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    Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Now, regardless of whether he actually was/is the son of God, do you think he knew about it?
    There are several theories based on tests of scripture validity (which is comparing scriptures to older copies and roman records, and the romans were good at keeping records), one conclusion which I find interesting is that Christ never claimed to be the son of God.

    Now, for the religious of you, please do not take offense to this thread as it's not why I'm creating it, and please try to have an open mind.
    This isn't what I believe, but I find it interesting and am in the process of and have done research on it (along with His relationship with Maria Magdelina, but that's for another thread) and according to certain tests, which of course arent' conclusive proof but do provide certain evidence, Jesus himself never claimed to be the son of God, rather he thought of himself as a very good prophet with a close relationship to God, and for political purposes circa 400AD the scriptures were changed to make it appear as if he claimed to be the son of God.

    Just a thought, anyway, I'm interested to know if anyone else has researched or read about this at all.

    And please, no posts that contain religion-bashing, or science-bashing for that matter.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    That is a very good question. The versions of the bible that I have actually read all claim that he referred to himself as the son of god. That isn't a specific question I've researched though.

    We are all children of god. We all have the christ presence or divine spark or soul or whatever you want to call it within us. You can find lots and lots of speculation as to what those quotes actually mean by studying the free thought movement of the late 1900's. Christian Science, Unity, the Unitarians and a number of other churches grew out of that movement. All have qute a bit to say on the concept.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ysne58
    The versions of the bible that I have actually read all claim that he referred to himself as the son of god.
    Yes, if only He had've existed just 2000 years later we would have more accurate records of what really happened. Unfortunately it is very hard, if not impossible, to know just how much the bible has changed in these thousands of years.
    It's very sad!
    Hopefully He will come back like some peopl think He will and then we can ask Him some questions!

    I don't believe in God or that Jesus was divine (I believe he was a great man, though) but I think it would be great if I am proved wrong and God exists, it would be cool to have an afterlife.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by SubJunk
    Yes, if only He had've existed just 2000 years later we would have more accurate records of what really happened. Unfortunately it is very hard, if not impossible, to know just how much the bible has changed in these thousands of years.
    It's very sad!
    Hopefully He will come back like some peopl think He will and then we can ask Him some questions!

    I don't believe in God or that Jesus was divine (I believe he was a great man, though) but I think it would be great if I am proved wrong and God exists, it would be cool to have an afterlife.
    You know, I never thought about that, I don't think I've ever read anywhere where Jesus just out right says "God is my daddy." and I do mean him using that as a literary way of saying it. If Jesus ever does come down, I hope I see him start yelling at people, life would be worth living just to see that.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Alot was changed at the Council of Nicaea. All the boys who ran things got together and decided what was going into the creation of this religion. I've provided a link to Wikipedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

    Also found an interesting link on the Scams page whilst I was reading your post.
    http://www.godwithoutreligion.com

    I do believe in some kind of Higher Intelligence but I don't follow any organized religion. I have found that the majority of religions spend way too much time fighting about who believes in the "right" interpretation of God and if you don't follow their ideas then you're going to be turned into dog meat. That's why I tend to lean more toward Buddhism. Buddha said "I can show you The Way but I'm not the way". My concept of the Holy Trinity is The Father, The Mother and the Holy Mystery. Works for me. Personally, I believe that as long as you treat others with the same respect and kindness as you treat yourself then you rarely will go wrong in this life. Granted, it isn't always easy to do because few of us are born saints but at least we get a new chance everyday to do better.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by EderLore
    Alot was changed at the Council of Nicaea. All the boys who ran things got together and decided what was going into the creation of this religion. I've provided a link to Wikipedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

    Also found an interesting link on the Scams page whilst I was reading your post.
    http://www.godwithoutreligion.com

    I do believe in some kind of Higher Intelligence but I don't follow any organized religion. I have found that the majority of religions spend way too much time fighting about who believes in the "right" interpretation of God and if you don't follow their ideas then you're going to be turned into dog meat. That's why I tend to lean more toward Buddhism. Buddha said "I can show you The Way but I'm not the way". My concept of the Holy Trinity is The Father, The Mother and the Holy Mystery. Works for me. Personally, I believe that as long as you treat others with the same respect and kindness as you treat yourself then you rarely will go wrong in this life. Granted, it isn't always easy to do because few of us are born saints but at least we get a new chance everyday to do better.

