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    43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/is...892990/page-43

    I had a thread going where I showed numerous sites that were unrelated to MLM or business in general, and showed threads where MLM became the topic. The opinions and accounts are always overwhelmingly negative towards MLM. This one is no different
    MLM's Mission Statement:

    "The primary product is opportunity. The strongest, most powerful motivational force today is false hope."

    "Almost everyone is not going to learn the skills and use them consistently over time, you would be better off joining Costco" -Dank111

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    Wow what a sad life you lead; imagine if you did something positive with your time.
    "People are not interested in your product or your business; they are interested in solving their own problems." -- James Dillehay, Entrepreneur and Author

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    Every so often I search "vemma scam," "vemma ftc," "vemma shut down," to see what turns up. It's exciting to see that an MLM finally got it's pee-pee smacked for engaging in pyramid-like behavior such as endless chain recruiting with very little retailing, requiring affiliate PV to qualify for a bonus, misleading/inflated income claims, things like that. Any scumbag who would market a product called "God's Recipe" and try to bilk innocent people by claiming that it cures ADD/ADHD deserves to lose everything and remain financially ruined for the rest of his life. Benson, or "BK" as he calls himself after his last company got shut down, had no problem with the YPR thing, because it was a financial windfall for him. He could never hope to feign ignorance of that scam.

    Other than screwing off on the internet, my life is quite full, thank you - family, firehouse work, CF, Gracie Jits, several OT-funded vacations after maxing out deferred comp to supplement my pension (real residual income), not having to hunt for downlines and spend time away from my family and friends due to giving presentations and attending unfunded distributor meetings and conventions, things like that.

    Anyway, anyone looking through the IGN thread above can see what people really think about MLM.
    MLM's Mission Statement:

    "The primary product is opportunity. The strongest, most powerful motivational force today is false hope."

    "Almost everyone is not going to learn the skills and use them consistently over time, you would be better off joining Costco" -Dank111

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    Yes I've just read a few of them. They are the same few posters you see all over the net, people like yourself who don't understand MLM, ne'er do wells who are failures in life like yourself; people who are jealous of anyone else trying to better themselves. Nothing to see there.
    "People are not interested in your product or your business; they are interested in solving their own problems." -- James Dillehay, Entrepreneur and Author

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    What's there to understand? MLM is recruiter/customers recruiting recruiter/customers recruiting recruiter/customers, with little to no retail. Because there is little to no retail, this is basically a pyramid scheme. Because there is little to no retail, the end result, easily seen on any MLM's IDS, is that 99% make little to no money (lose money after business expenses), and the top 1% and company owners get almost all of the profit. Here's one example; most IDS look eerily similar:



    The products are overpriced because each sale generate commission overrides over many distributor levels. MLM'ers say that MLM saves $$$ on advertising, but when you look at the figures, you'll see that the products are much more expensive than their competition because of the need to pay out on multiple levels. It's quite ironic. That inflated price serves to funnel money up the pyramid just like an actual pyramid scheme - it's just better disguised because there is a product. The inflated price is the pyramid part, but it's hidden within the price itself.

    There is a typical PV requirement for a distributor to qualify for bonuses. Without this, sales would plummet. The company needs a way to keep it's distributors (pretty much the only customers) buying - the financial incentive. The vast majority of distributors leave after less than one year with a MLM company. The MLM'er needs to constantly recruit to replace the failures. Savvy distributors have discovered that they are selling themselves, not products, so they amass a downline, then move from company to company to exploit them, and get more downlines.

    There is no retirement on MLM residuals alone. You stop working the business, it will wither and die. The company could close down, like New Vision International, Zeek Rewards, and likely VEMMA in the near future, a downline jumper could decimate your downline. Market saturation will surely rear it's ugly head at some point. Either start anew by expanding into new countries for some fresh meat, or begin the decline. See below:

    The VEMMA court decision showed that distributors should not be considered customers, that there needs to be a clear definition as to who's a customer and who's a distributor. VEMMA's answer is to drop their product pricing dramatically and have a fire sale to clear their warehouse and hopefully show some measure of "retailing."

    Not sure what I'm missing. Anyone who spends five minutes in MLM and stops drinking the kool-aid will make similar observations.
    MLM's Mission Statement:

    "The primary product is opportunity. The strongest, most powerful motivational force today is false hope."

    "Almost everyone is not going to learn the skills and use them consistently over time, you would be better off joining Costco" -Dank111

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    Here's a simplified but accurate explanation of how MLM works in the field:

    http://www.mlmmyth.org/the-mlm-gas-s...-8-gallon-gas/
    MLM's Mission Statement:

    "The primary product is opportunity. The strongest, most powerful motivational force today is false hope."

    "Almost everyone is not going to learn the skills and use them consistently over time, you would be better off joining Costco" -Dank111

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    Funny how MLM apologists like Chris Doyle thinks nobody can be successfu unless they are in MLM. Or that everyone who doesn't succeed doesn't work hard, or doesn't understand MLM.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    Correct, you don't need to spend ten years failing in MLM to understand it, and be able to use critical thinking to discover MLM's many flaws. Actually, if someone spent 5-10 years doing MLM before they finally stopped drinking the kool-aid and we're finally able to see the forest for the trees, I would question their intelligence and critical thinking capabilities more so than someone who can come to the same conclusions without losing a significant amount of opportunity cost (time and money) in MLM.

    The intelligent ones are the ones that join and then quit fairly quickly before they lose any money, and the ones that look at the facts and figures and decide to never get involved in the first place.
    MLM's Mission Statement:

    "The primary product is opportunity. The strongest, most powerful motivational force today is false hope."

    "Almost everyone is not going to learn the skills and use them consistently over time, you would be better off joining Costco" -Dank111

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    JokeyFool: Funny how MLM apologists like Chris Doyle thinks nobody can be successfu unless they are in MLM. Or that everyone who doesn't succeed doesn't work hard, or doesn't understand MLM.


    Can you link to where I've ever stated that ''nobody can be successful unless they are in MLM''?
    Thanks.
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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    ]BoxAlarm:Correct, you don't need to spend ten years failing in MLM to understand it, and be able to use critical thinking to discover MLM's many flaws. Actually, if someone spent 5-10 years doing MLM before they finally stopped drinking the kool-aid and we're finally able to see the forest for the trees, I would question their intelligence and critical thinking capabilities more so than someone who can come to the same conclusions without losing a significant amount of opportunity cost (time and money) in MLM.

    The intelligent ones are the ones that join and then quit fairly quickly before they lose any money, and the ones that look at the facts and figures and decide to never get involved in the first place.





    The amount of years is different for all; the important factor is learning the correct skills then applying them consistently for however long it takes, something very few people ever do.
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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    I hope the Herbalife investigators use the Vemma case to shut down that scam as well. Chris is alone now defending MLM. Let's show compassion. Congrats, anti-MLMers!
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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    ''As Well''? Ooops..Vemma hasn't been shut down. ''Chris is alone''? Ooops....there would be tens of millions of MLMr's worldwide that would disagree with that.
    Try again.
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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    When did Vemma re-open their doors for business?
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    They're in the process of doing so now. The TRO was withdrawn and assets unfrozen. Keep up jokey, it's all available on the net.
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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    So in other words, Vemma is still closed. Glad we finally got there.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: 43 page thread on a gaming forum slamming VEMMA, from 2013 to the present

    Facepalm.....
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