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    Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Phoney jobs are being used as expat bait for very real scams by the China ESL scam artists and if you want to keep your identity and money from being stolen, read the below links - each a chapter in a horror story nobody wants you to know until after they squeeze you for every dollar possible.

    Chapter 1
    - Greedy Americans and Canadians and Brits are in cahoots with the unlicensed Chinese job recruiters. Read here: http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=644914 andhttp://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com Solution: Ignore the hundreds of fake bait ads found at these websites:

    ESL Cafe

    The Beijinger

    Echinacities

    ESLTeacherCafe

    Sinocities


    Chapter 2 - Identity thieves will make thousands of dollars from your resume and passport scans whether you get a job or not! See http://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com

    Chapter 3 - You have a 50% chance of being arrested in China and deported if you do not arrive with a Z visa already in your passport. See: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2014/10/20/china_arrests_fake_foreign_teachers_esl_job_recrui ters Solution: Accept no job that does not provide you a Z Visa before you depart your homeland for China.

    Chapter 4 - Avoiding the vulture China Job Recruiters. To be fair there are a few honest ones but they were last spotted in 2008 somewhere near the Beijing Olympic village. Solution: You honestly don't need them if you get a copy of the CFTU white lists and contact the direct employers yourself. (See attached below). If you do decide to use a recruiter, at least use this checklist: https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/

    Chapter 5 - Anal Sex Prevention. The key to not getting screwed from behind is having a real and fair contract that protects you and not just the employer: In this regard you should read: http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion...s-for-all.html Solution: Do not sign the first contract put in front of you, and sign nothing that is not in English.

    Chpater 6 - Genuine China Foreign Teacher Pay and Wages will be hidden from you. Read http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com Solution: Refuse to work for less than 10,000 yuan per month or 200 yuan per hour and see these real pay charts at http://www.ChinForeignTeachersUnion.org
    I am going to be late for work so you can finish reading the rest of this book on your own at http://chinascamwatch.org and http://eslwatch.info/forum/china.html. I hope I didn't rain on your China parade but it better that you know now than after you spend $2,000 to fly 5,000 just so you can learn the meaning of "Bait and Switch".

    China can be a fun place to teach and explore so long as you keep your scam radar turned on for your first 90 days, and mix in with a group of China veterans who will teach you the ropes and keep you out of harm's way. I would also suggest that you learn your expat employee rights in China and get yourself a copy of the China School White List ASAP. Also do not go to China if you have asthma. The winter air pollution is truly toxic at least 3 days a week. Gotta run.
    Last edited by Curious Carol; 03-05-2015 at 09:54 AM.

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Best advice here is;

    Do not deal with any business/company/entities in China. They are most likely a scam.

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    Best advice here is;

    Do not deal with any business/company/entities in China. They are most likely a scam.
    Yeah, but at least if you can get some real ID from them and they have a SAIC business license on file they can at least be held accountable. But truthfully, it is getting to become such a hassle to find honest people to work with in China, that you end up asking "Why Bother?" - Especially when Korea, Singapore, and Japan pay so much better anyway - without all the BS frauds.
    Last edited by Cyber Snoop; 03-07-2015 at 08:50 AM.

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    No matter who offers you a job in China, they are probably not who they say they are. I suggest if you are interested you avoid anyone who gives you a Chinglish name like "Bob Chen" or "Lucy Zhang". If they cannot give you their real Chinese names and a scan of their SAIC license they are part of the "black scam job market". This means they will cheat you and you will have now way to get your money back and the cops will just laugh at you for being so ing stupid. I also suggest you use the White List and Blacklist of Schools put out by the teachers in China. http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion...a-foreign.html another good web site http://chinascamwatch.org
    Deduction my ass... I need proof!

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post
    Phoney jobs are being used as expat bait for very real scams by the China ESL scam artists and if you want to keep your identity and money from being stolen, read the below links - each a chapter in a horror story nobody wants you to know until after they squeeze you for every dollar possible.

