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    Re: Obedience: Godís Prerequisite for Salvation.

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    that was a DREAM ALRIGHT!! everyone obeys a god all the time!! cant get away from that 1!!
    Evidently, you live in a dream world or Disney Land. Hardly, anyone obeys good any of the time. Where do you find heaven on earth?

    Evidently, you live in a dream world or Disney Land. Hardly, anyone obeys good any of the time. Where do you find heaven on earth?

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    Yes, everyone does their own thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    that was a DREAM ALRIGHT!! everyone obeys a god all the time!! cant get away from that 1!!
    No comprehend.

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    I believe "obedience" is the most important aspect for salvation because it reflects what heaven is all about. In the beginning, before a single creature was created, the two Gods were togeather in a holy sphere in heaven. It is difficult to imagine, but it is where it all began. The two Gods decided to share their companionship and holy interactions, so they created angels. It was a glorious time for the two Gods when angels surrounded them in a holy circle. The key for any discussion about God's creatures is they have freewill. It was when Satan decided to be a god that everything went crazy. If God made creatures to be like robots, there would be no problems in heaven, it would be like a well oiled maching without deviation or anomolies. Humans are living in the aftermath of Satan's rebellion. It is a long story, but the key idea for understanding how things went off track, and what is going on in the world, is OBEDIENCE. And the main reason for the human condition is first Satan, and then humans, making wrong choices.

    The framework for understand the human condition is the Bible. It is of course, my opinion, but it is not contradictory to the Old Testament. God said he wanted his chosen people to obey his commandments. Then, it went off track, most of humanity chose pagan gods. God had hoped for a universal conversion to his religion, the one He had given to His chosen people. Instead, people made up religions, or changed religions for their own purposes. It seems to be what humans do, they invent pagan gods because they don't like to be obedient to the one true God, the God of Abraham.

    If you read Revelation with one important symbolic interpretation, you will find the true story about God and the consequences of disobedience. Assuming them "lamb of God" means God's chosen people, and not the Christian Jesus, the entire book takes on a different meaning, one totally different than tradition interpretations. Now, with this new perspective, read Revelation. You will have an insight into the consequences of people disobeying God with pagan interpretations, which has changed the focus from Judaism to Christianity. Assuming Jesus was God, and not the son of God, and God came into the world for his people, and therefore his religion, what happened after the death of Jesus was for leaders of the new religion to disregard Judaism in favor Christianity, a new pagan religion.
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    We have legends, myths and modern day stories of the hereafter, but no one really knows. There seems to be no alternative but God's world. Let us suppose you die and go to heaven. What would you want? First, you see the two Gods in a sphere and are amazed at the phenomena of their holy beauty and the way they interact with angels around them. Then you look around at angels. What are they doing? They are mesmerized by the two Gods. Flashes of bright light shoot from their holy bodies. Would you stay or would you wonder around heaven looking for other ways to occupy yourself? What would you do without God? That is the key question for salvation. If you reject God, there is no alternative, you cease to exist. I think the reason for there may be no humans in heaven is because God knows they don't want to be with Him. Humans are independent; they seek lives apart from God.

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    It is very interesting what the world wants from God and heaven. Almost nothing about God and heaven is acceptable to people. I have direct evidence of everyone's hostility toward God and the supernatural. Every since I posted my dreams and about God and heaven I have had negative comments. Everyone knows about chesty and others who have made hostile remarks and threatened my life. It appears most people want a fairyland God where they get a lot of goodies, or where there're wonderful guarantees. Christianity is a good example of a fairyland religion. Catholic Saints are so powerful one can pray to them for just about anything, heaven is guaranteed with proper respect for church rules, and one can look forward to being in heaven with friends and relatives forever!

    I would be popular if I had lied to everyone about what I have learned from my dreams. In one case when I posted my dreams on the forum after a particular person's suggestion, I was reprimanded. How dare I associate that person with my dreams! I continue to be vigilant after enduring hostile remarks and threats. Lexx has been apoplectic every since I posted my dreams. He, like other Satanists, has a case against God. How dare God do this or that, and why can't I have my way!

