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    Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    Dave Sperling's ESLCafe.com - Censorship Scam In Progress!

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    Biggest is not always the best and Dave Sperling's ESL Cafe sure does not embrace freedom of speech. In fact, they outright censor and delete anyone who complains about 20 of their biggest advertisers which just happen to be blacklisted scams for years at just about every ESL/TEFL message board (ie like Angelina's ESL Cafe, China ESL, Rebecca Tang, Hangzhou Hellen, Golden Bridge, etc.) So if you complain about being cheated or abused by these employers, your post will be gone within 24 hours. If you repost your complaint, it will disappear yet again, and YOU will be banned! (They ban about 30 users every month according to one of their veteran users who also admitted to this here http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtop...l-tefl-forums/)

    They will not let people even mention where or how to find the better China foreign teacher jobs that pay teachers more than 16,000 yuan per month. Try posting a question like "Where for foreign teachers in China make the most money?" and it will be zapped quicker than a New Jersey fart at an Italian Wedding. Why? Because all the jobs they peddle at ESL Cafe are the crap jobs nobody else wants. They pay about 5,000 - 7,000 per month and they want the newbie China teachers to believe these low ball salaries are the norm (They are not just visit http://www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org and look at the pay and salary charts by region)

    So in short, ESLCafe is a big fraud that specializes in hustling new teachers who do not know any better. Half of the users are really agents masquerading as ESL teachers. The jig is up.

    Also users will start getting spammed with fake job offers and ads like this one here below. This is reminding me of the echinacities.com where databases of visitors were even being sold with resumes to known identity thieves (See http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com) Is ESLCAFE.com doing the same thing also? Just for fun, make a list of all the advertisers at ESLCafe and then look for them here:

    http://eslwatch.info/foreum/china

    http://www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org

    http://ChinaScamWatch.org

    http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com

    http://ChinaScamPatrol.wordpress.com

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    Sorry to say but this is old news. Devious Dave Sperling has been bamboozling people for years and kissing up to advertisers who buy the right to post any false adverstisement they choose since most expat teachers cannot afford to hire lawyers on the tiny salary they earn as TEFL/ESL teachers overseas. When you look at the history of ESL cafe you will see through archived posts online that the "creative editing" started years ago (2007). Here are just a few of the links;

    http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtop...t-eslcafe-com/

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ESL-Fo...oadcom-1085687

    http://teflblacklist.blogspot.com/20...-esl-cafe.html

    http://daveseslcafereview.blogspot.c...wer.htmlCached

    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?685391-Scam-Warning!-ESLCAFE-COM-deletes-fraud-alerts-amp-complaints-about-it-s-advertisers-daily

    http://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=4180.180

    https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.co...rest-for-sure/

    http://www.usingenglish.com/speaking...-esl-cafe.html

    http://chinateachers.proboards.com/thread/1529

    http://www.usingenglish.com/profiles...es/000350.html


    Let's be real, he did not start ESLcafe to help people. He started it as a business, and in that regard he succeeded. He makes a pile of money. To be fair, he never claimed he operated an honest or ethical business. Dave Sperling pledges his allegiance to the people who pay his bills - his advertisers. Unfortunately about one-third of them are scoundrels who cheat foreign teachers for a living.

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    ESLcafe has been getting away with their "creative editing" for years. The students of Korea really hate that forum and for a few years were scam baiting the many users there that are recruiters posing as "helpful teachers". In truth they are just shopping for resumes to then "help the newbie" find a job - for a $500 placement fee of course. If they help 5 or 6 visitors a week that is $12,000 a month and for that kind of money, they really don't care where the get the teacher placed or with what kind of visa. They do have a handful of legitimate users there but everyone knows the rules "Do not recommend anyone online that is not a paid advertiser with ESLCafe", and NEVER ever accuse any of those advertisers of cheating teachers in any way. In this day and age with access to SAIC, SAFEA, and CFTU white lists, employer registrations, and blacklists, there really is no need for ESL Cafe any longer - except for lazy people who don't mind make a few thousand dollars less every year.

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    Dave Sperling is just another money whore. He cares less about shit like this http://ChinaScamWatch.org
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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    P.S. Dave is not the only "Creative Editor" as you can see here: http://eslwatch.info/articles/asia-a...a-article.html But clearly he is the most blatant and worst offender IMO.

