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    Chris Mathews Blasts...democrats?

    CHANGING OF THE GUARD
    Dems whacked for bringing up 'ethnically charged' Alito issue
    Chris Matthews decries document emphasizing judge failed to win '88 case against Italian mafia


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    MSNBC reporter Chris Matthews today hammered the Democratic Party, claiming it was circulating a document that emphasizes the fact Samuel Alito, President Bush's latest Supreme Court nominee, failed as a prosecutor to win a case against Italian mafia figures, suggesting the issue was highlighted because Alito is an Italian-American.

    "I'm sitting here holding in my hands a pretty disgusting document," Matthews told viewers of "MSNBC Live." "This is put out not for attribution, but it comes from the Democrats. They're circulating it; I can say that."

    In what he describes as a Democrat "complaint sheet," Matthews says, "The first thing they nail about this Italian American is he failed to win a mob conviction in a trial … way back in '88.

    "In other words, they nail him on not putting some Italian mobsters in jail from the [Lucchese] family. Why would they bring up this ethnically charged issue as the first item they raise against Judge Alito?"


    In 1988, Alito, then U.S. attorney for New Jersey, presided over a case where the alleged mafia defendants were acquitted of all 77 charges against them.

    The case was long and complicated, with testimony running 40,000 pages. Some jurors said they were simply overwhelmed by the trial.

    Alito's team of attorneys were the "prosecutors who couldn't shoot straight," one newspaper reported.

    Continued Matthews: "This is either a very bad coincidence or very bad politics. Either way it's going to hurt them. … Not abortion rights, not civil rights but that he failed to nail some mobsters in 1988 – this is the top of their list of what they've got against this guy. Amazingly bad politics."

    President Bush announced Alito's nomination this morning. Many conservative groups have enthusiastically come out in support of Alito, pointing out the appeals court judge has a proven track record of judicial restraint.
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    Re: Chris Mathews Blasts...democrats?

    That's all any of the talk show hosts today could talk about... the Democratic Talking Points, and how they believe that Alito was only nominated to take away attention from Friday's inditements....

    Hillarious...

    Personally... I've got my own theory... and it's almost akin to the "Take the attention away" theory that I mentioned above...

    Bush may not be that dumb afterall... First came the Roberts nomination... and the Right was fast to push him through as fast and strong as possible... then came Harriet Miers... and the Right dragged their feet, and put off the hearings, etc etc etc as long as possible... (I'm getting somewhere with this, don't fly off the handle yet!) Then, just as the inditements were being handed down, she withdrawls, and Bush nominates a Judge who will be seen as very conservative, and borderline start a fight on the hill... just in time for the winter break of both the house and senate... (Timed perfectly, and purposely - Miers nominated with NO INTENT of actually making it to SCOTUS, dropped at the start of inditements, and new contriversial nominiation WITH A GOOD CHANCE OF BECOMING SCOTUS JUDGE takes over all of the headlines)

    Who's going to be the first to cry foul when Bush and the Right push Alito through, Dems try to filibuster, and the Right says we'll stay here in session until this fight is over and we vote on Alito? (In other words, forcing an Up or Down vote, BEFORE they break for the holidays with the threat of staying in session?) All to ensure that the ultra-conservative Alito get's put onto the bench???

    Any takers???
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterGriffen
    That's all any of the talk show hosts today could talk about... the Democratic Talking Points, and how they believe that Alito was only nominated to take away attention from Friday's inditements....

    Hillarious...

    Personally... I've got my own theory... and it's almost akin to the "Take the attention away" theory that I mentioned above...

    Bush may not be that dumb afterall... First came the Roberts nomination... and the Right was fast to push him through as fast and strong as possible... then came Harriet Miers... and the Right dragged their feet, and put off the hearings, etc etc etc as long as possible... (I'm getting somewhere with this, don't fly off the handle yet!) Then, just as the inditements were being handed down, she withdrawls, and Bush nominates a Judge who will be seen as very conservative, and borderline start a fight on the hill... just in time for the winter break of both the house and senate... (Timed perfectly, and purposely - Miers nominated with NO INTENT of actually making it to SCOTUS, dropped at the start of inditements, and new contriversial nominiation WITH A GOOD CHANCE OF BECOMING SCOTUS JUDGE takes over all of the headlines)

    Who's going to be the first to cry foul when Bush and the Right push Alito through, Dems try to filibuster, and the Right says we'll stay here in session until this fight is over and we vote on Alito? (In other words, forcing an Up or Down vote, BEFORE they break for the holidays with the threat of staying in session?) All to ensure that the ultra-conservative Alito get's put onto the bench???

    Any takers???
    HA! I was thinking the same thing yesterday but refrained from stating it. Harriet Miers was just a shill, I dont' think she was ever meant to complete the process and make it to the hearings. And she was devoted to Bush enough to happily suffer the humiliation to help him out.


