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    The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    When did it happen? Was it when the chosen people refused to obey the Lord's commandments? Was it when Jesus died and the gospel authors got it wrong because Jesus was God? Was it when thousands of religions sprung up and declared they were the word of God? When was it?

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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Maybe it was when you and so many others bet on the wrong god? :

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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    When did it happen? Was it when the chosen people refused to obey the Lord's commandments? Was it when Jesus died and the gospel authors got it wrong because Jesus was God? Was it when thousands of religions sprung up and declared they were the word of God? When was it?
    Yes!!

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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    When did it happen? Was it when the chosen people refused to obey the Lord's commandments? Was it when Jesus died and the gospel authors got it wrong because Jesus was God? Was it when thousands of religions sprung up and declared they were the word of God? When was it?
    Didn't it have something to do with some hottie, a talking snake and an apple?!

    As long as it is acceptable for a person to beLIEve that he knows how god wants everyone on Earth to live, we will continue to murder one another on account of our myths. ~ Sam Harris, 'The End Of Faith'
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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Didn't it have something to do with some hottie, a talking snake and an apple?!

    Maybe it has been since humans became civilized; then, they gained power over all other species. When have they been obedient?

    It depends on your preference. A paved meadow for a freeway, or a lush green land for nature.
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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    Maybe it has been since humans became civilized; then, they gained power over all other species. When have they been obedient?
    Define obedient?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    It depends on your preference. A paved meadow for a freeway, or a lush green land for nature.
    Huh?!

    As far as biblical terms go, humans were 'condemned and disobedient' long before the earth started straining ecologically from our usage....

    Cnance, question, I've asked some of the other 'believers' here and haven't received an adequate answer...can you please explain, re:the judeo-christian bible is concerned, how/why, is homosexuality immoral?

    What makes it a sin to 'be' gay?
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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Define obedient?
    Obeying God's commandments.


    Huh?!

    As far as biblical terms go, humans were 'condemned and disobedient' long before the earth started straining ecologically from our usage....

    Cnance, question, I've asked some of the other 'believers' here and haven't received an adequate answer...can you please explain, re:the judeo-christian bible is concerned, how/why, is homosexuality immoral?
    I agree because I think paradise happened before humans, it was during the dinosaur era. However, God gave humans a chance to be obedient through his chosen people. That didn't work out.

    According to the OT there is a lot of behavior that is deviant. It was God's way of making his chosen people holy. God's rules were very strict. In heaven, there is no dissension. If it were otherwise, there would be many different gods with corresponding heavens, like Mormonism. The big problem for humans is accepting God's commandments.

    What makes it a sin to 'be' gay?
    As I stated, whatever God's commandments, that is the way it is. According to the real nature of disobedience, humans don't want to obey God.
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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    Obeying God's commandments.




    I agree because I think paradise happened before humans, it was during the dinosaur era. However, God gave humans a chance to be obedient through his chosen people. That didn't work out.

    According to the OT there is a lot of behavior that is deviant. It was God's way of making his chosen people holy. God's rules were very strict. In heaven, there is no dissension. If it were otherwise, there would be many different gods with corresponding heavens, like Mormonism. The big problem for humans is accepting God's commandments.



    As I stated, whatever God's commandments, that is the way it is. According to the real nature of disobedience, humans don't want to obey God.
    So, your answer...its a sin cause god said so!? That's it!?

    Rape is OK? Slavery's OK as well??!

    And kill homos, witches, and blasphemers....not to mention those that follow other gods??

    But no shrimp, huh?

    Makes perfect sense?! :crazy1:

    Why wouldn't an omnipotent, omniscient 'supreme' being that created the entire universe worry about what we do with our genitals?!

    What was I thinking?!
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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    So, your answer...its a sin cause god said so!? That's it!?

    Rape is OK? Slavery's OK as well??!

    And kill homos, witches, and blasphemers....not to mention those that follow other gods??
    I guess you've never read the new testament?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    But no shrimp, huh?
    Read Acts 10:9-16
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    I guess you've never read the new testament?



    Read Acts 10:9-16
    What does the new testament have to do with it? You don't disregard all of the old testament in any way??!!

    What's your point?

    Your acts reference doesn't make any sense. Another convoluted, confusing message from your gawd?

    Yep!
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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    What does the new testament have to do with it? You don't disregard all of the old testament in any way??!!

    What's your point?

    Your acts reference doesn't make any sense. Another convoluted, confusing message from your gawd?

    Yep!
    That's my point. You haven't read or understood these points in the Bible.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    That's my point. You haven't read or understood these points in the Bible.
    Nice that we can always count on good little christians like you to help clarify gaawds confusing holy book, huh?

    Too bad it's not a more simple message. Probably has something to do with that 'narrow path' that so few get across, don't you think?!

    How pathetic u are....really.

    rofl
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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    I am not saying homosexuality is a mental illness but want to ask what you think God does with the mentally ill.
    We're all born into sin apparently. If I had to guess, they'd burn like most others...

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Does God forgive those people who sin because they are born with a diseased mind?
    Ignorance is no excuse...??

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Doctors have proven humans can be born with a chemical imbalance in the brain and this chemical imbalance causes them to behave differently than the majority of their fellow man.
    Is this a sin?
    Most likely...

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    You say, we as humans are suppose to obey God's commandments.

    I say there are too many ways to twist and turn those words to be able to have a clear understanding of how to obey those commandments.
    I agree with you there! And as long as folks depend on hypocrite christians like joefool44 to help understand the confusing mess called the bible, it's pretty much a lost cause IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Can we kill in self defense?
    As long as you're killing for the right gawd. Which one's 'right'....? Who KNOWS? No one. They all 'beLIEve...they just don't KNOW.

    Keep the faith!

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Do children honor parents who abuse their children.
    As long as they're 'good with gawd', no problem-o...I'd imagine!

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Can people who have never heard of God, obey God?
    Nope, but they burn like everyone else...we're all born into sin apparently...if u don't get the message, that's your tough luck!

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    The words in the Bible are twisted and turned to meet a person's agenda.
    Yep....politicians get that message loud and clear..."Gawd bless America" is at the end of EVERY public message for most politicians...

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Everyone has their own way of interpreting what they think God has said to them in the Bible. No one knows who is right or wrong with their interpretation and the differences with interpretation has brought about a lot of sin.
    And don't bother asking asshats like jhokey to help you with any misunderstandings either...

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Why would a loving God, leave his people with so much confusion and doubt, by giving them a book (the Bible) that is so flawed? The only thing that makes sense to me is man messed up the word of God when man wrote the Bible.
    I concur...110%!!

    Who KNOWS gawds 'truth'...?



    Keep the faith...:rasta:
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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    I agree with you there! And as long as folks depend on hypocrite christians like joecool44 to help understand the confusing mess called the bible, it's pretty much a lost cause IMO.
    I asked you more than once to identify what I've been hypocritical about and you evaded and did some spinning but didn't provide an answer.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    I asked you more than once to identify what I've been hypocritical about and you evaded and did some spinning but didn't provide an answer.
    Lying, for starters...?! WTF!?

    Are you really that delusional?!:blunt:
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    Re: The world went crazy when humans disobeyed God.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Lying, for starters...?! WTF!?

    Are you really that delusional?!
    Nice non answer.

    See my sigline.




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    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
    Quote Originally Posted by Jax74 View Post
    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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