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    What if the Majority ACTUALLY ruled?

    Much has been made by democrats about the 2000 election...whining about florida despite numerous independent recounts, but they certainly have a point concerning the popular vote. If voters were to decide the issues in this country, MANY things would be different. The attacks on Christian religious displays, or conversation for that matter, would end abruptly. 77% of Americans identify themselves as Christians...think about it...SEVENTY SEVEN PERCENT...it includes all racial minorities. So who in the heck wants to outlaw God...Oh, I think you know. But how can they tell all of us what we can or can't do? It is because they dedicate their lives to it...while we go to work, raise families, live, die...this IS their job. The subjugation of the many by the few. The Tyranny of political correctness.

    Polls generally find that 70% or more of Americans think that parental consent should be required for a minor to get an
    abortion. Only 35% think that abortion should be generally available(as it is). But 65% do not want Roe overturned.Try bringing up any change in the law to reflect the will of the majority to your far-left friends...if you dare.

    People have to understand that members of other religions are not offended by displays of Christianity...this is solely the area of radical liberals and atheists...

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    Well if the majority ruled here, I know a few people who would no longer be posting.

    Are you sure you aren't HDmarketing? He posted a thread almost like this one word for word when he couldn't refute something I posted too.

    Gave up on the Wiccan thread huh?

    Oh well.

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    Re: What if the Majority ACTUALLY ruled?

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Well if the majority ruled here, I know a few people who would no longer be posting.

    Are you sure you aren't HDmarketing? He posted a thread almost like this one word for word when he couldn't refute something I posted too.

    Gave up on the Wiccan thread huh?

    Oh well.

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    You are saying that if the majority ruled that most would vote for censorship...that in the absence of any code violations people would still want others censored or removed? I think you are wrong by a very wide margin.

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    It would be good if the majority ruled but better if our Republic worked like it should. This of course would entail the Supreme Court to actually read the constitution. Not invent things that aren't there. When people call the constitution a "living/breathing" document, I get shivers up my spine. They are oblivious to the fact that the founders understood that sometimes the constitution would need to change as society did. It's called ammendments and it was a brilliant design. It was their way of making sure that we didn't evolve into an Aristocracy, where lifetime appointed elitests could decide to invent words into our founding documents. :cool:

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    Re: What if the Majority ACTUALLY ruled?

    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    You are saying that if the majority ruled that most would vote for censorship...that in the absence of any code violations people would still want others censored or removed? I think you are wrong by a very wide margin.
    Pwrone, both sides here have asked for that very thing more than once on these boards. If you all had your way, no one would cuss, no one would insult, no one would go off topic, geez, it would be like having tea with a bunch of old biddies.

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    Re: What if the Majority ACTUALLY ruled?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider
    It would be good if the majority ruled but better if our Republic worked like it should. This of course would entail the Supreme Court to actually read the constitution. Not invent things that aren't there. When people call the constitution a "living/breathing" document, I get shivers up my spine. They are oblivious to the fact that the founders understood that sometimes the constitution would need to change as society did. It's called ammendments and it was a brilliant design. It was their way of making sure that we didn't evolve into an Aristocracy, where lifetime appointed elitests could decide to invent words into our founding documents. :cool:
    so instead we have a Technocratic Plutocracy and oligarchism passed down from generation to generation with a "Good Old Boy" nepotism patronage system ruled by who can throw the most money around, tell the best lies and shake the biggest stick.

    i can hardly wait for round III of the Bush dynasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho70x
    so instead we have a Technocratic Plutocracy and oligarchism passed down from generation to generation with a "Good Old Boy" nepotism patronage system ruled by who can throw the most money around, tell the best lies and shake the biggest stick.

    i can hardly wait for round III of the Bush dynasty.
    Well, if there's 30% of the populous that claim to be independent, why hasn't a third party emerged? This would solve most of the problems that you speak of.

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    Re: What if the Majority ACTUALLY ruled?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider
    Well, if there's 30% of the populous that claim to be independent, why hasn't a third party emerged? This would solve most of the problems that you speak of.
    They keep trying, but it amounts to lack of money I believe.