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    Re: Chris Mathews Blasts...democrats?

    Maybe I'm just a little too jaded from my upbringing in Chicago exposed to the inner workings of the politicians and their partners in crime of the Italian and Sicilian organized crime families, but isn't anybody else just the least bit concerned that these allegations you all are laughing at are true and Judge Alito is in bed with the crime families?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho70x
    Maybe I'm just a little too jaded from my upbringing in Chicago exposed to the inner workings of the politicians and their partners in crime of the Italian and Sicilian organized crime families, but isn't anybody else just the least bit concerned that these allegations you all are laughing at are true and Judge Alito is in bed with the crime families?
    Tommy,
    Same here, I grew up in a mob nieighborhood in NY. I think it's possible that Ailito took a dive. Don't forget that several Presidents have also gramted convicted mobsters Presidential pardons, [ Nixon for one: see the book "The Cult of Intelligence"] The Mob has had influence in the past at the highest levels of gov't, this is well documented. I think the case should be debated and revisited in the hearings.

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    Re: Chris Mathews Blasts...democrats?

    Bush Nominee For High Court Is Deeply Troubling, Says Americans United

    Monday, October 31, 2005

    http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr...s_iv_ctrl=1241

    Church-State Watchdog Group Says Alito Is Religious Right Favorite
    Americans United for Separation of Church and State today expressed strong concern over President George W. Bush’s nomination of Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court.
    Alito, a judge on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals since 1990, is a favorite of Religious Right leaders who have pressured Bush to select a high court nominee who meets their litmus tests on constitutional issues.
    “I am deeply troubled by this nomination,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “In several decisions, Judge Alito seems to be arguing for a closer relationship between church and state.”
    Lynn noted that research by Americans United’s Legal Department uncovered two cases dealing with government-sanctioned display of religious symbols, with Alito upholding the religious displays both times. In another case, Alito ruled that a public school was required to post flyers and distribute materials for a fundamentalist Christian group on the same basis as secular community groups.
    Lynn noted that Religious Right groups are celebrating the Alito nomination and that many have compared him to Justice Antonin Scalia, an acerbic opponent of church-state separation.
    “The country deserves a Supreme Court justice who will protect the rights of all Americans, not kowtow to the demands of the Religious Right,” Lynn said.
    The AU Legal Department, Lynn said, will continue to research Alito’s record. Aside from court rulings, AU attorneys will look for non-judicial writings, such as public speeches and articles, to flesh out his judicial philosophy.

    Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

    WE GOTTA KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS GUY.... NUFF SAID
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    Re: Chris Mathews Blasts...democrats?

    The name "Scalito"? Hardly an "attack" on Italian Americans-- it's a nickname that has been used by legal observers, friend and foe alike, to describe Alito's distinctly Scalia-like, far right judicial philosophies. And those legal observers have been using it for, at bare minimum, the last two years.

    As it turns out, the whole thing was a crude Swift Boat style attack on Democrats that was apparently orchestrated by reliable Republican A. Kenneth Ciongoli, crassly distributing his bigotry-baiting claim under the auspices of the National Italian American Foundation. Oh, and he's hardly a disinterested party -- his son, as it turns out, clerked for Alito.

    So within the span of half a day, an attack was manufactured, distributed to reliable Republican sources, and placed on MSNBC, which treated it as something they had themselves "discovered". And within that same half a day, it was tracked back from MSNBC to its original Republican source.

    And, as it turned out, the "disgusting" memo smearing Alito as Italian American didn't contain any such attack -- the attack was completely fabricated, by a Republican pushing the smear to Drudge, where it was picked up by every newsman in Washington fool enough to use Drudge as a source. By which to say, Chris Matthews.

    Drudge has long been a reliable outlet for Republican attack politics, in that he'll apparently print anything a Republican gives him, no matter how transparently fraudulent. But it's relevant to observe just how easily the bizarre "Democrats hate Italian Americans" smear moved from the usual Republican sources, was fed to Drudge, and then came out the other end of the beast to be spread all over town.

    This is the Republican "political genius", in its entirety. Make up a lie. Use Republican-backed outlets to distribute the lie. And hope like hell that the lie sucks all the air out of the actual American debate. It's the very cornerstone that the Fox News studios have been built on. Swift Boats aren't just for Vietnam -- they're the major mode of transportation for Republican lies and talking points all over this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    The name "Scalito"? Hardly an "attack" on Italian Americans-- it's a nickname that has been used by legal observers, friend and foe alike, to describe Alito's distinctly Scalia-like, far right judicial philosophies. And those legal observers have been using it for, at bare minimum, the last two years.

    As it turns out, the whole thing was a crude Swift Boat style attack on Democrats that was apparently orchestrated by reliable Republican A. Kenneth Ciongoli, crassly distributing his bigotry-baiting claim under the auspices of the National Italian American Foundation. Oh, and he's hardly a disinterested party -- his son, as it turns out, clerked for Alito.

