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    UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc... BLACKLIST

    2016-2017 CHINA LIARS LIST

    - Updated Every Week

    Apparently someone hacked Carol Dunn’s famous “China Liar’s List” and I was only told recently so I am re-posting for the benefit of any and all TEFL and ESL teachers thinking about working in China the land of endless scams, and most of them are based in the job and internship market. These scams are extremely believable and very difficult to discover UNTIL you are already in China and your first pay day rolls around. There are 38 known scams and maybe a few we have not discovered yet. These scams start with identity thieves:

    IDENTITY THIEVES: About 30% of all the job ads you see on line for foreigners to work in China, are in fact identity thieves who offer fake jobs that pay much better than most. The scam is so slick that you will even be set up with fake Skype interviews and they may even use the names of real schools and universities that have been around for years. The truth is they have nothing to do with those schools. They are on a mission to obtain your resume and passport scan. Eventually they will get all of your information, to open a bank account and credit cards in your name. Then to make you completely forget about them, they will actually get you a job offer in some remote part of China that you turn it down, or they sell you off to a local job agent (who is real) and they will offer you a low-paying job that you probably will reject. Then here is what will happen next: http://Chinascamwatch.wordpress.com

    To avoid playing Russian Roulette with your resume (where there are two bullets in the gun and not just one) Avoid all China job offers you find posted here on these web sites which have a history of posting fake jobs just to build and sell a database:


    TheBeijinger.com
    Echinacities.com
    ESLCafe.com
    Craigslist.com
    Gumtree.com
    Sinocities.com



    These job sites will take money from anyone to post theirs ads and if you doubt this you only need to read a few horror stories like the famous case of teacher Katherine Cox who had 66% of her wages taken by a China job agent named Rebecca Tang or Naomi Burke whose ID theft cost her over $20,000 in legal fees to get all of your good credit restored with the credit bureaus and get criminal charges dismissed that were wrongly filed against her.


    60% of all China Scams involve “black” agents and “learning centers” They are not licensed nor registered to do business in China and they will get you illegal jobs that cannot get you a legal working visa, so they get you to come work on a L, F, or M visa which is illegal. YOU MUST HAVE A Z VISA ISSUED BY YOUR ACTUAL EMPLOYER – NOT FROM A THIRD PARTY “AFFILIATE”

    Also be aware that the China Ministry of Education is NOT “partners” nor “affiliates” nor do they “endorse” any private schools, recruiters, nor commercial enterprises. The same applies for SAFEA. If someone says they are, please report them here and to report@ChinaScamPatrol.org and tips@ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org.

    In 2015, over 2,000 expat teachers were arrested, jailed, and deported with felony convictions because they were fooled into working in China with the wrong visa. Know the law and read this very carefully:http://www.chinaforeignteachersuion.com.

    Here below is a partial list of the biggest known scam artists in China that either do not provide the correct visas, are not authorized by the government to hire foreigners, or who have a history of cheating teachers, extorting them for release letters, not paying final wages, or general exploitation. You can get the complete blacklist maintained by the CFTU which is updated every three months here http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org. For now these are the big names below to avoid; (Note that half of all the con artists are fellow foreigners) The Chinese recruiters use Chinglish names that are fabricated, disposable email addresses at gmail, hotmail, 126, 163, sina, yahoo, etc. and mobile sim cards that they replace every few weeks so they cannot be traced by the police. For this reason it is best not to use any agent who cannot pass this 25 Red Flag checklist: http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?644846-China-Job-Recruiter-amp-Visa-Agent-Scams-25-Red-Flag-Warnings&highlight=25+red+flag+job+scam


    Angelinas ESL Café
    Adam Wang
    Alice Chang
    Monica Chang
    Monica Cheng
    ESLReady.com aka ESLReady aka ESL Ready
    Eric Winder
    TEFL Panda
    New Talent Academy
    Hongren English
    Holy Flower English
    ESLInsider.com aka ESLinsider aka ESL Insider
    Amanda Li aka Amanda Liu aka Amanda Liao
    China ESL
    Lucky English
    Worlda English aka Worlda International Education aka Worlda Cultural Services

