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    you take it OUT OF CONTEXT!! all forms of GOV are dictatorships to marx!!The dictatorship of the proletariat originally was conceived by Karl Marx (1818–83) as a dictatorship by the majority class. Because Marx regarded all governments as class dictatorships, he viewed proletarian dictatorship as no worse than any other form of government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    you take it OUT OF CONTEXT!! all forms of GOV are dictatorships to marx!!The dictatorship of the proletariat originally was conceived by Karl Marx (1818–83) as a dictatorship by the majority class. Because Marx regarded all governments as class dictatorships, he viewed proletarian dictatorship as no worse than any other form of government.
    You just make it up, you are a BS artist. You have not read Marx, so you lie!


    Indicate the Marxist reference for "he viewed proletarian dictatorship as no worse than any other form of government," We have a problem. I know what Marx wrote because I have read it. You have not read what Marx wrote, so you BS. It is a waste of everyone's time to read ignorant postings.
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    unfortunately my last comments are NOT my own AKA NOT made up!! oh well here read about communism as it should be!! not as it WAS or FEARED!!

    https://www.alternet.org/2019/01/why...nd-capitalism/
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    unfortunately my last comments are NOT my own AKA NOT made up!! oh well here read about communism as it should be!! not as it WAS or FEARED!!

    https://www.alternet.org/2019/01/why...nd-capitalism/
    So, you post a distraction because you really don't know what Marx wrote, nor do you read postings about communist atrocities. You are really slick, just a BS artist.

    I posted an argument based on what Marx wrote, and then I posted the consequences of what he wrote, which is the record of communist atrocities. You post a lot of BS. Oh, you might make a really good Marxist, they lie and distort a lot. Keep it up, I hear China is looking for members for its corrupt regime to promote communism. ha. ha.
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    oh and BY THE WAY you listed VENEZUELA as COMMUNIST which is NOT TRUE!! shows how FACTUAL you are!! you constantly exaggerate and mislead based on your PUNDIT/BIAS KNOWLEDGE!! your like tRUMP!! an EXPERT on ANYTHING he decides to CHANGE!! Venezuela is a federal presidential republic. The chief executive is the President of Venezuela who is both head of state and head of government. Executive power is exercised by the President. Legislative power is vested in the National Assembly.
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    I prefer to stay with the thread topic, and I am against stupid BS.

    You can't defend communism by saying they didn't do it right. History has spoken, so there is evidence! In so many ways communism can be condemned. It can be condemned based on political, religious, or economic criteria, or, the most important criteria, on the basis of "Humanitarianism." If you carefully study the premises of Marxism, you will discover Marx was not an intellectual giant. Read Marx with an open mind, and with a keen ability to critique. You will find, Marx errored in his historical analysis. His "social class analysis" was flawed because he failed to take into consideration "human nature." In the real world, there is no such thing as equality, so why propose a theory for "social class conflict" resulting in one social class (communism) when, it is impossible to achieve? Marx made his first big theoretical mistake by condemning social stratification, both past and present societies. In the real world, social stratification is a normal condition which cannot be denied or refuted, it is a natural condition of human societies.
    Communism will never, and can never, work!


    Again, I need to repeat the horrendous facts of communism. The world would have been better if Marx had not been born. Yes, communism is that bad.
    You must lie, or distort reality,
    in order to make an argument for communism!

    https://www.historyandheadlines.com/...-worse-hitler/

    https://www.toptenz.net/10-brutal-re...viet-union.php

    https://news.stanford.edu/2010/09/23...nocide-092310/
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    just like RELIGION will NEVER WORK!? besides it's a PROCESS that CANT BE SPED UP!! which what happens when dictators try to use it!? and how EASY it is to PLAY to HUMAN NATURE as you call it!! con men like tRUMP have made a name for themselves with their PLEAS to human nature!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    just like RELIGION will NEVER WORK!? besides it's a PROCESS that CANT BE SPED UP!! which what happens when dictators try to use it!? and how EASY it is to PLAY to HUMAN NATURE as you call it!! con men like tRUMP have made a name for themselves with their PLEAS to human nature!!
    Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production. It allows individuals to own and operate their own business or trade while also promoting open competition and free market. While it complements individual rights and the concept of democracy, critics have argued that this system creates an environment susceptible to conflict.

    However, there is inequality in capitalism according to Karl Marx. This because it creates a discord between the working class or proletarians and the capitalists or bourgeois . From the discussion above, he argued that this inequality is a result of the inherent creation of the social classes under a capitalistic economic arrangement, the resulting struggle or conflict between these two classes due to competing interests, and the unfair distribution of profit and surplus as supported by property rights.

    Based on “The Communist Manifesto” and “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy,” it is worth mentioning that the aversion of Marx against capitalism coincides with his support for socialism and communism. This alternative socio-political and economic system centers on the equal distribution of profit by removing the individual right to own the means of production. In other words, ownership is equally distributed among the members of the society.

    http://www.versiondaily.com/inequality-in-capitalism-according-to-karl-marx/

    Here we have "pure" Marxian argument for the destruction of Capitalism. We should however carefully examine the logic or realistic implications of the argument.

