvation, but they have failed the "obedience" test. Well, I have pondered, why so strict? Isn't there a chance. Well, according to Revelation, there is a holy city for humans. So, what's going to happen. I don't know, but I keep thinking about the "obedience" issue. If humans choose to be independent from God, there is no salvation. So, how do you define independence? From what I gather from OT stories and my dreams, it is by strict rules. I don't think there is much room for deviation, maybe none. If you follow the argument, you can see how it goes. If you deviant thus and so, what is to prevent you from deviating more, and more, to create a world apart from God. In heaven, Satan attempted to be God by forming a worship circle with the other angels, but it didn't work! How much deviation is allowed? That is the most important question for salvation.

    If you follow the logic of the argument you come to the same conclusion, "no deviation." If humans were allowed to make up their own rules, invent other gods, etc. how would it be?
    In the first place, it would deviate from God's holiness. How can you be holy, invent holy worlds, or in any way be holy, without God? I think you need to understand holiness to see where this is going. In my limited experiences I have seen a speck of holy light, it is extraordinary. It replaces all living matter and energy, it is a separate category of existence. It is pure spirit, without matter or energy so as to be other worldliness. Understanding holiness by observing a speck of holiness opens up the whole issue. So, in heaven we have holy sparks everywhere, there is only bright white light. It is interesting, in a dream about Satan, I saw a tall snake with black and white swirling strips, both colors strikingly vivid. Satan was going through a transition from holiness to dark forbidding evil. Then, observe the universe, it is a dangerous place with exploding stars and cold dark space.

    I have experienced Satan. He threw me down a stairs, I suffered seven broken ribs, a broken collar bone, and head fractures. If it weren't for ambulance care, I would have died. My injuries were so suffer as to puzzle medical specialists. Doctors kept asking me to describe what happened. They couldn't understand how it could have happen with such a short fall. Satan tossed me with great force against the front door. So, I have a direct experience with Satan. It may happen again, I don't know. It may be related to yapping away about what I know. I know a lot about Satan, probably more than Satanists. Throughout human history, Satan has stirred up wars, rebellion, deviant behavior and crime. I think Satan has been the prototype for pagan gods. I posted a description of Satan on my dreams thread. His face was distorted with a long ugly stretched chin and dark penetrating eyes. I don't really know why Satan has pestered me so much, it is not easy to understand.

    If you understand the differences between earth and heaven, you gain a better understanding of God, heaven, and the human condition. Again, I understand human arguments and objections to my observations. For most of my life I was a Christian. Now, I am a different person based on my experiences. I continue to attend church with my wife, but I don't discuss what I know, it is too controversial. Well, that's it for now. It is time for chesty to come onto the forum and blast away. I am working on a plan to ignore him, but I keep jumping into the fray. It is best for me to give it up, it is a waste of time.

    Contrary to what many of you may think, I don't have a lot of vested interest in my religious postings. I think it has a lot to do with pride, not any desire to evangelize. I think, I posted it, so why should I allow it to be attacked. I do believe my dreams and a few visions have been accurate. It is consequences which have caught up with me. If my threads disappear, I may be irritated, but not upset inasmuch as I know they don't have much credibility. How can one compete with the Bible? Much of it is correct, but, as I have learned, it is not entirely accurate. Mostly, the OT doesn't work because Jesus was God and not the son of God. It may not really matter insofar as humans don't obey God's Commandments. One of my most important discoveries is God is a duality. I don't know why that idea didn't pop up in the Bible, but, I know with certainty, it is true. Perhaps, the idea is too foreign for the human mind to comprehend.
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