    i-to-i (online TEFL scam)
    TEFLOnline.com (same online scam from UK)
    Rebecca Tang
    Expertise Education
    Buckland Education Group
    ABC Cowboy English
    Focus Education
    CCESL
    CCIE aka Terry Tong aka Tong Tong
    Qianshi Technology Group (many alias names)
    TeachinChina
    TeachAway
    ChinaJobs.org
    Michael Cavill aka Michael Cavhill aka Michael Cavell aka DFEA
    ChinaTeachers
    David Valley
    Derek Yazwa
    Echinacities.com
    Aston English
    Deric Yazwa
    Panda Visa
    Golden Bridge
    New Life ESL
    New World ESL
    China International ESL
    ChinaTeacherCafe
    China Horizons
    China Pathways
    WorkinChina.com
    hongniu.com
    bodog190.com
    chinajobs.com
    China Wave
    chinaprogram.com
    chinawantsyou.com
    Chinateachers.com
    Sino English
    Wise Way Global Education
    Getin2China
    Gi2C
    Yuri Khlystov
    Ben Tsao aka Ben Cao
    Bi-Lingo China aka China Bi-Lingo
    Lake Education aka Luke Education
    American Christian School
    Max Gen Education
    Stanford English
    Oxbridge
    China4U2.com aka China4U2.org
    JobsChina.com aka JobsChina.org
    Charlie Chan aka Charlie Chang aka Charlie Cheng
    Happy English
    Owen English aka Ou Wen aka Oh Wen
    Golden Tran Education
    Carl Ge aka Carle He
    CUCAS
    Peter Zheng aka Ying Tian Zheng aka Zheng Tian Ying
    Maple Leaf English
    Disney English (Some Beijing & Chengdu locations only)
    Disney Education Group
    Jenny Wu aka Jenny Woo
    Christina Zhang aka Christina Chang
    Crystal Li
    UFEIC
    UFIEC
    ABC English
    EZ English
    English Express
    Danny Zhou aka Danny Chen

    DO NOT ACCEPT CHINGLISH NAMES FROM CHINESE AGENTS AND RECRUITERS (ie English first name together with Chinese last names)
    -They are all fabricated and are impossible for the police to trace if you have problems. Always ask to see their original plastic Chinese national ID card and copy both sides of it. Then and only then will you know who are dealing with. It will look like this...

    For more details on these blacklisted entities visit: http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org/2012/12/china-foreign-teachers-union-posts-esl.html


    Here are 5 Golden rules to follow and you will be 99% safe from China Scams;


    1. Avoid any all agents that cannot pass this checklist http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?644846-China-Job-Recruiter-amp-Visa-Agent-Scams-25-Red-Flag-Warnings&highlight=25+red+flag+job+scam
    2. Avoid any recruiter or company that requires you to pay any up-fornt fee no matter what guarantee or refund/reimbursement promise they give you.
    3. Avoid any employer who does not give you a scan of their SAIC license that your then verify to be genuine.
    4. Avoid any employer that is not registered with SAFEA (Chinese government) http://safea.gov.cn
    5. Read these the below web sites BEFORE you start applying for jobs in China

    http://chinascamwatch.org
    http://eslwatch.info/foreum/china
    http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org
    http://www.chinascambusters.com
    http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com


    MOST IMPORTANTLY FIND YOUR OWN CHINA JOBS AND INTERNSHIPS FOR FREE AND AVOID THE RISKS OF SCAMS.


    For finding free internships: http://freechinainternships.blogspot.ca
    For finding China jobs for free: http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com


    IF YOU GET RIPPED OFF, PLEASE WARN OTHERS BY POSTING YOUR DETAILED EXPERIENCE BELOW WITH THE NAMES OF THE PRINCIPALS, THE DATES OF THE PROBLEMS AND KEEP IT FACTUAL AND CIVIL. FABRICATED BS WILL BE RECOGNIZED AND DELETED ALONG WITH SIMPLE “STAY AWAY – THEY CHEATED ME” CRAP DETAILS ARE KEY TO A WARNING POST THAT REMAINS HERE.

    More Recommended Reading:
    http://eslwatch.info/articles/asia-articles/china-in-asia-article.html



    NAME AND SHAME THOSE THAT CHEAT YOU IN THIS THREAD THAT WILL BE SEEN BY THOUSANDS
    OF OTHER POTENTIAL VICTIMS. YOU CAN ALSO AVOID PROBLEMS BY CHECKING ALL CHINA
    BLACKLISTS BEFORE ACCEPTING A JOB OR DOING BUSINESS IN CHINA

    USE THE CSP, CFTU, & CTA WHITE LISTS WHENEVER POSSIBLE!
    Remember however, no employer is perfect and white-listed schools are those with the least number of UNRESOLVED complaints and best ratings from teachers.
    Read more about China White & Blacklists here:
    http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/2016/01/cftu-releases-2016-china-foreign.html



    These are the top 10 web sites voted "Most Useful" by 16,479 China Foreign Teachers in 2015:
    (No Special Order)

    http://EslWatch.info/forum/China
    http:/TEFL.net
    http:/ESLEmployment.com
    http:/ESLBase.com
    http://www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org
    http://ChinaScamWatch.org
    http://SAFEA.gov.cn
    http://ChinaScamPatrol.wordpress.com
    http://ChinaScamBusters.com
    http:/ESL.com
    http://SAIC.gov.cn

    Congratulations to Carol on the birth of her new baby daughter Veronica. We hope to see you back here soon to keep updating this thread. Your diligent and detailed posts have been missed. Enjoy your special time with Veronica but hurry back to the keyboard at least once or twice a week!


    LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO WORK IN CHINA:
    http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com/2016/02/updated-2016-official-china-foreign-esl.html


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    Last edited by Fat Man Frank; 07-06-2016 at 02:38 PM.

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    Re: UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc... BLACKLIST

    Thank you for your kind words Frank. Give me another week or so to get over the shock of being a 35 year old mother and I will be back to update all that I can find, and go through the 237 emails that have accumulated in my inbox. I am shocked and disappointed that someone went out of their way to delete my original 2014 China Liars list which was up to 212 entities. I promise to go through all my notes and restore all that has been hacked away into oblivion. About a photo of Veronica, I promise to post one as soon as she looses all the baby wrinkles in another week or two. Here's some fun to share with the others http://travel.nationalgeographic.com...es/china-quiz/

    Last edited by Curious Carol; 06-06-2016 at 12:10 PM.

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    Re: UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc... BLACKLIST

    Welcome back Carol, I collected a lot of info to share with you so check your email and check out the school in Hangzhou that is extorting teachers for their release letters. Congrats on the baby too.
    Trust only your birth mother!

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    Re: UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc... BLACKLIST

    There were over 5,000 Chinese exporters/suppliers individually blacklisted in this thread before "The Big Hack" so I will give the three best blacklists for them now which is better than nothing until Carol puts the individual list back up;

    http://www.supplierblacklist.com/

    http://www.chinablacklist.org

    http://chinasourcinginfo.org/2011/09...iers-in-china/
    Deduction my ass... I need proof!

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    Scam Warning! Echinacities, TheBeijinger, ESLCafe, Sinocities publish ads from identity thieves!

    Do NOT send any resumes or passport scans to ads you find in EChinaCities.com, TheBeijinger.com, ESLCafe.com, or Sinocities.com or you will have a 30% chance of becoming a victim of identity theft!
    Great stuff guys, keep it coming. I just read my China Scam Patrol Newsletter (actually an old one that somehow found its way under my sofa) and found this gem about identity theft that targets foreigners applying for jobs and visas related to China. This is mind boggling and super devious. Read for yourself... http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com


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    Re: UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc... BCUCAS is the biggest Education Scam in China!

    SCAM ALERT! CUCAS IN BEIJING, CHINA IS TOTAL FRAUD OWNED BY A FORMER CHINESE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL!





    Wow! This is the most believable China scam that ever sneaked onto my computers screen offering me free scholarships to study in China! In China students are offered free scholarships to study abroad. Once you take their bait however you find out that you have to pay fees to their sister companies owned by the same snake a former official of the China Communist Part in charge of assigning ",cn" and ".edu" domains in China. (Look at the suffix of their domain which falsely implies they are a government institution!)

    Here are the details:

    CUCAS IS A PRIVATE COMPANY - NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY!

    Look at their web site - it is impressive yet very misleading and false. They bought an edu.cn suffix (easy to do in China for $7,000 a year) to make it appear they are part of the government THEY ARE NOT! This is a private company owned by a Chinese man who takes $1,000 and more - not through Cucas, but through a third party consulting company owned by the same Chinese man who will only tell people his name is "Peter". If you ask him for his Chinese name or a business card he says he "just ran out of cards". Peter's second Chinese company charges "service fees" Yet CUCAS advertises that their service is FREE! No CUCAS client has ever paid less than $500 and some have paid as much as $3,000. (They start high an negotiate down if people protest about the price) CUCAS only represents schools that pay them a 20% commission including the below schools. If you tell them you want to go to Peking University or Tsinghua they will tell that enrollment is full instead of telling you the truth - Peking and Tsinghua refuse to do business with Peter because of his scammy reputation. When I mentioned the CUCAS name to a Peking University admissions manager, she rolled her eyes and warned me to stay clear of them.


    What they do for students is file an application and registration form that students can do for themselves in 2 hours time - online in many cases. Students only have to contact the international department of any Chinese University by telephone or email and request the forms in English. CUCAS staff even includes two foreign interns whose job is just to be in the office in case people walk in they will think their business is legitimate since most foreigners refuse to work for Chinese scams. The interns have no clue what is going on there and spend their time flirting with the girl students and playing video games on the computer. CUCAS steals about $30,000 a month from students abroad. It is all smoke and mirrors, but that edu.cn tag fools everyone.