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    During the American Revolution, Washington never enjoyed support by any more than 35% of the colonial population. Most of the average citizenry, regardless of their cultural zeitgeist, simply want to be left alone to make a living and raise their families in peace.

    The ballyhoo over the new Iraqi Constitution is simply a media dog and pony show manufactured by the Bush Crime Gang for the purpose of adding some sugar coating to their lies and propaganda. It will affect the lives of average Iraqis not one whit and will not change the realities on the ground one iota.
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    Re: What if the Majority ACTUALLY ruled?

    We have discussed many topics here on these forums - some of them are included here.

    If the majority ACTUALLY ruled.. what would happen:


    1) Would abortion remain legal?

    2) Would parental consent be required for an abortion under the age of 18?

    3) Would gays/lesbians be allowed to "marry"?

    4) Would our soldiers, teachers, firemen and police officers be paid more money?

    5) Would our borders be closed to non-citizens?

    6) Would marijuana be legal?

    7) Would Harriett Meirs get the job?

    8) Would capital punishment be outlawed?

    9) Would pedopliles be castrated?

    10) Would the U.S. have a National Health care program?

    11) Would Social Security be privatized?

    12) Would the elderly be allowed to purchase their prescriptions from Canada?

    13) Would the wealthiest 1% get tax breaks?

    14) Would the draft be reinstated?

    15) Would gun ownership be outlawed (except hunting rifles)?

    16) Would the environment become a main priority?

    17) Would there be homeless Americans?

    18) Would teenagers be sentenced to life in prison?

    19) Would neglectful parents be prosecuted for the crimes of thier minor children?

    20) Would the Pledge of Allegiance be allowed to remain as is in school?

    21) Would the 1st Amendment be changed?

    22) Would a woman ever become President?

    23) Would the President be allowed to give his/"her" friends important government jobs?

    24) WOULD THE WAR IN IRAQ END??

    25) WOULD BUSH BE IMPEACHED????

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    Re: What if the Majority ACTUALLY ruled?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider
    Well, if there's 30% of the populous that claim to be independent, why hasn't a third party emerged? This would solve most of the problems that you speak of.

    as well as a lack of money, there are election laws that make it nearly impossible to get candidates on ballots and broadcast media policies that prevent their candidates from getting into televised debates and other types of exposure the 2 majors get without paying for.

    Kinky Friedman cannot get on the ballot for the 2006 Texas gubernatorial primary and has something like 10 days to deliver the 50 or 75,000 signatures required to get him on for the November general election.

    and always behind the curtain are lurking the power elite of the National Socialist transnational industrialist globalists and banker gangsters pulling the strings of the both parties as well as the Skull & Bones bonesmen who treat us to shams like the Bush - Kerry contest.


    how far was John Anderson able to go on his resources? not very.

    without comment on candidates like Ralph Nader, Gatewood Galbraith and Lyndon LaRouche, the Greens and Libertarians simply can't raise the funds to compete for exposure to the electorate.

    Jack Herer, founder of the H.E.M.P. Party (Help End Marijuana Prohibition) didn't have a tinker's chance in hell of going anywhere on book royalties and chump change from his following and didn't, though he is a good man with decent qualifications and good ideas about more than just the Hemp issue.

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    Re: What if the Majority ACTUALLY ruled?

    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Victim
    We have discussed many topics here on these forums - some of them are included here.

    If the majority ACTUALLY ruled.. what would happen:



    HERE ARE THE ANSWERS:

    1) Would abortion remain legal? YES

    2) Would parental consent be required for an abortion under the age of 18? YES

    3) Would gays/lesbians be allowed to "marry"? NO

    4) Would our soldiers, teachers, firemen and police officers be paid more money? YES

    5) Would our borders be closed to non-citizens? YES

    6) Would marijuana be legal? NO

    7) Would Harriett Meirs get the job? NO

    8) Would capital punishment be outlawed? NO

    9) Would pedopliles be castrated? YES

    10) Would the U.S. have a National Health care program? NO

    11) Would Social Security be privatized? NO

    12) Would the elderly be allowed to purchase their prescriptions from Canada?
    YES

