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    Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld Could Be Indicted Under US Law

    The War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal statute set forth at 18 U.S.C. ž 2441, makes it a federal crime for any U.S. national, whether military or civilian, to violate the Geneva Convention by engaging in murder, torture, or inhuman treatment.

    The statute applies not only to those who carry out the acts, but also to those who ORDER IT, know about it, or fail to take steps to stop it. The statute applies to everyone, no matter how high and mighty.

    18 U.S.C. ž 2441 has no statute of limitations, which means that a war crimes complaint can be filed at any time.

    The penalty may be life imprisonment or -- if a single prisoner dies due to torture -- death. Given that there are numerous, documented cases of prisoners being tortured to death by U.S. soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan (see for example this report), that means that the death penalty would be appropriate for anyone found guilty of carrying out, ordering, or sanctioning such conduct.

    Here's where it gets interesting. The general in charge of the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq stated this week that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and other top administration officials ORDERED that inhuman treatment and torture be conducted as part of a deliberate strategy.

    Indeed, an FBI email declassified in December 2004 states that Bush signed an Executive Order authorizing torture (here is the list of documents obtained through a freedom of information act request, and take a close look, for example, at this one, which mentions the "executive order").

    It has also recently come out that, even after the torture at Abu Ghraib hit the news, torture still continues at that prison and, indeed, the U.S. is still torturing people worldwide. Even to the casual observer, it is obvious that the administration has no plans to stop, but has instead been working tirelessly to make it easier to carry out torture in the future.

    Let's recap. We now know that torture in Iraq was ordered by top officials, and that torture is continuing, notwithstanding the administration's claims that it was only "a couple of bad apples" that were responsible for Abu Ghraib. Making a potential prosecutor's job easier, U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales wrote a memo in January 2002 to President Bush saying that America should opt out of the Geneva Convention because top officials have to worry about prosecutions under 18 U.S.C. ž 2441. By attempting to sidestep the Geneva Convention, Gonzales created a document trail that can be used to prove that top administration officials knowingly created a policy of torturing prisoners, and that such a policy could reasonably have been expected to result in the death of some prisoners.

    The U.S. did opt out of the Geneva Convention for the Afghanistan war, but we never opted out of the Geneva Convention for Iraq. Indeed, President Bush has repeatedly stated that Geneva applies in Iraq (although he has since claimed that foreign fighters captured in Iraq are not covered). Thus, there would be very little room for fancy footwork by defense lawyers in a prosecution against top officials concerning torture in Iraq.

    And to the extent that claims that the U.S. has sent prisoners to other countries for the express purpose of being tortured are true, violation of the war crimes act by the highest officials of our country would be even clearer. For who else but Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and other top officials would have the ability to authorize such flights? How could such a program be undertaken without their knowledge? And how could such a program be anything but the intentional "ordering" of torture, or at least "knowing about it" and "failing to take steps to stop it"?

    The Abu Ghraib general's recent statements about torture coming from the top and the existence of the "ghost flights" are important pieces of evidence for convicting Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and a host of other top administration officials for violation of the War Crimes Act of 1996. Upon conviction, they could be sentenced to life in prison, or even death.

    Additionally, violation of the war crimes act almost certainly constitutes a "high crime or misdemeanor" which would allow impeachment of such officials.

    Postscript: Colin Powell's former chief of staff stated on November 3, 2005, that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld approved the use of torture against foreign-held prisoners

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    Re: Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld Could Be Indicted Under US Law

    Yeah, they believe this one doesn't apply to them. That still doesn't answer the question, how do we get the troops home while leaving iraq safe from alqaeda or a new husein wannabe?

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    Also begs the question of what dems will do when the NEXT investigation concludes without the desired result. Do you know? I do.

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    Re: Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld Could Be Indicted Under US Law

    Ok use a little rational detachment here:

    We went after Saddam, captured him, put him in jail, now he's on trial.

    What if a country did that to George Bush or Cheney? Arrested them and put them on trial for all this mess.

    They both have broken laws against humanity...... think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geo«ge
    Ok use a little rational detachment here:

    We went after Saddam, captured him, put him in jail, now he's on trial.

    What if a country did that to George Bush or Cheney? Arrested them and put them on trial for all this mess.

    They both have broken laws against humanity...... think about it.
    That's the whole goal of U.S. imperialism though.

    We make policies limiting other countries technology and military, while ours continues to grow and surpass that of all others. If the other countries don't comply with our policies, then they are "threats" to global stability and as such are "enemies of the state" and to be contained.