    If you think CUCAS really is part of the Chinese government, contact or visit the Beijing SAIC (Business License Agency) about 300 meters West of Canadian International School in Beijing like I did, and in less than a minute you will know the truth with a computer search. Unfortunately CUCAS is now ruining the good name of the below universities:

    Beijing Foreign Studies University (an BFSU official named Liu Boran admiited he knows CUCAS is not a government agency - was he bribed? Probably)

    Beijing Language And Culture University

    University of International Business & Economics

    Shenzhen University

    Shanghai Jiao Tong University

    Shanghai International Studies University

    Dalian University of Foreign Studies

    Easy China Normal University

    Zhejiang University

    Sichuan University

    BTW... CUCAS tells American, Canadian, European, Latin, and Russian students that these schools are the "top 10 Universities in China" when they clearly are not even in the top 50! Avoid this company like the plague or you will flushing money down the toilet. There is NOTHING "FREE" in China and if you lived or worked there for only 3 months you would learn this in a hurry. BTW... I know about CUCAS because I was one of about 2 dozen foreigners in Wudaokou who was offered $100 to make a fake video testimonial for them. Many people took the money and used fake names. I did not. They then offered me $50 to give a fake written testimonial using a yahoo email account they offered to make for me. I refused. They also write fake reviews for themselves on line and pay GoAbroad.com $1,000 to give them high ratings. These people are bottom feeders with a fancy web site. BTW... the same Liu Boran of BFSU's International Department got his own wife a 30,000 rmb teaching job at the China Academy of Governance - a job that was supposed to be held by a Native English Speaker. Just ask Norman one of the foreign teachers who works there or Mr. Lu, the Director of the Academy. Collusion and corruption reigns supreme in China and ripping off foreigners is S.O.P. Beware of CUCAS or you will be sorry you ever heard their name or answered their email.

    http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/phpbbfo...m-t172033.html

    http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/...-students.html

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...0183521AA9YHIk

    https://www.realscam.com/f8/watchout...am-china-3098/
    Last edited by Fat Man Frank; 06-29-2016 at 05:00 AM. Reason: fixed 12 typos and formatting of your cut and paste.

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    Re: UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc... BCUCAS is the biggest Education Scam in China!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyber Snoop View Post
    SCAM ALERT! CUCAS IN BEIJING, CHINA IS TOTAL FRAUD OWNED BY A FORMER CHINESE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL!





    Wow! This is the most believable China scam that ever sneaked onto my computers screen offering me free scholarships to study in China! In China students are offered free scholarships to study abroad. Once you take their bait however you find out that you have to pay fees to their sister companies owned by the same snake a former official of the China Communist Part in charge of assigning ",cn" and ".edu" domains in China. (Look at the suffix of their domain which falsely implies they are a government institution!)

    Here are the details:

    CUCAS IS A PRIVATE COMPANY - NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY!

    Look at their web site - it is impressive yet very misleading and false. They bought an edu.cn suffix (easy to do in China for $7,000 a year) to make it appear they are part of the government THEY ARE NOT! This is a private company owned by a Chinese man who takes $1,000 and more - not through Cucas, but through a third party consulting company owned by the same Chinese man who will only tell people his name is "Peter". If you ask him for his Chinese name or a business card he says he "just ran out of cards". Peter's second Chinese company charges "service fees" Yet CUCAS advertises that their service is FREE! No CUCAS client has ever paid less than $500 and some have paid as much as $3,000. (They start high an negotiate down if people protest about the price) CUCAS only represents schools that pay them a 20% commission including the below schools. If you tell them you want to go to Peking University or Tsinghua they will tell that enrollment is full instead of telling you the truth - Peking and Tsinghua refuse to do business with Peter because of his scammy reputation. When I mentioned the CUCAS name to a Peking University admissions manager, she rolled her eyes and warned me to stay clear of them.


    What they do for students is file an application and registration form that students can do for themselves in 2 hours time - online in many cases. Students only have to contact the international department of any Chinese University by telephone or email and request the forms in English. CUCAS staff even includes two foreign interns whose job is just to be in the office in case people walk in they will think their business is legitimate since most foreigners refuse to work for Chinese scams. The interns have no clue what is going on there and spend their time flirting with the girl students and playing video games on the computer. CUCAS steals about $30,000 a month from students abroad. It is all smoke and mirrors, but that edu.cn tag fools everyone.

    If you think CUCAS really is part of the Chinese government, contact or visit the Beijing SAIC (Business License Agency) about 300 meters West of Canadian International School in Beijing like I did, and in less than a minute you will know the truth with a computer search. Unfortunately CUCAS is now ruining the good name of the below universities:

    Beijing Foreign Studies University (an BFSU official named Liu Boran admiited he knows CUCAS is not a government agency - was he bribed? Probably)