    Again, my most revealing dream has been about obedience. In a dream about God's chosen people in ancient times, a voice said, "they didn't obey my commandments, not one single commandments." I believe that dream sums up the problem for humans. Obedience is not what most people want, they want independence from God, and, yet, they want everlasting life. It is the conditions which humans propose which are unacceptable to God. Oh, I should again declare, almost nothing about the supernatural is verifiable. It is faith based subject.

    Have a nice day.

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    I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about obedience to God. I don't think it means God is a dictator so no matter what people want, they must do what God requires.

    No, it is related to the duality of God. Before God created the first angel, He (it) was, or were, two Gods in a sphere. So, the two Gods were eternal companions. I don't think they were bored, they just wanted to share their companionship, so they created angels. The purpose of angels was to interact with the two Gods as they interacted with them. Instead of the two Gods sharing exchanges in a sphere, or next to one another, they allowed angels to experience interactions, and, perhaps, interact with them. Basically, all exchanges in heaven are about the two Gods interacting with each other and angels around them. God did not create heaven for all creatures to have a separate world, one similar to an earthly existence.

    If a heavenly creature is not in the presence of God, what would be the purpose? Again, assuming God created angels, or creatures, to partake of heavenly interactions, there would be no existence in heaven apart from being in the presence of God. On the forum, I posted a dream about people being in a giant sphere in heaven where they could be apart of the two Gods interaction in the sphere, or between one another. The problem for humans was, in the dream, people sitting on benches in the huge sphere were bored with God above them interacting. In the dream, a loud thumbing noise and holy light came from the sphere, it was the two Gods interacting. The problem was people in the giant sphere seemed to be bored or uninterested in what was happening with the two Gods in the sphere.

    In short, a creature of God is obedient as a consequence of partaking of "loving interactions" of the two Gods. If the creature rejects the two Gods and their holy interactions, there is no other possibility for existence. The consequences of this "definition of obedience" is Gods' creatures cannot have mortality without being in their presence. We know, of course, angels in heaven have been sent to earth by the two Gods as messengers or to perform heavenly functions. Angels, don't operate or function apart from God's will or purpose. When Satan separated from God to form a separate worship circle, the first, and probable last, rebellion in heaven occurred. Much of the Old Testament can be interpreted as God requiring His chosen people to obey his will, which means for them to accept Him without question, amendment, or rebellious demands. It may seem to be a strict set of rules for God's creatures, but when understood In the context of "God's purpose," it is understandable. Symbolism for this idea is found with the "Ark of the Covenant" where the two Gods are next to one another. In heaven, there would be a sphere with the two Gods surrounded by angels. For a biblical story about Jesus (God) in our world, see Revelation 11 about the "two witnesses."
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    Re: Obedience: Godís Prerequisite for Salvation.

    cnance wants YOU to OBEY his god of a president , TRUMP!! so if you cower and promise to FOLLOW all his COMMANDS you will be SPARED the misfortunes of his WRATH!! this is why so many RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WORSHIP tRUMP like cnance!! tRUMP has WELCOMED them into his FLOCK of gullible FOOLS!!
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    Re: Obedience: Godís Prerequisite for Salvation.

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    cnance wants YOU to OBEY his god of a president , TRUMP!! so if you cower and promise to FOLLOW all his COMMANDS you will be SPARED the misfortunes of his WRATH!! this is why so many RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WORSHIP tRUMP like cnance!! tRUMP has WELCOMED them into his FLOCK of gullible FOOLS!!
    Evidently, lexx is possessed with so much hatred for President Trump that he cannot help himself. He must attack all those who voted for Trump. Wow, he has a lot of hateful retribution to keep him busy. I've heard lexx wakes up in the middle of the night yelling, "I hate Trump!" So Sad!
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    Re: Obedience: Godís Prerequisite for Salvation.

    nobody obeys your GOOD god rules cuz god's people have fallen in with the LAW and JUDGING!LIKE YOU!!
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    Re: Obedience: Godís Prerequisite for Salvation.

    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    nobody obeys your GOOD god rules cuz god's people have fallen in with the LAW and JUDGING!LIKE YOU!!
    They aren't my rules, they are found in the Bible. It is a moral issue. I guess you don't believe in morality. In your world, it is everyone for him or herself. Without morality, there would be daily warfare and a hoard of fighting people. I suppose that is your world. So Sad. As for posting on the religious forum. I post what I please!
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