    The U.S. just wants to keep everyone else in a 3rd world country status and get ourselves ahead.

    Even if other countries wanted to put Bush and Cheney on trial, how would they go about doing so if the U.S. did not comply? Hell, Bush ignored the U.N. and went ahead and did what he liked. How would Geneva be any different?

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    Re: Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld Could Be Indicted Under US Law

    Quote Originally Posted by geo«ge
    Ok use a little rational detachment here:

    We went after Saddam, captured him, put him in jail, now he's on trial.

    What if a country did that to George Bush or Cheney? Arrested them and put them on trial for all this mess.

    They both have broken laws against humanity...... think about it.
    You're comparing the President of the United States to Saddam?

    ..........seriously?


    WOW! Good job in exploiting your hatred.



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    Re: Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld Could Be Indicted Under US Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider

    p.s. LOTS of misinformation (from the lefties) just like you said. Peek in later from time to time, the libs are slowly losing ground and they may need your misinformed help. hehe. :D

    Hasta, R8R
    ROFLMAO; B.A.B.E. those of you defending the "right" aren't even in the game much less gaining any ground. :rolleyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    ROFLMAO; B.A.B.E. those of you defending the "right" aren't even in the game much less gaining any ground. :rolleyes:

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    Re: Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld Could Be Indicted Under US Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider
    You're comparing the President of the United States to Saddam?

    ..........seriously?


    WOW! Good job in exploiting your hatred.



    p.s. I just read your announcement. Good Luck with future endeavors. Good site here, I usually hang in the politico scene too. LOTS of misinformation (from the lefties) just like you said. Peek in later from time to time, the libs are slowly losing ground and they may need your misinformed help. hehe. :D

    Hasta, R8R


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    Which One Was Telling The Truth?
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    Re: Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld Could Be Indicted Under US Law

    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie

    Monkey Snap Quiz

    Which One Was Telling The Truth?
    Even that banner behind the monkey is a lie.

    Gotta love how many deaths are still going on over there even after the war "officially" ended back in like 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idshadow
    Even that banner behind the monkey is a lie.

    Gotta love how many deaths are still going on over there even after the war "officially" ended back in like 2004.
    Way to 'get behind' the terrorists!...you should be quite proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    Way to 'get behind' the terrorists!...you should be quite proud.
    Yup, guess since I don't like to lye in Bush's lap I'm very un-American, un-patriotic, and a terrorist lover. Someone report me to the authorities so I can be taken into custody and interrogation for a long time under the Patriot Act.

    How does pointing out the fact that when Bush stated back in '04 that the war in Iraq was "officially" over, that he was pretty much blatantly lying, make me a terrorist supporter?

    If Bush didn't lie so much, I'd probably support him. But then I'd be a supporter of U.S. imperialism at it's finest, and a supporter of U.S. terrorists (because that's probably how a lot of the Iraqi people see us as being, hell even lots of Americans would/could correctly describe the CIA as being U.S. terrorists).

    Those insurgents running car bombs into U.S. soldiers who have been tricked into thinking they're fighting the good war? They're not terrorists. As far as they're concerned, and most of the other Iraqi people are, they're patriots. They don't have any means of removing us from their country so they have to resort to sacrificing their own lives in an attempt to get us to leave. They have no guns, no jet bombers, no tanks, so they use what they can. AK-47s and human bombs.

    Let's make Iraqis suffer for something their leader supposedly did and turn a blind eye to other countries.

    One's who torture their citizens, have weapons of mass destruction, and enjoy using citizens of an opposing nation, against their own will, as human shields on raids on suspected terrorist stockpiles and hideouts.

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    Cheney should be indicted for the 6 Enron murders he arranged and possible the 6 Air Force guys murdered related to the missing war head incident. John Wheeler the Presidential aide was about to expose all of it plus his role in the WTC7 building when they took him out too. Do the research and you will see they found Wheeler's body in a garbage dump the same week he was going to hook up with a reporter named "MH" which everyone believes to be "Michael Hastings". https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedM...es_now_linked/

    Bush should get a life sentence for the 935 lies he told during his presidency. http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/...dy-3296633.php
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    http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/...dy-3296633.php

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    Carl... 600,000 dead Iraqi citizens killed based on lies is hardly "entertaining" and ditto for the families of our 3,000 soldiers. Over 80% of those Iraqis were not even soldiers - just "collateral damage:" They were unarmed civilian Carl - mothers, kids, elders, etc. Do you have a humane bone in your body or a few molecule of conscience Carl?
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