    Beijing Language And Culture University

    University of International Business & Economics

    Shenzhen University

    Shanghai Jiao Tong University

    Shanghai International Studies University

    Dalian University of Foreign Studies

    Easy China Normal University

    Zhejiang University

    Sichuan University

    BTW... CUCAS tells American, Canadian, European, Latin, and Russian students that these schools are the "top 10 Universities in China" when they clearly are not even in the top 50! Avoid this company like the plague or you will flushing money down the toilet. There is NOTHING "FREE" in China and if you lived or worked there for only 3 months you would learn this in a hurry. BTW... I know about CUCAS because I was one of about 2 dozen foreigners in Wudaokou who was offered $100 to make a fake video testimonial for them. Many people took the money and used fake names. I did not. They then offered me $50 to give a fake written testimonial using a yahoo email account they offered to make for me. I refused. They also write fake reviews for themselves on line and pay GoAbroad.com $1,000 to give them high ratings. These people are bottom feeders with a fancy web site. BTW... the same Liu Boran of BFSU's International Department got his own wife a 30,000 rmb teaching job at the China Academy of Governance - a job that was supposed to be held by a Native English Speaker. Just ask Norman one of the foreign teachers who works there or Mr. Lu, the Director of the Academy. Collusion and corruption reigns supreme in China and ripping off foreigners is S.O.P. Beware of CUCAS or you will be sorry you ever heard their name or answered their email.

    http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/phpbbfo...m-t172033.html

    http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/...-students.html

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...0183521AA9YHIk

    https://www.realscam.com/f8/watchout...am-china-3098/

    Cucas is also famous for its hackers that delete and alter the many complaints posts that have been made online about them in the last five years.

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    Re: UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc... BLACKLIST

    I am so over this

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    Re: UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc... BLACKLIST

    Hey Carol, can you please replace the blacklist of China visa agents and the link to the story about Panda Visa? They just changed their name again but Keith Curran still owns all the companies you exposed before.

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    Re: UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc

    Why would people want to work anywhere where the auir pollution is toxic six months out o fthe year?

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    Bole Education in Congqing, China - Scam Alert for China ESL Foreign Teachers

    WARNING! - Bole Education aka Bo Luo is a blacklisted operation in ChongQing, China!



    As you can see they use some alias names, and none of them are registered with SAFEA nor SAIC, nor the tax Bureau of Chongqing City.

    Well I am back from maternity leave and I wish to warn you all about yet another black operation based in the Center of China in the third largest city of Chongqing, a very hot but beautiful place famous for good-looking and open-minded women. For foreignershowever it is a dangerous scam trap. This company is not licensed to hire foreign teachers and thus are unable to provide release letters as well. They use a variety of agents, who use an even variety of fake names. They are blacklisted by the CTA and CFTU. You've been warned!

    http://eslwatch.info/reviews/individ...ual-china.html

    If you want a legitimate job in China here is where you can send your resume with a note telling them what Province you want to work in and a CFTU volunteer will send your resume to 5 white-listed schools free of charge. Right now they are all desperate to do last minute hiring for the semester term so act fast. jobs@chinaforeignteachersunion.org

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    Nikki aka Nikic Predrag - Serbian Recruiter China ESL & TEFL Jobs Is A Scammer - Beware!

    Wan Jia China Recruiters - Scam Alert
    Affiliated With Rebecca Tang of China ESL & Foreigner HR


    HELP PUT THESE PEOPLE WHERE THEY TRULY BELONG...


    This is a referral from TEFL.net. Thanks for sharing!

    Hey there folks, There are some scum foreigners doing recruiting as well, so do not trust anyone of these, go directly to school!
    and be aware of guy named " Nikki" he's Serbian and it's a big shame :'(
    he's been destroying peoples life's recently, 80 people went there with him with promised JOB and they got locked up.
    Schools taking their passports and limited their movement.
    Terrible story be careful folks this one is all over the web, he is lying since day1.

    Name : Predrag
    Last : Nikic
    Nickname: Nikki
    Country : Serbia
    Location : China Agency's that he use : Wan Jia ( last one )
    Past agency work : Rebecca ESLCHINA ( now changed name to ForeignerHR Rosie ) to many people got fckt up by her
    Be careful she is making fake visa, her coworkers are in prison now, very dangerous some have big problems even to this day!

    https://www.facebook.com/predrag.nikic.5?fref=ts


    Last edited by Curious Carol; 09-21-2016 at 07:21 AM.

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    Warning About TEFLHub.com & China ESL & TEFL Job Offers...


    Scam Investigation: CHINATEFLHUB.COM just one of many examples

    Friends, there is now a trend for recruiters of ESL & TEFL jobs in China to locate their operations outside of China where they are not subject to Chinese government regulation, inspection, licensing, and law enforcement action in the event of problems. Although some of the jobs advertised are in fact legitimate, some have been fabricated. We cannot check out every single job posting and therefore urge you just to contact China employers directly and avoid the risk of rolling the dice with foreign recruiters that are not licensed nor registered to do business in China. Ten years ago, almost all the scams in China were operated by Chinese. Today things have changed significantly as foreign scammers have moved in with sophisticated frauds carefully structured to make them unaccountable legally in China and too expensive for victims working in China to prosecute or sue them in the U.K., America, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Australia, etc. And frankly most victims do not realize they were scammed until they are in China, and have very little money left to even cover their living and food expenses, much less able to afford $10,000 for an international lawyer.

