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    Case study in stupidity

    I just read this over at the 12daily Pro forum:

    "We cannot pay off bills and make money on 12DP at the same time. We have to put bills on hold and make money, then after a couple months get a little ahead so we can pay. But we still have to buy food and gas weekly. Can't avoid those expenses! So I have to take the upper hand and put in the upgrades and tell people "look we don't have it," screen all phonecalls, and I've even had to threaten a couple bill collectors with lawsuits! But by and by we will get ahead somehow, and 12DP is helping in that direction."

    I personally have warned this hapless fool that 12daily Pro is a Ponzi set to fold at any moment but simply received vitriolic abuse back. As a direct result of his stupidity he will find himself penniless and deeply in debt, and likely homeless (again!) too. I believe his wife is pregnant as well. Who's going to pay to support that child? Not 12daily Pro, that's for sure!
    Last edited by Ponzi Nemesis; 11-17-2005 at 06:00 PM.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    Well all get it Ponzi, you think 12Dailypro is a ponzi scam, splendid. How much more time are you going to spend spamming these forums with your childish ramblings? Everyone has explained to you they know the risk they are taking, and most will walk away with 12DP with a hefty profit. But for the hell of it, tell me Ponzi what am I doing wrong I've made $$ USD 1,370 in pure profit from 12DailyPro. What should I do now? I'm so worried im going to lose all my money in this ponzi scam, help me.

    Idiot.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    UNDERMINE, i don't want to assume anything, but i hope for you that you have made that profit legally, joining a legal program. The issue here it is not about getting paid or not: you can get paif also pushing crack, but this does not make it legal. If 12dailypro was a ponzi scheme, you have made that money illegally. Time will tell, in one way or another. Hope you will not call me an idiot, for a simple consideration.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    LIAR LIAR!! Ponzi fryer, when you get caught well set your pants on fire!!!

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    What's the Government going to do, take the money back from me? Don't think so. Are they going to crack down on hundreads of thousands of people who put money in 12DP, don't think so.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    Does the fact that the government will not take ur money back make you a better man if you knew that you are participating in an illegal program? Does this give you the right to call posts from people concerned about legitimacy of a program "childish ramblings"? Are you telling me that if i was sure not to be caught i could sell crack to your children and being cool? Nothing personal...just to understand your point of view.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    Quote Originally Posted by FairTradeAuthority
    Does the fact that the government will not take ur money back make you a better man if you knew that you are participating in an illegal program? Does this give you the right to call posts from people concerned about legitimacy of a program "childish ramblings"? Are you telling me that if i was sure not to be caught i could sell crack to your children and being cool? Nothing personal...just to understand your point of view.

    First of, if 12DP does turn out to be a Ponzi scam it's not the investors fault but the people who ran the company. I didn't know this program was illegal, no one told me it was. It's not my fault, the government has absolutely no legal action against me, nor will they invest the time needed to recover the lost funds. Any money made or lost is pocket change to the Federal Government. That's like saying the government will crack down on someone for pirating music, that'll be the day. 12DPFACTS a.k.a Ponzi Nemesis,ect is not concerned about the legitimacy of the program he's concerned with getting repercussions for his lost money due to breaking rules of 12DP management so he's on a campaign to drive down the reputation of 12DP. He's a liar, fraud, and nothing more. Lastly, don't make a comparison of investing in 12DP and me selling crack to your children and not being caught. If you want to make stupid comparisons 12DailyPro is like the stock market or any Casino I make money from people losing it, I must be doing something illegal.
    Last edited by Undermine; 11-18-2005 at 02:00 AM.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    No UNDERMINE, a casino is legal, stock exchange is legal, a ponzi scheme is not legal: it is illegal, like selling crack; so, the wrong comparison is yours, not mine.
    About knowing or not knowing, the law does not care if you knew or did not knew: if you join an illegal activity you are a complix and you are subjected to legal action, you like it or now. I haven't made the law, sorry. About ponzinemesis, i don't care who he is and why he posts against 12dailypro or other autosurf programs: the post is about 12dailypro and autosurf programs, not about ponzi nemesis.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    Selling drugs is legal where I live. I guess then I should sell drugs? I'd have some problems doing that, and I don't see how it remotely compares to an autosurf on the morality scale you seem to be using.

