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  1. #17
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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    I'm in a rural area and can only receive the local FOX station.

    I refuse to buy in to cable or satellite.

    FOX's COPS, AMW and 'Reality TV' programming along with their 'Action-Adventure' programs like '24' are freaky enough for me, thank you.

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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    Quote Originally Posted by gar fla
    Theres something about those Teletubbies that weirds me out. They're too freaky.

    It's almost like they're brain washing kids with unconscious drug messages.
    :D you funny :D

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    Well... at least they're not watching Barney... he's the anti-christ you know :D

    There is a lot of excellent programming or as my wife calls it 'boring tv'. I'm big on History Chanell's Modern Marvels and Wild West Tech series, PBS (BBC World News & Antiques Roadshow) and the occasional Sci-Fi programming... that's about it for me other than local news and national when I can catch it.

    cheers,
    Paul

  4. #20
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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    i smell another conspiracy by teh government in the works here....tapping into our brain waves through TV's.

    hide your daughters!!!!!

  5. #21
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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    Still crazy after all these years: http://www.janda.org/b20/News%20arti...stwastland.htm

    Path: American Govt Home > News Menu > Vast Wasteland Speech
    `VAST WASTELAND' SPEECH HOLDS TRUE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS
    Chicago Tribune, April 24, 2001, page 17
    This is an edited version of Newton Minow's speech to the National Association of Broadcasters on May 9, 1961:

    Thank you for this opportunity to meet with you today. This is my first public address since I took over my new job. It may also come as a surprise to some of you, but I want you to know that you have my admiration and respect.

    I admire your courage--but that doesn't mean I would make life any easier for you. Your license lets you use the public's airwaves as trustees for 180 million Americans. The public is your beneficiary. If you want to stay on as trustees, you must deliver a decent return to the public--not only to your stockholders. So, as a representative of the public, your health and your product are among my chief concerns.

    I have confidence in your health. But not in your product. I am here to uphold and protect the public interest. What do we mean by "the public interest?" Some say the public interest is merely what interests the public. I disagree.

    When television is good, nothing--not the theater, not the magazines or newspapers--nothing is better.

    But when television is bad, nothing is worse. I invite you to sit down in front of your television set when your station goes on the air and stay there without a book, magazine, newspaper, profit and-loss sheet or rating book to distract you--and keep your eyes glued to that set until the station signs off. I can assure you that you will observe a vast wasteland.

    You will see a procession of game shows, violence, audience-participation shows, formula comedies about totally unbelievable families, blood and thunder, mayhem, violence, sadism, murder, western badmen, western good men, private eyes, gangsters, more violence and cartoons. And, endlessly, commercials--many screaming, cajoling and offending. And most of all, boredom. True, you will see a few things you will enjoy. But they will be very, very few. And if you think I exaggerate, try it.

    Sentenced to prime time
    Is there one person in this room who claims that broadcasting can't do better? Well, a glance at next season's proposed programming can give us little heart. Of 73 1/2 hours of prime evening time, the networks have tentatively scheduled 59 hours to categories of "action-adventure," situation comedy, variety, quiz shows and movies.

    Is there one network president in this room who claims he can't do better? Well, is there at least one network president who believes that the other networks can't do better? Gentlemen, your trust accounting with your beneficiaries is overdue. Never have so few owed so much to so many.

    Why is so much of television so bad? I have heard many answers: demands of your advertisers; competition for ever-higher ratings; the need always to attract a mass audience; the high cost of television programs; the insatiable appetite for programming material--these are some of them. Unquestionably these are tough problems not susceptible to easy answers.

    But I am not convinced that you have tried hard enough to solve them . . . and I am not convinced that the people's taste is as low as some of you assume.

    What about the children?
    Certainly I hope you will agree that ratings should have little influence where children are concerned. It used to be said that there were three great influences on a child: home, school and church. Today there is a fourth great influence, and you ladies and gentlemen control it.

    If parents, teachers and ministers conducted their responsibilities by following the ratings, children would have a steady diet of ice cream, school holidays and no Sunday school. What about your responsibilities? There are some fine children's shows, but they are drowned out in the massive doses of cartoons, violence and more violence. Must these be your trademarks?

    Let me make clear that what I am talking about is balance. You will get no argument from me if you say that, given a choice between a western and a symphony, more people will watch the western. I like westerns and private eyes too--but a steady diet for the whole country is obviously not in the public interest. We all know that people would more often prefer to be entertained than stimulated or informed. But your obligations are not satisfied if you look only to popularity as a test of what to broadcast. You are not only in show business; you are free to communicate ideas as well as relaxation. You must provide a wider range of choices, more diversity, more alternatives. It is not enough to cater to the nation's whims--you must also serve the nation's needs.