    Do not be fooled by snazzy websites, nor testimonials or "third party reviews" which are usually either self-created or paid for (shills). Likewise do not assume they are legitimate simply because they advertise at the Beijinger, EchinaCities.com, or ESL Cafe. This will give you a quick crash course why: http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com.

    Here below is the ownership of TEFLHUB.com which is now a two-year old company. They have no office in China and should you get cheated in China through one of their placements, you will have no legal recourse unless you travel to Cardiff, England and file a police report in that legal jurisdiction.


    Domain Name: TEFLHUB.COM
    Registrar: DOMAINPEOPLE, INC.
    Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 65
    Whois Server: whois.domainpeople.com
    Referral URL: http://www.domainpeople.com
    Name Server: NS0.SECUREPOD.COM
    Name Server: NS1.SECUREPOD.COM
    Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok
    Updated Date: 21-dec-2015
    Creation Date: 28-jan-2014
    Expiration Date: 28-jan-2018

    teflhub.com registrar whois
    Updated 1 second ago
    Domain Name: TEFLHUB.COM
    Registry Domain ID: 1844517041_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
    Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domainpeople.com
    Registrar URL: www.domainpeople.com
    Updated Date: 2014-04-20T00:54:57.00Z
    Creation Date: 2014-01-28T09:29:00.00Z
    Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-01-28T09:29:00.00Z
    Registrar: DOMAINPEOPLE, INC.
    Registrar IANA ID: 65
    Domain Status: ok https://www.icann.org/epp#ok
    Registry Registrant ID:
    Registrant Name: RICHARD WARD
    Registrant Organization: CREO INTERACTIVE LTD
    Registrant Street: THE OLD CHURCH
    Registrant City: CARDIFF
    Registrant State/Province: CARDIFF
    Registrant Postal Code: CF11 6DY
    Registrant Country: GB
    Registrant Phone: +44.2920653066
    Registrant Phone Ext:
    Registrant Fax:
    Registrant Fax Ext:
    Registrant Email: @CREO.CO.UK
    Registry Admin ID:
    Admin Name: RICHARD WARD
    Admin Organization: CREO INTERACTIVE LTD
    Admin Street: THE OLD CHURCH
    Admin City: CARDIFF
    Admin State/Province: CARDIFF
    Admin Postal Code: CF11 6DY
    Admin Country: GB
    Admin Phone: +44.2920653066
    Admin Phone Ext:
    Admin Fax:
    Admin Fax Ext:
    Admin Email: @CREO.CO.UK
    Registry Tech ID:
    Tech Name: ADMINISTRATOR DNS
    Tech Organization: HOSTWAY
    Tech Street: 1 HARBOUR EXCHANGE SQ
    Tech City: LONDON
    Tech State/Province: LONDON
    Tech Postal Code: E14 9HE
    Tech Country: GB
    Tech Phone: +44.2075109050
    Tech Phone Ext:
    Tech Fax: +44.2075109051
    Tech Fax Ext:
    Tech Email: @HOSTWAY-UK.COM
    Name Server: NS0.SECUREPOD.COM
    Name Server: NS1.SECUREPOD.COM
    DNSSEC: unSigned
    Registrar Abuse Contact Email: @domainpeople.com
    Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.6046391680
    URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
    >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2014-04-20T00:54:57.00Z <<<

    For more information on Whois status codes, please visit https://icann.org/epp

    If you want a safe job in China as an ESL/TEFL Teacher with a legitimate school that is ACCOUNTABLE, REGISTERED, LICENSED, and LEGAL, here are your choices;

    A) Any public school or university in China
    B) One of these famous International Schools
    http://beijingabode.com/content/inte...g-school-guide
    C) One of these reputable high Schools with at least a 5 year track record
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...ols_in_Beijing
    D) A school that is not blacklisted by the CTA, CFTU, or SAFEA http://safea.gov.cn

    Last edited by Curious Carol; 09-21-2016 at 08:24 AM.

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    Re: Warning About TEFLHub.com & China ESL & TEFL Job Offers...

    If you had bothered to actually do some research in this matter you would have discovered a few things.
    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post
    Here below is the ownership of TEFLHUB.com which is now a two-year old company.

    Domain Name: TEFLHUB.COM
    Registrar: DOMAINPEOPLE, INC.

