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  1. #17
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    Re: Refugee placement

    Posted by Spector
    Tulip. I just have go back to your comment that America should deal with its problems first.

    I cant completely disagree. However it should be noted that ISIL and there action is an American problem.

    a decade ago the US decided that Iraq was its problem and wilfully ignored its allies as they told Bush at the time to mind his own business and leave it alone.

    With Iraqs military, police and power structure gone and millions of people who lost loved ones it swelled and created Isil.

    It it would be wrong to lay this all at Americas feet but it would Also be wrong ignore the fact that ISIL and its allies gained power, as a direct result of the war in Iraq and the power vacuum it created.


    France in particular deserves an apology for this since the were vilified before the war with Iraq for vetoing the US's attempt to have it sanctioned and now they are forced to bare the brunt of the humanitarian and security crisis that was caused.
    I was referring to the United States letting Isis refugees come to the United States. The media has said the majority of the Syrian refugees are young men. Like others have said it would be best to have the Syrian refugees housed in countries where they could most easily adjust.

    As far as the United States being involved in the fight against Isis we need to think it all through and stick with a plan. With the Iraq war it seems nobody thought it through and we were not prepared to stay with the plan for as long as it took to be successful. Politics gets in the way of wars and it ends up being a waste of lives and money. Isis is spread all over the place and it will take years and years to get the threat under control. Do we want to put our military on the ground etc, spend lots and lots of money and have this turn out a failure because the United States and others will end up not carrying through until the end? Not to mention the harm wars cost everyone who becomes involved in one way or another.

    Gov. Christie from New Jersey explained his state already has Syrian refugees which were placed there by Catholic Charities and other religious charities and he was never notified by the government they were placed in his state. So from what he says we must have many states who already have Syrian refugees and we'll see if any of these refugees end up participating in terrorist attacks against us. I truly have thought the attacks would have already started. We'll see if Obama is correct and we have nothing to worry about as far as Isis. What takes place here in the United States as far as attacks will influence our politicians on how to handle the threat from Isis. If we have no attacks the fight will continue with our politicians on how to handle the issue. If we do have attacks our politicians will come together with an aggressive plan but will they carry through with the plan so that it will be a success, I doubt it.

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    in the final analysis, what does any of this have to do with ECONOMICS?! the failure to COMPLETE anything from intended goals concerning problem solving to supporting individual civic personal responsibilities!? isn't MONEY always a critical part of the equational rationalizing no matter where on the PYRAMID of control or power 1 finds themselves?! someone has said we dont need gov interfering from cradle to grave?! then what should be it's replacement!? i just dont see how in a FREE society there will ever be complete safety and security and trying to implement such an idea is just political PANDERING?! the question is how do we institute/impregnate a feeling of national identity/duty/care without resorting to official nationalism/socialism?! :judges: :spin2:yb::king22:
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    I know what you referring too =)

    I was just pointing out that it is kinda poor to destabilize and entire region, blow up infrastructure and leave Europe and other countries holding the bag with the humanitarian crisis that the US caused.

    Than question even taking some of the load.

    also the vast majority have gone to countries where they could more easily adjust. According to the previous map over 4 million relocated to another part of the middle east.


    From what I can find about 300,000 have found there way to Europe as refugees and most countries are only accepting about 20-25,000 people as actual citizens and not refugees. You can bet the ones they want to keep will be engineers, and other well trained people etc.

    Keep in mind these are REFUGEES it does not mean that they are staying or want to stay.



    Also I have to agree that going in without a long term plan is waste of American lives and money...

    However, because America went in without thinking last time...... Despite the very strong warnings of it's allies. It is now a waste of it's ALLIES TIME AND MONEY. As Well as a waste of the middle east's time and money, and the lives of over 4+ MILLION people.

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    Spector, so you're holding the United States totally responsible for the up rise of Isil and also the mess in Syria? Sounds like you also think no other countries should want to associate with us or trust us.

    I realize the Syrians would be coming here under refugee status but that status can last for years. I doubt Syria will be a place they would be able to return to anytime soon. I think most of these refugees would want to stay here in America for a pro longed time just because they would be safe and taken care of also they can apply to bring their family and relatives here too.

    http://www.state.gov/j/prm/releases/...013/210135.htm

    http://www.state.gov/j/prm/releases/...013/210135.htm

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    Tom as far as what Christie was saying about the Syrian refugees being in New Jersey without him being notified is most likely politically motivated talk. I need to do a little research on the subject, not sure if because of the terrorist threat the rules would be different for states having refugee placement.

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    I don't know who this guy is but he spells it out pretty clearly about the poor and imigration


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    Tulip
    Spector, so you're holding the United States totally responsible for the up rise of Isil and also the mess in Syria? Sounds like you also think no other countries should want to associate with us or trust us.

    I realize the Syrians would be coming here under refugee status but that status can last for years. I doubt Syria will be a place they would be able to return to anytime soon. I think most of these refugees would want to stay here in America for a pro longed time just because they would be safe and taken care of also they can apply to bring their family and relatives here too.
    I'm not holding the US totally responsible. However, they are Largely responsible.

    ISIL rose to power in the power vacuum created by the destruction Iraq and the climate of fear and hate the war in Iraq created within the middle east.

    and no countries should not trust the US when it comes to war or even trade deals for that matter.

    Look at from my point of view.

    The US was attacked and as one of the US many allies Canada along with many others rallied behind it to find and Destroy the perpetrators. Something that we were more than happy to do.

    However, the US quickly got bored of that. and decided that Iraq was more important (axis of evil). It than ignored and vilified it's allies for not agreeing with them. As the ABANDONED there mission, Letting the terrorists escape, largely still intact. Prolonging the war in Afghanistan, increasing and more than doubling the terrorists threats.

    that brings us to present day. Where Europe, gets to deal with a disestablished Middle east, and rising terrorism, as the US sits thousand miles away debating weather or not they should help out or not.


    Don't get me wrong. I don't blame the US's citizens for this.

    I'm not saying that countries shouldn't associate with the US.

    That we are just very aware now that the US does what it want's. and whatever agreements it makes are subject to change.

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    I had to read up on refugees and the laws. After World War II countries signed agreements to take in refugees and the Gulf countries did not agree. The Gulf countries to give money to help refugees but the United States and the UK have given the most to the Syrian crisis. The Gulf countries do take migrants and have large populations of migrants who work for a few weeks and then leave.

    Here in the States a state can not refuse to take in refugees, it is a Federal government law not a state law. All of the states that have said they will not take Syrian refugees will have to take them according to the way the law reads.
    If we should have terror attacks in the coming weeks and everyone panics and decides we should not take in refugees who could pose a terrorist threat, I don't know how the United States would make that happen legally.

    Now we have politicians not only concerned about illegal immigration but refugees that might pose a terrorist threat. If the United States does not have a terrorist attack in the coming weeks and months will this concern end up being ignored and nothing changed? Would we consider stopping any refugee from coming to the United States?

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    belongs in above post


    http://www.bloombergview.com/article...more-refugees-

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    I was just listening to the news and they're already starting votes on issues that could pass laws on accepting refugees into the U.S. Laws will have to change if states are going to be able to refuse refugees with possible terrorist links.

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    Re: Refugee placement

    States aren't powerless right now.

    This is going to o cause a HUGE Trump or Cruz landslide. This will be THE fight of 2016!

    I thank Obama for being the arrogant SOB that he is!
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    2016 is a LONG ways away so much can happen between then and now...including NOTHING HERE as far as terror is concerned....and i dont see obama any more arrogant than TRUMP!! or OTHERS in the political arena...:madgo: : :spin2: :judges:
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