    So within the span of half a day, an attack was manufactured, distributed to reliable Republican sources, and placed on MSNBC, which treated it as something they had themselves "discovered". And within that same half a day, it was tracked back from MSNBC to its original Republican source.

    And, as it turned out, the "disgusting" memo smearing Alito as Italian American didn't contain any such attack -- the attack was completely fabricated, by a Republican pushing the smear to Drudge, where it was picked up by every newsman in Washington fool enough to use Drudge as a source. By which to say, Chris Matthews.

    Drudge has long been a reliable outlet for Republican attack politics, in that he'll apparently print anything a Republican gives him, no matter how transparently fraudulent. But it's relevant to observe just how easily the bizarre "Democrats hate Italian Americans" smear moved from the usual Republican sources, was fed to Drudge, and then came out the other end of the beast to be spread all over town.

    This is the Republican "political genius", in its entirety. Make up a lie. Use Republican-backed outlets to distribute the lie. And hope like hell that the lie sucks all the air out of the actual American debate. It's the very cornerstone that the Fox News studios have been built on. Swift Boats aren't just for Vietnam -- they're the major mode of transportation for Republican lies and talking points all over this country.

    Huh? That's all very nice, but it has nothing to do with any part of what happened. Mathews was referring to the Democrat talking points that he got hold of...while mentioning that Alito was sometimes referred to as Scalito, the 'smear' was concerning a case that he lost involving gangsters-the implication that he was throwing the case to help his mob-buddies...as referenced in some of the above posted comments. How you can allege these kinds of things against Republicans as though you aren't a supporter of the dirtiest group of politicians EVER seen in Washington, is laughable. And bringing up the Swift-boat vets, a group that no one ever 'laid a glove on', no one ever discovered ANY kind of dishonesty or political agenda for, is actually kind of sweetly ironic.


    P.S. Let us not overlook the fact that the entire memo is an ACTUAL smear campaign against this man...it will be more fun than the rodeo watching the liberals try to denigrate and destroy this guy...unless he is has some serious skeletons they have NO reason to fight this other than that they are greasy bastards...none. He has been confirmed before unanimously TWICE...now see how hard they will work to destroy him because this President nominated him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    Huh? That's all very nice, but it has nothing to do with any part of what happened. Mathews was referring to the Democrat talking points that he got hold of...while mentioning that Alito was sometimes referred to as Scalito, the 'smear' was concerning a case that he lost involving gangsters-the implication that he was throwing the case to help his mob-buddies...as referenced in some of the above posted comments. How you can allege these kinds of things against Republicans as though you aren't a supporter of the dirtiest group of politicians EVER seen in Washington, is laughable. And bringing up the Swift-boat vets, a group that no one ever 'laid a glove on', no one ever discovered ANY kind of dishonesty or political agenda for, is actually kind of sweetly ironic.


    P.S. Let us not overlook the fact that the entire memo is an ACTUAL smear campaign against this man...it will be more fun than the rodeo watching the liberals try to denigrate and destroy this guy...unless he is has some serious skeletons they have NO reason to fight this other than that they are greasy bastards...none. He has been confirmed before unanimously TWICE...now see how hard they will work to destroy him because this President nominated him.
    You really are a piece of work...

    dot-dot-dot is a 'character set' known as 'ellipsis'.PERIOD NEW PARAGRAPH

    ...---...==S.O.S. which could be either Save-Our-Ship, Secretary-of-State, Standard-Operating-System, Same-old-sh*t, or Sh*t-on-shingle, depending on context and encoding USAGE:? at ?QUESTION MARK/Demarcation Point Manager TNID Statistics UNAVAILABLE. No Resources. Service does not exist)

    You can promote your palaver all day and all night if you like, but if "this guy"
    is dirty from throwing cases to the mob, I think we the people have a need to know for sure before we accept him as our next high court justice.

    "This guy's" religious prejudices also do pose some serious conflict of interest issues to people who are non-christian and less than hysterical right-wing W.A.S.P.s01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho70x
    You really are a piece of work...

    dot-dot-dot is a 'character set' known as 'ellipsis'.PERIOD NEW PARAGRAPH

    ...---...==S.O.S. which could be either Save-Our-Ship, Secretary-of-State, Standard-Operating-System, Same-old-sh*t, or Sh*t-on-shingle, depending on context and encoding USAGE:? at ?QUESTION MARK/Demarcation Point Manager TNID Statistics UNAVAILABLE. No Resources. Service does not exist)

    You can promote your palaver all day and all night if you like, but if "this guy"
    is dirty from throwing cases to the mob, I think we the people have a need to know for sure before we accept him as our next high court justice.

    "This guy's" religious prejudices also do pose some serious conflict of interest issues to people who are non-christian and less than hysterical right-wing W.A.S.P.s01.

    So...which items are those ? Or do you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, as per usual?

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