    Updated Date: 21-dec-2015
    Creation Date: 28-jan-2014
    Expiration Date: 28-jan-2018
    Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-01-28T09:29:00.00Z
    Registrar: DOMAINPEOPLE, INC.
    Registrar IANA ID: 65
    Domain Status: ok https://www.icann.org/epp#ok
    Registry Registrant ID:
    Registrant Name: RICHARD WARD
    Registrant Organization: CREO INTERACTIVE LTD
    Registrant Street: THE OLD CHURCH
    Registrant City: CARDIFF
    Registrant State/Province: CARDIFF
    Registrant Postal Code: CF11 6DY
    Registrant Country: GB
    Registrant Phone: +44.2920653066
    Registrant Phone Ext:
    Registrant Fax:
    Registrant Fax Ext:
    The website is two years old. The company behind the website is 17 years old.

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03826755;


    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post
    They have no office in China and should you get cheated in China through one of their placements, you will have no legal recourse unless you travel to Cardiff, England and file a police report in that legal jurisdiction.
    First off, Cardiff is in Wales, not England.

    Second, if you had bothered to read the "TEFLHub FAQ' at https://www.teflhub.com/faq/ you would have seen;
    Basically, its a social media website. LoL

    Why would a Welsh (UK) based social media website need to have a office in China?

    Are you claiming that social media websites now have to have offices in China to accept posts from people in China? LoL
    Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science. -C. Darwin

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    Re: UPDATED: China Liars List - ESL - TEFL Teacher Job Scams, Internships, Exporters, etc

    Oh, I see.

    You just don't like free enterprise, free speech, or competition.

    Here's some rather interesting WhoIs look-ups for you. All these websites were registered in late 2012 using 'Domains by Proxy' through GoDaddy and are hosted by Google in Mountain View, CA.

    whois.domaintools.com/chinaforeignteachersunion.org - registered 26AUG2012.
    whois.domaintools.com/chinaforeignteachersunion.com - registered 26AUG2012.
    whois.domaintools.com/cleverchinacheaters.com - registered 26AUG2012. (Now offline, expired and for sale)
    whois.domaintools.com/chinascampatrol.org - registered 7NOV2012.
    whois.domaintools.com/chinascamcentral.com - registered 19NOV2012.
    whois.domaintools.com/globalblacklist.org - registered 27NOV2012.
    whois.domaintools.com/chinascambusters.com - registered 16DEC2012.
    whois.domaintools.com/chinascampatrol.com - registered 16DEC2012.

    IMO these websites are being operated by the same individual(s). These websites also often cross reference each other not only on their own sites but also at other blogs and forums as well, like here at Scam.com. Basically, I consider any information from these websites to be from the same source.
    And who knows how many other websites they have.




    PS.
    May I suggest that you lean to proof-read your posts. You listed two different url's here:
    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post
    Scam Investigation: CHINATEFLHUB.COM
    ..................
    Here below is the ownership of TEFLHUB.com which is now a two-year old company.
    If you were looking for a 'CHINATEFLHUB.COM' you posted the wrong WhoIs info. LoL
    Last edited by nomaxim; 09-21-2016 at 07:50 PM.
    Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science. -C. Darwin

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    Re: Warning About TEFLHub.com & China ESL & TEFL Job Offers...

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post

    Scam Investigation: CHINATEFLHUB.COM just one of many examples

    Friends, there is now a trend for recruiters of ESL & TEFL jobs in China to locate their operations outside of China where they are not subject to Chinese government regulation, inspection, licensing, and law enforcement action in the event of problems. Although some of the jobs advertised are in fact legitimate, some have been fabricated. We cannot check out every single job posting and therefore urge you just to contact China employers directly and avoid the risk of rolling the dice with foreign recruiters that are not licensed nor registered to do business in China. Ten years ago, almost all the scams in China were operated by Chinese. Today things have changed significantly as foreign scammers have moved in with sophisticated frauds carefully structured to make them unaccountable legally in China and too expensive for victims working in China to prosecute or sue them in the U.K., America, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Australia, etc. And frankly most victims do not realize they were scammed until they are in China, and have very little money left to even cover their living and food expenses, much less able to afford $10,000 for an international lawyer.

    Do not be fooled by snazzy websites, nor testimonials or "third party reviews" which are usually either self-created or paid for (shills). Likewise do not assume they are legitimate simply because they advertise at the Beijinger, EchinaCities.com, or ESL Cafe. This will give you a quick crash course why: http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com.

    Here below is the ownership of TEFLHUB.com which is now a two-year old company. They have no office in China and should you get cheated in China through one of their placements, you will have no legal recourse unless you travel to Cardiff, England and file a police report in that legal jurisdiction.