    Lets take a real life example of social differences and there actions in the real world. Let's take a random sample of students from athletic classes of a senior high school class. We put them on the field in two football teams. After several games whereby we have winners and losers, we select the best athletes for one team and the least qualified athletes for the second team. Now, we have another series of games with the two teams, one highly qualified and the other less qualified. You know the results! The team with the best athletes wins the games.

    Now, let us take another situation for a "competitive market game" with two industrial teams. We randomly select managers and workers for two teams and let them compete. It is predictable, we have inconsistent outcomes, both teams have chances of winning, but neither team gains a real advantage.

    Now select two teams based on abilities, education, skills, and experience. As expected, the most qualified workers and managers make the best products and therefore gain profit share in a free market society.

    Assuming a Marxian analysis, what do we have? Well, according to Marx, the winning company, even though best qualified, becomes evil "capitalists" (bourgeoisie) and must be overthrown by unsuccessful companies operated by a uneducated, unskilled, and inexperienced labor force (proletariat). It is the way Marxists think! They don't factor into account the consequences of real life situations. In Marx's time, those situations existed. Workers couldn't be owners or managers, and owners and managers did what was required to make "capitalism" work. It is true however that life situations are relevant, but not so important as to instigate a "revolution."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    You are really slick, just a BS artist.
    Another successful diagnosis.

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    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    i have NO problem with QUALITY and EFFICIENCY as long as it does NOT DEPRIVE ANY of those who wish to take part in it's enjoyment!! marx did NOT specify somebody should do what they are NOT good at!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    i have NO problem with QUALITY and EFFICIENCY as long as it does NOT DEPRIVE ANY of those who wish to take part in it's enjoyment!! marx did NOT specify somebody should do what they are NOT good at!!
    lexx is so biased he can't read. He just makes up a lot of BS!

    Let us not waste a lot of time. Stick with facts of my argument against communism. Otherwise, it is a fools game of arguing without evidence. Where is your factual argument, based on comparisons with communist governments?


    I will continue to post facts for horribleness of communism. Apparently, you think you can convince everyone with spurious, or false arguments. Where are the facts for the wonderfulness of communism?

    Most of what I have posted about the failure of communism is directly related to the horrific loss of life by mass murder, executions, and general deprivation of large populations. In short, assuming the criteria for evaluation is human misery and loss of life, communism is an abomination. You cannot find comparable negatives for capitalism! Therefore, there is no rational, or humane, argument for communism.


    See post #509


    In case you forgot, here are those links. It is evidence!

    https://www.historyandheadlines.com/...-worse-hitler/

    https://www.toptenz.net/10-brutal-re...viet-union.php

    https://news.stanford.edu/2010/09/23...nocide-092310/

    In particular, we find a horrendous record of mass killings under communist governments.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_k...munist_regimes

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    nobody here is proposing we ENACT a DICTATORSHIP in the USA!! well, unless we consider tRUMP SUPPORTERS!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    nobody here is proposing we ENACT a DICTATORSHIP in the USA!! well, unless we consider tRUMP SUPPORTERS!!
    The thread is about communism, not Trump. One reason why this forum lacks activity is because you dominate threads with stupid, unrelated, and often nonsensical comments.

    Soon, everyone but you will be gone. Then, you can talk to yourself, ha. ha.
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    your entitled to your PREJUDICED opinion!! i get all my INFO from national news and independently accredited sources!! i personally seek all the BEST qualities of all political views!! what ever works to produce the BEST PUBLIC RESULT!! your so called IDEALISTIC FREE MARKET capitalism will NEVER EXIST as long as capital is in sole possession of private parties!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx View Post
    your entitled to your PREJUDICED opinion!! i get all my INFO from national news and independently accredited sources!! i personally seek all the BEST qualities of all political views!! what ever works to produce the BEST PUBLIC RESULT!! your so called IDEALISTIC FREE MARKET capitalism will NEVER EXIST as long as capital is in sole possession of private parties!!

    Correction, you get yours news from prejudicial liberal media, the hate Trump idiots.

    What are " IDEALISTIC FREE MARKET capitalism?" Capitalism is the free market where business people and investors make goods and services for profit. Evidently, being a freeloader, ha. ha. , you can't stand the idea. You want government to control everything for the "benefit" of freeloaders, or those who don't profit from capitalism. So, if capitalism is so bad, what do you propose? Nothing remains except inefficient socialism or communism!
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    your a FREELOADER IDIOT!! there is NO PROOF i FREELOAD!! and COMMUNISM has NOTHING to do with FREELOADING!! any SANE PERSON can SEE HOW CROOKED and DEVIOUS tRUMP IS!! although by my own definition, that LEAVES YOU OUT!!
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