    13) Would the wealthiest 1% get tax breaks? YES

    14) Would the draft be reinstated? NO

    15) Would gun ownership be outlawed (except hunting rifles)? NO

    16) Would the environment become a main priority? NO

    17) Would there be homeless Americans? YES

    18) Would teenagers be sentenced to life in prison? YES

    19) Would neglectful parents be prosecuted for the crimes of thier minor children? NO

    20) Would the Pledge of Allegiance be allowed to remain as is in school? YES

    21) Would the 1st Amendment be changed? NO

    22) Would a woman ever become President? YES

    23) Would the President be allowed to give his/"her" friends important government jobs? YES

    24) WOULD THE WAR IN IRAQ END?? YES, as it will anyway


    25) WOULD BUSH BE IMPEACHED???? NO

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    Re: What if the Majority ACTUALLY ruled?

    Yo, pwrone, it is customary to include some sort of disclaimer, like this only the opinion of the author when you broadcast conclusions like that without any supporting documentary facts.

    some of your conclusions demand a little expansion beyond YES OR: NO :

    #5. Are you nuts? This is a nation of immigrants with some very long borders and lots of people who still have families in the "old country". What makes you think that there could ever be a majority to vote for shutting down the borders and stopping all immigration.

    #9. I'm having a hard time deciding whether to lmaoy or pray for your twisted soul on that one.

    #16. Unless the industrialists put environmental protection on the agenda soon, we're all dead meat before the end of the century.


    feel free to expand on any of your other absurd certitudes for our amusement.

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    Hi Pwrone

    Much has been made by democrats about the 2000 election...whining about florida despite numerous independent recounts, but they certainly have a point concerning the popular vote. If voters were to decide the issues in this country, MANY things would be different. The attacks on Christian religious displays, or conversation for that matter, would end abruptly.
    77% of Americans identify themselves as Christians...think about it...SEVENTY SEVEN PERCENT...it includes all racial minorities. So who in the heck wants to outlaw God...Oh, I think you know.
    You KNOW that no one has ever said, God should be outlawed. You cannot make that statement with any amount of certainty. It is simply not true. Religion is a personal and private matter. It has no place in the PUBLIC sphere. That is all. no more, no less. The government shall make no law respecting an establishment of a state religion.


    But how can they tell all of us what we can or can't do? It is because they dedicate their lives to it...while we go to work, raise families, live, die...this IS their job. The subjugation of the many by the few. The Tyranny of political correctness.
    No one is telling anyone what to do. You do not *have* to do anything. YOU and I have the right to ignore, disregard, discount, and overlook, other peoples opinions, and agendas. Pwrone, you KNOW this, as well. You and I do not have to subscribe to political correctness. In talking to our family and friends we can communicate, interact and share information, in the ways that suit us. In the public arena, there are guidelines, and rules, in order to keep the debate clear, on topic and to move toward finding common ground.


    Polls generally find that 70% or more of Americans think that parental consent should be required for a minor to get an abortion. Only 35% think that abortion should be generally available (as it is). But 65% do not want Roe overturned.Try bringing up any change in the law to reflect the will of the majority to your far-left friends...if you dare.
    The 77% of Americans that think parental consent should be required for a minor to get an abortion, should make it their MAIN concern to have foster, and maintain a healthy, open, and loving relationship with their children. Parents knowing what their kids are doing, IS their business and their primary job, and is do-able. If a percentage of people want a change in the Roe v Wade statute, their power resides in the local, state, and federal legislatures. Will that debate be easy, HECK NO, so what? Freedom is hard work, so let's get on with it.


    People have to understand that members of other religions are not offended by displays of Christianity...this is solely the area of radical liberals and atheists...
    If radical liberals and atheists are offended by NON PUBLIC displays of Christianity, that sound s like a personal problem to me, and their are entitled to FEEL like that. But as I have written above, no law respecting the establishment of a STATE religion, is what our Bill of Rights addresses.