    Autosurfs are also legal here. They seem to be also in the United States, or if not, your government hasn't gone to great lengths outlawing them.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    COMPLEXXKID, i don't know where you live and i don't care really. As i don't care about morality...anybody has its own. I am talking about the law. Autosurf programs are legal in the US, yes, ponzi schemes are not. For what they claim in their websites, the autosurf programs that we are talking about seem to pay old members with money coming from new members and this is a ponzi scheme, which is illegal in the US. If that is not the case, i wonder why nobody behind autosurf programs come finally out after 3 years and explain to us where do they get the money from and especially why they don't disclose who they are and where they operate. I know that you will not answer, but i will ask you anyway: can an autosurf program generate a 12% daily profits just running a software hitting other members websites in the background? If you answer me yes, please, explain me how. If 12% looks exaggerated to you, change it with a 0.01%.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    Quote Originally Posted by FairTradeAuthority
    COMPLEXXKID, i don't know where you live and i don't care really. As i don't care about morality...anybody has its own. I am talking about the law. Autosurf programs are legal in the US, yes, ponzi schemes are not. For what they claim in their websites, the autosurf programs that we are talking about seem to pay old members with money coming from new members and this is a ponzi scheme, which is illegal in the US. If that is not the case, i wonder why nobody behind autosurf programs come finally out after 3 years and explain to us where do they get the money from and especially why they don't disclose who they are and where they operate. I know that you will not answer, but i will ask you anyway: can an autosurf program generate a 12% daily profits just running a software hitting other members websites in the background? If you answer me yes, please, explain me how. If 12% looks exaggerated to you, change it with a 0.01%.
    FTA
    Are you still pretending you are a lawyer? I thought you would have gone back to website design. How is that site of yours going? Still flogging off fake website certification or did NetIBA beat you to the punch?

    Show me the legal statute that says Ponzi schemes are illegal. Show me one person who has been convicted of the crime of 'running a Ponzi scheme'. And finally prove that autosurfs are Ponzi schemes. I am talking about law here and not Wikipedia definitions.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    Quote Originally Posted by ozilinx
    Show me the legal statute that says Ponzi schemes are illegal. Show me one person who has been convicted of the crime of 'running a Ponzi scheme'. And finally prove that autosurfs are Ponzi schemes. I am talking about law here and not Wikipedia definitions.
    How about the the Securities and Exchange Commission - http://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm

    And as for someone has been convicted or running a Ponzi scheme.. well, you can start with Charles Ponzi himself.

    ozilinx your argument is stupid. Ponzi schemes are criminal enterprises. People who knowingly put money into these schemes in order to defraud others are accessories to the crime.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    Quote Originally Posted by FairTradeAuthority
    COMPLEXXKID, i don't know where you live and i don't care really. As i don't care about morality...anybody has its own. I am talking about the law.
    Since you seem to know so much about the law,i guess i have no option than to contract you and ponzi to please file a case against these irritant called 12dailypro.

    MY COMPLAINTS


    1. I joined and upgraded on 12dp on the 16th/9/2005,
    got paid 6/10
    got paid 2nd tme on 18/10/2005 on my 2nd upgrade
    got paid 3rd time on 25/10/2005 on my 3rd upgrade
    got paid 4th time on 4/11/2005 on my 4th upgrade
    got paid 5th time on 12/11.2005 on my 5th upgrade
    And i'm awaiting another due payment the 6th, already posted and may be paid any moment from now.

    Now please,i have to be honest with you that i'll have to pay you guys from the proceeds from 12dp... Are you on? Idiots!

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    You should read my posts more carefully...you obviously didn't and you obviously are not interested in doing it. Keep up the good job and get rich for me too! An idiot.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

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    nuff said.

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    Re: Case study in stupidity

    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamoo
    How about the the Securities and Exchange Commission - http://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm

    And as for someone has been convicted or running a Ponzi scheme.. well, you can start with Charles Ponzi himself.

    ozilinx your argument is stupid. Ponzi schemes are criminal enterprises. People who knowingly put money into these schemes in order to defraud others are accessories to the crime.

    Ponzi ponzi ponzi....that's all I hear. What do you think this is, 1920? Any of the good paid to autosurf programs running today are investing all or part of the incoming money of members, and/or running other income generating programs to bring in cash. Therefore NOT ponzi schemes. Therefore legal.

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