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    Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Josh Duggar sex scandal:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/t...ndal/27741883/

    I don't usually follow the TLC show 19 Kids and Counting but I when I'd scan through it I couldn't help but cringe at the pious self-righteousness of the parents and the older children.

    There seemed to be something not quite right with "the perfect family". To me there seems to be a pattern when one tries to sell and publicly display their holy lifestyle. Inevitably the cracks appear and reality sneaks through.

    I have always felt that anyone of faith should quietly live their lives as spiritually as they can. Never boast about your faith and demonstrate it through your daily actions not your boasts.

    I really can't see this show staying on when all of the revelations come out. I wonder if it would have been different if the family had been forthright to begin with.

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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    So, another 'do-good' christian hypocrite crashes and burns in front of the whole nation...

    Awesome! ....and loving it!

    I have always felt that anyone of faith should quietly live their lives as spiritually as they can. Never boast about your faith and demonstrate it through your daily actions not your boasts.
    Amen to that brutha! :rasta:
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    As long as it is acceptable for a person to beLIEve that he knows how god wants everyone on Earth to live, we will continue to murder one another on account of our myths. ~ Sam Harris, 'The End Of Faith'
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    So, another 'do-good' christian hypocrite crashes and burns in front of the whole nation...

    Awesome! ....and loving it!
    Certainly he did wrong and hopefully had to pay for his crime, although committed when he was still considered a minor. Still, old enough to know better.

    And you "love it" because you're perfect and have never done anything wrong?
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    Certainly he did wrong and hopefully had to pay for his crime, although committed when he was still considered a minor. Still, old enough to know better.
    From the link:

    In his statement, Josh Duggar said he confessed to his parents and they "took several steps" to address the situation. He also apologized to the victims.
    "We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoing, and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling. I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life."


    Josh Duggar was never charged with a crime, and the statute of limitations has now expired.


    InTouch reported that his father took Josh to an Arkansas state trooper who was a personal friend, who took no action other than a "very stern talk." That officer is now serving a 56-year term in prison for child pornography, the magazine reported, and no case was ever brought against Josh Duggar.
    Apparently he was accused of molesting some of his sisters. As this investigation gets deeper I think there will be more questions.
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    cnn.com/2015/05/21/us/josh-duggar-child-molestation-allegations/index.html
    Quote Originally Posted by CNN
    TLC pulled all episodes of the show currently set to air, according to Shannon Llanes, a spokeswoman for the network.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    Certainly he did wrong and hopefully had to pay for his crime, although committed when he was still considered a minor. Still, old enough to know better.
    I concur with that.


    Unfortunately, many States no longer consider Juvenile Court records as 'sealed' once the offender reaches the age of 18.

    I would also point out that per http://imgur.com/a/zqPMi#0 the most serious was;
    SEXUAL ASSAULT 2ND
    Per acasa.us/pdfs/Sexual-assault-laws.pdf;
    Arkansas Code 5-14-101.
    Sexual Assault Definitions:
    ...
    (2) "Forcible compulsion" means physical force or a threat, express or implied, of death or physical injury to or kidnapping of any person;
    AK law then goes on to state;
    Arkansas Code 5-14-103. Sexual Assault Second Degree:

    (A) A person commits sexual assault in the second degree if the person:
    (1) Engages in sexual contact with another person by forcible compulsion; or
    (2) Engages in sexual contact with another person who is incapable of consent because the person is physically helpless, mentally defective, or mentally incapacitated; or
    (3) Being eighteen (18) years of age or older, engages in sexual contact with the sex organs of another person, not the person's spouse, who is less than fourteen (14) years of age.
    (4) Engages in sexual contact with another person who is less than eighteen (18) years of age and the person:
    (a) Is employed with the Department of Correction, Department of Community Punishment, any city or county jail or any juvenile detention facility, and the minor is in custody at one of the facilities operated by the agency or contractor employing the person;
    I'd point out that he was not charged with Rape.

    Per AK law sexual crimes have the following classifications;
    Rape
    Sexual Assault First Degree
    Sexual Assault Second Degree
    Sexual Assault Third Degree
    Sexual Assault Fourth Degree

    And as pointed out above, this document does not show that he was charged.

    Only that a complaint was filed.

    Note that the document is a police report, not a court document.
    Last edited by nomaxim; 05-22-2015 at 04:20 PM.
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    Certainly he did wrong and hopefully had to pay for his crime, although committed when he was still considered a minor. Still, old enough to know better.

    And you "love it" because you're perfect and have never done anything wrong?
    No, I love it cause he's made a public issue of what a good little christian he is...he's obviously just another christian hypocrite, exactly like you, jhokey!