    DeeDee1965

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    I believe the youth in this country would play a HUGE role in all of this if the majority actually ruled. They would be involved in a BIG way if they knew they could make a REAL difference..

    Answers to my own questions:

    1) Would abortion remain legal?
    YES. Too many realize what the alternative would lead to... back alleys.

    2) Would parental consent be required for an abortion under the age of 18?
    NO. The young voters and "old activists" would not allow this to happen. If the age was 16, then I would say YES.

    3) Would gays/lesbians be allowed to "marry"?
    YES. I think the majority of people in this country either have a family member or know someone who is gay/lesbian and realize that what is going on now is discrimination.

    4) Would our soldiers, teachers, firemen and police officers be paid more money?
    ABSOLUTELY YES. These are the four of the most important groups of people in this country - what would we do without them?

    5) Would our borders be closed to non-citizens?
    NOT CLOSED, but definitely better patroled. NIS would also get a serious overhaul to deport those who are living here illegally.

    6) Would marijuana be legal?
    YES. The youth and "hippies" would make sure of it. They would also demand the immediate release of those who are presently incarcerated on marijuana possesion charges.

    7) Would Harriett Meirs get the job?
    NO. Everybody seems to realize how unqualified this woman is except Bush.

    8) Would capital punishment be outlawed?
    NO. I think it would be legal in every state; and there would be no more sitting on death row for 10-20 years.

    9) Would pedopliles be castrated?
    NO. Most would LIKE to, but we have not yet arrived at that point of salvage behavior - we're working on it though.. :rolleyes:

    10) Would the U.S. have a National Health care program?
    YES... but it would be optional - you could keep your private provider if you choose to. I think most Americans see this as a much needed program.

    11) Would Social Security be privatized?
    YES... but again, as an option - Americans like options... There is a huge belief that the money won't be there after we have "stood in line" for all these years to collect it.

    12) Would the elderly be allowed to purchase their prescriptions from Canada?
    YES. I believe most Americans saw the outlawing of this as a power play by the administration, that only benefits their pharmaceutical buddies.

    13) Would the wealthiest 1% get tax breaks?
    NO. The wealthy would simply be out-numbered by the lower/middle class.

    14) Would the draft be reinstated?
    NO. Knowing the outcome of Vietnam and what is going on in Iraq would prevent this from happening.

    15) Would gun ownership be outlawed (except hunting rifles)?
    NO. Americans know that people who WANT guns will get them, and they feel the need to protect themselves. If the black market for guns could be disposed of, then I would say YES.

    16) Would the environment become a main priority?
    YES. The hurricanes have shown Americans where ignoring the environment gets us.

    17) Would there be homeless Americans?
    NO - unless it is by choice.

    18) Would teenagers be sentenced to life in prison?
    NO. I think most Americans can look back at their own lives and realize how much they have changed since their teens. And the young people know how stupid some of their friends can be. I think both groups would give these kids a second chance.

    19) Would neglectful parents be prosecuted for the crimes of their minor children?
    NO. On the whole, parenting in this country SUCKS. These people are not going to put their own necks on the chopping block.

    20) Would the Pledge of Allegiance be allowed to remain as is in school?
    YES. It is a part of this country that most would defend as strongly as we defend the flag.

    21) Would the 1st Amendment be changed?
    NO. Even though there are many things that we don't like, I think we are smart enough to know that once we start making amendments to freedom of speech, we would be opening a can of worms that would certainly be abused.

    22) Would a woman ever become President?
    YES. This day will come.

    23) Would the President be allowed to give his/"her" friends important government jobs?
    NO. Most Americans detest "cliques".

    24) WOULD THE WAR IN IRAQ END??
    YES. I think most believe they were lied to when this war started and see it only getting much worse for years to come. And they feel our troops could be better utilized here on our own soil to protect US. Most have felt for many years that our own people are neglected at the expense of concerns for other countries. I believe this would stop.

    25) WOULD BUSH BE IMPEACHED????
    YES. His approval ratings tell the story... he has been exposed for who he really is and I think most Americans want him gone.

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