    Wow, this gives me hope that humanity has a chance at being universally intelligent one day =D. I believed there is something great and powerful out there, I guess it's still in a sense "God", but the way God is perceived so commonly by the bible and it's followers just makes me think no way is God so simple and... well I guess this will some people hate me but I'll say it, the bible makes God sound "stupid". I can easily imagine God sitting in a giant chair going "Wtf is wrong with them!? I specifically gave them a brain so they can comprehend things!!! That's it, time to flood the earth." *reels up sleeves and gets to work* Then after wards, up to today "You gotta be kidding me, their just as dumb the second time around and I don't want make Adam the 10th." Then God slumps on the chair, pondering really hard where things went wrong... OR it could be this way "Ah, everything is going smoothly, satan's doing his thing and the humans are as sheepish as ever, the finale will be a blast." :D Anyway, all should have an open mind, even the bible demands such =D. Whoever says otherwise has never read the bible =P And I only skim!

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    One thing I always, always wondered about in the crucifixion story. Where did Barabbas come from? Backtrack that to Aramaic, which was the language of the time and place, if not of the scriptures: Barabbas=son of the father.

    Strange, no?

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by EderLore
    Personally, I believe that as long as you treat others with the same respect and kindness as you treat yourself then you rarely will go wrong in this life.
    :(

    how sad......there are so many people burning in Hell right now that went through life with that same non-commital outlook.

    but like you said....you have another chance today to improve....hopefully today will be the day you find the way! :)

    because none of us are guaranteed a tomorrow.....and eternity in Hell would be an awfully long time to think back and reflect on all of the chances you had....

    Good Luck!

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGfranky75
    :(

    how sad......there are so many people burning in Hell right now that went through life with that same non-commital outlook.

    but like you said....you have another chance today to improve....hopefully today will be the day you find the way! :)

    because none of us are guaranteed a tomorrow.....and eternity in Hell would be an awfully long time to think back and reflect on all of the chances you had....

    Good Luck!

    What does telling someone they are going to hell have to do with whether Jesus thought of himself as the son of god?

    Franky you are way off topic again. Not to mention that lots of people disagree with your assumptions on who is or is not going to hell, assuming it exists anywhere other than here on this planet.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ysne58
    Franky you are way off topic again. Not to mention that lots of people disagree with your assumptions on who is or is not going to hell.
    I know, it is unfortunate....but you are absolutely right....anyone that doesnt believe the Bible, doesn't agree with me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ysne58
    assuming it exists anywhere other than here on this planet.
    :(

    ohhh...Ysne58, how sad.

    what a sad, sad statement.... you must be even more miserable than i initially thought. i knew that you were a lonely soul....but i had no idea that your life was so bad that you considered your existance to be "Hell".....

    i would tell you to "cheer up" figuring...."it could be worse, right?" but the more i think of it....for you, it probably couldnt be.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Franky is yet another of those "Holyier than though" Christians. The ones who don't acutally follow the word of God, they preach it.

    Now I understand why he is ignorant to fact.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    You really are off topic Frankie. What does your delusions about my personal life have to do with whether Jesus believed he was the son of god or not?

    I'm sorry you are so lonely and lost that you have to believe that others are as miserable as you are, but get back on topic.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Well, depending on what verse you choose to believe in the Bible (how can that be!)
    Jesus's last words were:

    Mt.27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

    Lk.23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

    Jn.19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

    How come we have three???....Couldnt get the story straight?...well anyways, if these are to be believed then one could understand the Jesus did in fact know he was the son of God.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by Synik
    Well, depending on what verse you choose to believe in the Bible (how can that be!)
    Jesus's last words were:

    Mt.27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

    Lk.23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

    Jn.19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

    How come we have three???....Couldnt get the story straight?...well anyways, if these are to be believed then one could understand the Jesus did in fact know he was the son of God.

    Well, that depends on how you interpret it. Many people will tell you to refer to God as "Father in Heaven" and many other things. Jesus may have refered to "God" as "Father" since in the christian faith, God is the Father of all things thus, we can refer to God as "Father". That's how I'm seeing it anyway.

    And Frankie, I don't understand how man will burn eternally in hell when God is also a loving, forgiving one. Thus you demean GOD! BLASPHEMER! J/k But seriously, what is up with that?

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Franky only know what he reads in the Bible and what his Pastor tells him. Please don't ask him to apply critical thinking.
    Last edited by Synik; 11-04-2005 at 06:56 PM.

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    Re: Did Jesus think of himself as the son of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by Synik
    Franky only know what he reads in the Bible and what his Pastor tells him. Please don't ask him to apply critical thinking.
    But if it makes him pop a blood vessel it would make my day =P.

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