    Hypocrisy seems to be a widespread trait with u christian types... Just following the example of your jealous 'loving' gawd I guess.
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    No, I love it cause he's made a public issue of what a good little christian he is...he's obviously just another christian hypocrite, exactly like you, jhokey!

    Hypocrisy seems to be a widespread trait with u christian types... Just following the example of your jealous 'loving' gawd I guess.
    Why would I be a hypocrite? I'm not preaching some holier than thou message.

    In fact, it would be YOU who's sending that kind of message.

    Someone of faith is no better and certainly not different than anyone else in world. They have the same struggles and temptations.

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    Why would I be a hypocrite? I'm not preaching some holier than thou message.
    That's a laugh...:crazy1:

    Everywhere you go it's liar this liar that....and here's YOU & your BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by joecool44

    "I'm not hiding my identity."

    Just who the hell is joecool44??...Click Here!

    ~~~

    (After he was confronted about the obvious lie, he responded with the following...)

    ~"Not it's not (a lie!). Just because you're incapable of finding the information doesn't mean I'm hiding it."

    ~~~ Then later...

    "What am I hiding? My true identity and I've been quite successful at it."

    ~~~More jhokey nonsense...re:gaawd

    "Some bible mysteries such as virgin birth and Jonah surviving three days in a whale's belly have been scientifically proven. And we know the gift of tongues is true as well."

    ~~~ And he thinks he's a saint too!!

    "The Bible says all those who believe in Christ are saints."
    In your dreams, ...No saints here, pal! Not by a long shot! rofl

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    In fact, it would be YOU who's sending that kind of message.
    Yeah right...:crazy1:

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    Someone of faith is no better and certainly not different than anyone else in world. They have the same struggles and temptations.
    Someone of faith is being taken advantage of IMO.

    I have no problem with most of the individuals and their beliefs. We can do with out organized religion, and the sooner we dispense with the scrutiny of bronze age myths in our lives and government the better, jmo.

    If we can't get rid of it we should at least tax the bastards....

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
    Ohhh blow it out your ass...ya religious hypocrite.

    Maybe this will help, it's in your language. :crazy1:

    Proverbs 19:9

    Exodus 20:16

    Revelation 21:8 ~But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

    Mark 10:19

    You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’”

    Now you can just STFU, please...:rasta:
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    That's a laugh...:crazy1:

    Everywhere you go it's liar this liar that....and here's YOU & your BS.



    In your dreams, ...No saints here, pal! Not by a long shot! rofl

    Yeah right...:crazy1:

    Someone of faith is being taken advantage of IMO.

    I have no problem with most of the individuals and their beliefs. We can do with out organized religion, and the sooner we dispense with the scrutiny of bronze age myths in our lives and government the better, jmo.

    If we can't get rid of it we should at least tax the bastards....

    Ohhh blow it out your ass...ya religious hypocrite.

    Maybe this will help, it's in your language. :crazy1:

    Proverbs 19:9

    Exodus 20:16

    Revelation 21:8 ~But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

    Mark 10:19

    You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’”

    Now you can just STFU, please...:rasta:

    You're portraying a "holier than thou" attitude in your anti - theist way.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by noagenda View Post
    From the link:

    Apparently he was accused of molesting some of his sisters. As this investigation gets deeper I think there will be more questions.
    His sacred holy book insists that the world was populated via incest, so, the bible's on board with his affliction I'm sure.

    Praise gawd in his infinite wisdom...?! :crazy1:
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    You're portraying a "holier than thou" attitude in your anti - theist way.
    Yep, ya come out swingin talking tough, yet when you're slapped upside the head point-blank with your own bullshit nonsense, you run away whimpering with your tail stuffed up your crack...

    Effin hilarious!
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Yep, ya come out swingin talking tough, yet when you're slapped upside the head point-blank with your own bullshit nonsense, you run away whimpering with your tail stuffed up your crack...

    Effin hilarious!
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations.
    Last edited by nomaxim; 05-23-2015 at 04:45 PM.
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations.
    Sorry, I'm not sure what your point is, and I don't think the links you provided work?!

    Try again...?
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Sorry, I'm not sure what your point is, and I don't think the links you provided work?!

    Try again...?
    Feel free to point out any errors in my posts.

    I'd be more then happy to correct them.

    I'd also be more then happy to apologize for any possible errors I may have made.
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    Re: Duggar Sex Abuse Scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    Feel free to point out any errors in my posts.

    I'd be more then happy to correct them.

    I'd also be more then happy to apologize for any possible errors I may have made.
    The joecool links in your post default back to the forum index, and the rest of your post doesn't make much sense.

    What am I missing?

    Thanks just the same!
    Last edited by ohein56; 05-23-2015 at 06:03 PM.
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