    Domain Name: TEFLHUB.COM
    Registrar: DOMAINPEOPLE, INC.
    Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 65
    Whois Server: whois.domainpeople.com
    Referral URL: http://www.domainpeople.com
    Name Server: NS0.SECUREPOD.COM
    Name Server: NS1.SECUREPOD.COM
    Status: ok https://icann.org/epp#ok
    Updated Date: 21-dec-2015
    Creation Date: 28-jan-2014
    Expiration Date: 28-jan-2018

    teflhub.com registrar whois Updated 1 second ago
    Domain Name: TEFLHUB.COM
    Registry Domain ID: 1844517041_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
    Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.domainpeople.com
    Registrar URL: www.domainpeople.com
    Updated Date: 2014-04-20T00:54:57.00Z
    Creation Date: 2014-01-28T09:29:00.00Z
    Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-01-28T09:29:00.00Z
    Registrar: DOMAINPEOPLE, INC.
    Registrar IANA ID: 65
    Domain Status: ok https://www.icann.org/epp#ok
    Registry Registrant ID:
    Registrant Name: RICHARD WARD
    Registrant Organization: CREO INTERACTIVE LTD
    Registrant Street: THE OLD CHURCH
    Registrant City: CARDIFF
    Registrant State/Province: CARDIFF
    Registrant Postal Code: CF11 6DY
    Registrant Country: GB
    Registrant Phone: +44.2920653066
    Registrant Phone Ext:
    Registrant Fax:
    Registrant Fax Ext:
    Registrant Email: @CREO.CO.UK
    Registry Admin ID:
    Admin Name: RICHARD WARD
    Admin Organization: CREO INTERACTIVE LTD
    Admin Street: THE OLD CHURCH
    Admin City: CARDIFF
    Admin State/Province: CARDIFF
    Admin Postal Code: CF11 6DY
    Admin Country: GB
    Admin Phone: +44.2920653066
    Admin Phone Ext:
    Admin Fax:
    Admin Fax Ext:
    Admin Email: @CREO.CO.UK
    Registry Tech ID:
    Tech Name: ADMINISTRATOR DNS
    Tech Organization: HOSTWAY
    Tech Street: 1 HARBOUR EXCHANGE SQ
    Tech City: LONDON
    Tech State/Province: LONDON
    Tech Postal Code: E14 9HE
    Tech Country: GB
    Tech Phone: +44.2075109050
    Tech Phone Ext:
    Tech Fax: +44.2075109051
    Tech Fax Ext:
    Tech Email: @HOSTWAY-UK.COM
    Name Server: NS0.SECUREPOD.COM
    Name Server: NS1.SECUREPOD.COM
    DNSSEC: unSigned
    Registrar Abuse Contact Email: @domainpeople.com
    Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.6046391680
    URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
    >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2014-04-20T00:54:57.00Z <<<

    For more information on Whois status codes, please visit https://icann.org/epp

    If you want a safe job in China as an ESL/TEFL Teacher with a legitimate school that is ACCOUNTABLE, REGISTERED, LICENSED, and LEGAL, here are your choices;

    A) Any public school or university in China
    B) One of these famous International Schools
    http://beijingabode.com/content/inte...g-school-guide
    C) One of these reputable high Schools with at least a 5 year track record
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...ols_in_Beijing
    D) A school that is not blacklisted by the CTA, CFTU, or SAFEA http://safea.gov.cn

    Clarification and update: TEFL Hub and TEFLHub is a two year old entity that first began running ads and posted its web site in 2014. Neither of these entities are licensed to do business in China with SAIC (the agency that issues business licenses) and SAFEA (the Chinese government agency that regulates employment of foreigners in China) Both SAIC and SAFEA have no information on neither entity and advises "extreme caution". As another user pointed out CREO Interactive is a 17 year old company, but this entity had nothing to do with ESL/TEFL job placements and also is not licensed nor authorized to do business in China.

    Also ANY ESL or TEFL agent or recruiter who offers any job in China and claim that a Z Visa is "not required" is an outright fraud since working without a Z Visa (work visa) in China will get you arrested, jailed, and deported with a felony conviction if you are caught. At present, the detection rate is about 50%, more than triple from only three years ago.

    In recent weeks ESL recruiters began recruiting on line and in China using a variation of the TEFLHUB name: China TEFL Hub. They have no known track record, and even provided a web site address that is not active when questioned. They claim to be affiliates of TEFLHUB.com and for this reason I referred them to the Beijing Police Dept, and China Scam Patrol for investigation. When I get their feedback, I will post it here. I stand by my original comments about avoiding any unlicensed HR operation that does not have a verifiable track record and office in China. There are many legitimate head hunters in China that are properly licensed with the SAIC and registered with SAFEA. But it is much easier and safer to find your own job by contacting the HR Director or Foreign Affairs Officer (FAO) of the white-listed schools listed at the bottom of my above post. By dealing directly with your future employee, you avoid the risk of scams, third-party contracts, and "misunderstandings" that can be very costly and frustrating in China. The ABCs of teaching in China can be found here: http://eslwatch.info/forum/china. Read up and save yourself some grief.
    Last edited by Curious Carol; 09-21-2016 at 10:10 PM.

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