    And I would add this--that if some of you persist in a relentless search for the highest rating and the lowest common denominator, you may very well lose your audience.

    The 6 principles
    I want to make clear some of the fundamental principles which guide me.

    First: The people own the air. They own it as much in prime evening time as they do at 6 o'clock Sunday morning. For every hour that the people give you, you owe them something. I intend to see that your debt is paid with service.

    Second: I think it would be foolish and wasteful for us to continue any worn-out wrangle over the problems of payola, rigged quiz shows and other mistakes of the past. There are laws on the books, which we will enforce. But there is no chip on my shoulder.

    Third: I believe in the free enterprise system. I want to see broadcasting improved and I want you to do the job. I am proud to champion your cause. It is not rare for American businessmen to serve a public trust. Yours is a special trust because it is imposed by law.

    Fourth: I will do all I can to help educational television. There are still not enough educational stations, and major centers of the country still lack usable educational channels.

    Fifth: I am unalterably opposed to governmental censorship. There will be no suppression of programming which does not meet with bureaucratic tastes.

    Sixth: I did not come to Washington to idly observe the squandering of the public's airwaves. I believe in the gravity of my own particular sector of the New Frontier. There will be times perhaps when you will consider that I take myself or my job too seriously. Frankly, I don't care if you do.

    Now, how will these principles be applied? Clearly, at the heart of the FCC's authority lies its power to license, to renew or fail to renew, or to revoke a license. As you know, When your license comes up for renewal, your performance is compared with your promises. I understand that many people feel that in the past licenses were often renewed pro forma. I say to you now: Renewal will not be pro forma in the future. There is nothing permanent or sacred about a broadcast license.

    But simply matching promises and performance is not enough. I intend to do more. I intend to find out whether the people care. I intend to find out whether the community which each broadcaster serves believes he has been serving the public interest. You must re-examine some fundamentals of your industry. You must open your minds and open your hearts to the limitless horizons of tomorrow.

    Words of wisdom
    I can suggest some words that should serve to guide you:

    Television and all who participate in it are jointly accountable to the American public for respect for the special needs of children, for community responsibility, for the advancement of education and culture, for the acceptability of the program materials chosen, for decency and decorum in production, and for propriety in advertising. This responsibility cannot be discharged by any given group of programs, but can be discharged only through the highest standards of respect for the American home, applied to every moment of every program presented by television. Program materials should enlarge the horizons of the viewer, provide him with wholesome entertainment, afford helpful stimulation, and remind him of the responsibilities which the citizen has toward his society.

    These words are not mine. They are yours. They are taken literally from your own Television Code. They reflect the leadership and aspirations of your own great industry. I urge you to respect them as I do.

    We need imagination in programming, not sterility; creativity, not imitation; experimentation, not conformity; excellence, not mediocrity. Television is filled with creative, imaginative people. You must strive to set them free.

    The power of instantaneous sight and sound is without precedent in mankind's history. This is an awesome power. It has limitless capabilities for good--and for evil. And it carries with it awesome responsibilities--responsibilities which you and I cannot escape.

    I urge you to put the people's airwaves to the service of the people and the cause of freedom.

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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    44 years and it still hasn't taken hold completely... 'and so it goes'


    cheers,
    Paul

  7. #23
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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    WTF IS THIS SH!T!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    BEND OVER, HERE COMES VONAGE ON A GOVERNMENT GRANT WAGON.....................

    Source URL: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...x.htm?csp=N007




    Feds may subsidize digital TV converters
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) — U.S. Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Ted Stevens said Wednesday he plans to propose a $3 billion subsidy program to ensure older television sets still work when the transition to better quality, digital broadcasts is completed.
    Stevens, an Alaska Republican, said the estimated cost of a box to convert the new digital signals back to analog so existing television sets continue to work is $50 each and he proposed the government subsidize $40 of that amount.

    "We plan to provide a set-top box ... to everyone who has a TV that needs a box," Stevens said at a luncheon sponsored by the Free Enterprise Fund. "It may be we have to set a limit."

    Stevens has proposed legislation requiring television broadcasters to end analog broadcasts and only air digital by April 7, 2009. His committee plans to vote on setting the deadline and the subsidy amount Thursday afternoon.

    However, Republican Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire may propose an amendment paring the subsidy fund to $1 billion, according to a list of expected amendments obtained by Reuters.

    Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, also had planned an amendment to cap the program to $500 million but now may not do so, according to a source close to the issue.

    The money for the subsidy would come from selling some of the old analog airwaves at auction for commercial wireless services. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated a sale could raise $10 billion if the airwaves were made available in 2009.

    There are approximately 21 million homes in the United States that rely solely on broadcast television, while most households subscribe to cable or satellite services.

    The National Association of Broadcasters, which represents most television stations, has estimated that there are about 73 million television sets in homes in the United States that are not hooked up to cable or satellite service and rely solely on broadcast.

    Stevens' subsidy program would cover some 75 million television sets. However, he said by 2009, many households will likely have replaced their older sets with new ones that can receive the new digital broadcasts.

    "That will reduce the number of set-top boxes that will be needed," Stevens said. "The further out that date is, the fewer the set-top boxes that will be required."

    McCain also plans to propose an amendment to push up the digital transition date to April 7, 2007, according to the amendment list.

    A second bill aimed at addressing other issues related to the digital television transition that had been planned for Thursday has been put off, Stevens said.

    The House has been considering its own digital television draft legislation, setting a Dec. 31, 2008 deadline for completing the transition and it did not include a subsidy program.

    Differences between any House and Senate-passed versions would have to be resolved by a conference of lawmakers from both the House and Senate.


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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho70x
    Source URL: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...x.htm?csp=N007

    Feds may subsidize digital TV converters...
    You were way too nice in your initial comment... this is appalling!!! Jeez... the House & Senate can't get anything positive done, but By God they'll see to it that we have our T.V.?!?!?!?!?

    It's a shame our Senators or Congressmen aren't up for re-election this year... I'd love to hear them explain this in a campaign environment.

    Useless... useless...

    cheers,
    Paul

  9. #25
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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho70x
    WTF IS THIS SH!T!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    BEND OVER, HERE COMES VONAGE ON A GOVERNMENT GRANT WAGON.....................

    Source URL: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...x.htm?csp=N007




    Feds may subsidize digital TV converters
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) — U.S. Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Ted Stevens said Wednesday he plans to propose a $3 billion subsidy program to ensure older television sets still work when the transition to better quality, digital broadcasts is completed.
    Geez! I can understand why you'd get upset about this!

    $3 billion for TV top-sets! (how many brazillion is that?)

    Crickey, you could invade a medium-sized, oil rich, dictatorship with that kind of money! (or feed it!)

    That post is the best reason I've seen, so far, for killing your TV! (If everyone did it, you'd save $3 billion straight away)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny Loosejocks
    Geez! I can understand why you'd get upset about this!

    $3 billion for TV top-sets! (how many brazillion is that?)

    Crickey, you could invade a medium-sized, oil rich, dictatorship with that kind of money! (or feed it!)

    That post is the best reason I've seen, so far, for killing your TV! (If everyone did it, you'd save $3 billion straight away)

    I think they are afraid that without the constant brain washing of the masses via television, the masses would actually wake up and look at what's happening to the country.

    I dont' watch television, my husband does, you can sure tell the difference in who is controlled and who isn't. LOL.

    Namaste'

    Lady Mod

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    I dont' watch television, my husband does, you can sure tell the difference in who is controlled and who isn't. LOL.
    Is that control by "remote"? I couldn't resist :D

    cheers,
    Paul

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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    I think they are afraid that without the constant brain washing of the masses via television, the masses would actually wake up and look at what's happening to the country.
    A bit like 'The Matrix', Yeah?
    Oohh, that's spooky! :eek:



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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    Is that control by "remote"? I couldn't resist :D

    cheers,
    Paul
    LOL, absolutely, but not always!

    :D

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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny Loosejocks
    A bit like 'The Matrix', Yeah?
    Oohh, that's spooky! :eek:


    Well I don't know about the matrix theory but I do know that studies have been done long long ago (well before the Matrix theory was mentioned) on people who watch a lot of television and it was proven that they do enter a hypnotic type state of mind and are vulnerable to suggestions at that time.

    I can't remember when the studies took place, I was a teenager when I heard about the results. At which time, I decided to not watch television or do so rarely. Books were a much better pass time.

    Lady Mod

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    Re: Why you should kill your television

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    I can't remember when the studies took place, I was a teenager when I heard about the results.
    Wow! That long ago!! :p

    I don't watch much telly either. I only watch the occasional doco or science show! I am much more entertained and informed by stuff on the net! Esp. by clicking on links on this site!



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