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    Only naive and gullible newbie teachers buy into the bullshit low-pay jobs at Dave's ESLsafe.com. The only way to go is direct. You can get a director of all the China FAO of white-listed schools from the CFTU for free. http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    ESLCafe.com is a blatant fraud - lets not beat around the bush. They peddle shit jobs to gullible newbie teachers and anyone who tries to warn them gets banned. Any questions? Just look at the post counts of all the users. Those with over 1,000 posts are ESL/TEFL recruiters which loiter on the job boards and wait for fresh meat like vultures. They pose as "fellow teachers" and they offer "helpful advice". Then they use their other user ID to start soliciting the newbies with PMs (personal messages) while their "teacher IDs" say good things about the recruiter being suggested in the PMs! They have been doing this for at least the last three years - maybe longer.

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    Well, at least the moderators admit that they "do not promote nor guarantee freedom of speech" and "We regularly delete complaints that we feel are subjective". Of course victims of employment fraud are going to be "subjective" (PISSED OFF!). What they should really say is...

    "We regularly delete any and all negative comments about anyone who buys advertising from us to make sure that income stream is continued even if the advertisers are fraudsters who are ripping off teachers left and right. At ESL Cafe, money comes first, last, and always. If you like Ethics and honorable policies please look for Ethics.com and stay out out of our forum discussions"
    Trust only your birth mother!

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    How many foreign English teachers were arrested because of ESLCafe?

    More ESLCafe Censorship - They don't even mind if their job applicants are using or even buying fake diplomas on their web site or the fact that the expats who get caught using them in China will get arrested and spend a few weeks eating rice behind bars! Here is just their latest deletion...

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    Trust only your birth mother!

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    I borrowed this from an ESL Jobs forum and it seems she should have posted here at Scam.com where it would do more good. I personally have noticed a lot of irregularities at that website and find a lot of people (maybe over a hundred online) who say they were banned simply for complaining about being cheated by ESLcafe advertisers.


    "My eslcafe.com experience is one I never saw coming and it is such a sneaky scam that it took me a week to figure it out. Here is what happened;

    I have been teaching ESL for 12 years and the last three in Asia. Until yesterday I often visited ESLCafe not for the crappy - low pay jobs that made them famous, but to get news of pay scales around the world and to track down old colleagues. But after yesterday, I will never visit that viper pit again. At the bottom of this post I put some links I found today of other people who had similar experiences as myself, so you guys don't think I am nuts or something.

    About a week ago I went to ESLCafe and noticed a very good paying job in the city where I now teach offering 6,000 yuan more per month plus an apartment. This was the first time I ever saw 20,000 rmb job offered at ESLCafe so I applied immediately.

    Within 2-3 days I received 4 PMs from users of Dave's ESL offering me different jobs in the 10,000rmb range. HOW THE HELL DID THEY KNOW I LOOKING FOR A JOB BECAUSE THAT 20,000 DREAM JOB WAS THE ONLY JOB I HAD APPLIED FOR IN OVER A YEAR?!?!?. They danced around my question and I never heard from anyone about that 20,000 job that was advertised. So I sent another email asking fior a follow-up since I have a degree in Education and was qualified for the position.

    No answer - but instead I received 3 more PMs with different job offerings and this time the PMs started giving me other ESLCafe users as "references"! Maybe I am not as stupid as they hoped I would be.

    So I went to the ESLCafe forum to explain what happened and asked all these users to publicly explain how they got my email and my phone number less than a week after I applied for a job that did not seem to exist. My post was deleted. So I posted another one to the attention of the Moderator. It too was deleted. Then when I went to post again, I got a message that I was "BANNED"!

    This morning I suddenly get an email from the first place I applied to telling me that the position was filled "last month" yet the date the ad was posted was only 12 days ago, and as of today was still posted. So when I googled the email address at ESL*******@yahoo.com I found it was linked to 19 different complaints of recruiter fraud and identified 2 users at Dave's ESLCafe. Some of the complaints go back to 2013 and the post counts of the two users are both over 3,000. That mean's "Dave" certainly knows of and condones this shady BS. This is why they are now ancient history for me. Guide yourself accordingly guys and gals.

    This is the stuff I found about them today at other forums and scam sites...

    http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/phpbbfo...17e0b#p1971277

    http://eslwatch.info/forum/china/274...chers.html#780

    http://www.realscam.com/f8/scam-aler...456/#post97336

    http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtop...l-tefl-forums/

    http://www.tefl.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6978

    I forgot to mention that one of the guys who called me (i put my name on my resume) and used Nomad Soul as a reference, asked me if I wanted to buy a TEFL certificate and/or a university degree "that will never be detected because it's an exact duplicate of an Iowa State degree". He said the only reason people get caught with phony degrees is because they always use the "big name" universities! I told him I already real documents.

    I wonder how many other people got banned just asking for honest answers and explanations?"

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    I think Sperling has a full-time hacker working for him. Last month I saw about 3 dozen complaints about ESLCafe.com on the first 5 pages of Google search results and now they have been "pushed down" to pages 18-22. He should be criminally prosecuted imo because he helps expat foreign teachers get arrested and jailed for visa fraud and working illegally abroad. https://www.reddit.com/r/TEFL/commen...s_eslcafe_the/

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyber Snoop View Post
    Dave Sperling's ESLCafe.com - Censorship Scam In Progress!

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    Biggest is not always the best and Dave Sperling's ESL Cafe sure does not embrace freedom of speech. In fact, they outright censor and delete anyone who complains about 20 of their biggest advertisers which just happen to be blacklisted scams for years at just about every ESL/TEFL message board (ie like Angelina's ESL Cafe, China ESL, Rebecca Tang, Hangzhou Hellen, Golden Bridge, etc.) So if you complain about being cheated or abused by these employers, your post will be gone within 24 hours. If you repost your complaint, it will disappear yet again, and YOU will be banned! (They ban about 30 users every month according to one of their veteran users who also admitted to this here http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtop...l-tefl-forums/)

    They will not let people even mention where or how to find the better China foreign teacher jobs that pay teachers more than 16,000 yuan per month. Try posting a question like "Where for foreign teachers in China make the most money?" and it will be zapped quicker than a New Jersey fart at an Italian Wedding. Why? Because all the jobs they peddle at ESL Cafe are the crap jobs nobody else wants. They pay about 5,000 - 7,000 per month and they want the newbie China teachers to believe these low ball salaries are the norm (They are not just visit http://www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org and look at the pay and salary charts by region)

    So in short, ESLCafe is a big fraud that specializes in hustling new teachers who do not know any better. Half of the users are really agents masquerading as ESL teachers. The jig is up.

    Also users will start getting spammed with fake job offers and ads like this one here below. This is reminding me of the echinacities.com where databases of visitors were even being sold with resumes to known identity thieves (See http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com) Is ESLCAFE.com doing the same thing also? Just for fun, make a list of all the advertisers at ESLCafe and then look for them here:

    http://eslwatch.info/foreum/china

    http://www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org

    http://ChinaScamWatch.org

    http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com

    http://ChinaScamPatrol.wordpress.com

    Heh heh ! You are right OP. I tried it myself to see. I signed up as user "Longer" and started posting. Within 3 days I was getting contacted by users with more than 2,000 post counts that "Joined as far back as 2009" offering me really shitty jobs and trying to tell me that "5,000 a month is average for a new teacher in China.". I played with them all telling them I had to have at least 8,000 a month and then they started to recommend that I contact certain people like Eric Winder at China ESL (both i see are blacklisted all over the place).

    So then, I finally went the direct approach and post the link to the OP here at scam.com and asked them to come clean and explain why they set people up to get cheated? Immediate deletion within the hour even though I got about 80 views in that hour. When I went to post again, this is what I found on my screen:

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    This is absolutely true. I just posted a fraud warning last week about Worlda English and i-to-i tefl which was caught posting ads for jobs that did not even exist. They advertise a high paying job and then you are told the job was "already filled". Then a week later you start getting calls from employers you never heard of and you never sent them your contact info, yet they insist they have your resume. ESLcafe is selling your resume - over and over again! Genuine assholes. So when I public asked why they did this without my permission, they deleted my post. When I complained about the deletion, and the fake ads, I got banned!

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    That's a great post OP. ESLCafe even had posted ads of many "black" schools openly advertising "Teach in China, no experience or degree required. - 20,000 per month". This is an obvious scam web site that fools people by being old and huge, falsely claiming they would not be operating all these years if they were doing something wrong. How the hell would we know when they delete and ban anyone who complains about being cheated by their paid advertisers.!?! See http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com because ESLCafe was caught doing the same damn thing in 2015.
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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    Do you think they are pushing some kind of agenda when they delete comments or they just do it to undermine the credibility of the netizens on their forum. Is it purely to back their ad-backers?

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    Re: Scam Warning! ESLCAFE.COM deletes fraud alerts & complaints about it's advertisers daily

    Dave Sperling would probably post ads for pedophile ESL teachers so long as their checks cleared.

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