    Chapter 1
    - Greedy Americans and Canadians and Brits are in cahoots with the unlicensed Chinese job recruiters. Read here: http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=644914 andhttp://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com Solution: Ignore the hundreds of fake bait ads found at these websites:

    ESL Cafe

    The Beijinger

    Echinacities

    ESLTeacherCafe

    Sinocities


    Chapter 2 - Identity thieves will make thousands of dollars from your resume and passport scans whether you get a job or not! See http://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com

    Chapter 3 - You have a 50% chance of being arrested in China and deported if you do not arrive with a Z visa already in your passport. See: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2014/10/20/china_arrests_fake_foreign_teachers_esl_job_recrui ters Solution: Accept no job that does not provide you a Z Visa before you depart your homeland for China.

    Chapter 4 - Avoiding the vulture China Job Recruiters. To be fair there are a few honest ones but they were last spotted in 2008 somewhere near the Beijing Olympic village. Solution: You honestly don't need them if you get a copy of the CFTU white lists and contact the direct employers yourself. (See attached below). If you do decide to use a recruiter, at least use this checklist: https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/

    Chapter 5 - Anal Sex Prevention. The key to not getting screwed from behind is having a real and fair contract that protects you and not just the employer: In this regard you should read: http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion...s-for-all.html Solution: Do not sign the first contract put in front of you, and sign nothing that is not in English.

    Chpater 6 - Genuine China Foreign Teacher Pay and Wages will be hidden from you. Read http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com Solution: Refuse to work for less than 10,000 yuan per month or 200 yuan per hour and see these real pay charts at http://www.ChinForeignTeachersUnion.org
    I am going to be late for work so you can finish reading the rest of this book on your own at http://chinascamwatch.org and http://eslwatch.info/forum/china.html. I hope I didn't rain on your China parade but it better that you know now than after you spend $2,000 to fly 5,000 just so you can learn the meaning of "Bait and Switch".

    China can be a fun place to teach and explore so long as you keep your scam radar turned on for your first 90 days, and mix in with a group of China veterans who will teach you the ropes and keep you out of harm's way. I would also suggest that you learn your expat employee rights in China and get yourself a copy of the China School White List ASAP. Also do not go to China if you have asthma. The winter air pollution is truly toxic at least 3 days a week. Gotta run.

    Avoid any ESL and TEFL jobs at ESLCafe, The Beijinger and Echinacities - most all of those ads are either fake or garbage jobs and some are even posted by identity thieves. See http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post
    Phoney jobs are being used as expat bait for very real scams by the China ESL scam artists and if you want to keep your identity and money from being stolen, read the below links - each a chapter in a horror story nobody wants you to know until after they squeeze you for every dollar possible.

    Chapter 1
    - Greedy Americans and Canadians and Brits are in cahoots with the unlicensed Chinese job recruiters. Read here: http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=644914 andhttp://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com Solution: Ignore the hundreds of fake bait ads found at these websites:

    ESL Cafe

    The Beijinger

    Echinacities

    ESLTeacherCafe

    Sinocities


    Chapter 2 - Identity thieves will make thousands of dollars from your resume and passport scans whether you get a job or not! See http://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com

    Chapter 3 - You have a 50% chance of being arrested in China and deported if you do not arrive with a Z visa already in your passport. See: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2014/10/20/china_arrests_fake_foreign_teachers_esl_job_recrui ters Solution: Accept no job that does not provide you a Z Visa before you depart your homeland for China.

    Chapter 4 - Avoiding the vulture China Job Recruiters. To be fair there are a few honest ones but they were last spotted in 2008 somewhere near the Beijing Olympic village. Solution: You honestly don't need them if you get a copy of the CFTU white lists and contact the direct employers yourself. (See attached below). If you do decide to use a recruiter, at least use this checklist: https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/

    Chapter 5 - Anal Sex Prevention. The key to not getting screwed from behind is having a real and fair contract that protects you and not just the employer: In this regard you should read: http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion...s-for-all.html Solution: Do not sign the first contract put in front of you, and sign nothing that is not in English.

    Chpater 6 - Genuine China Foreign Teacher Pay and Wages will be hidden from you. Read http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com Solution: Refuse to work for less than 10,000 yuan per month or 200 yuan per hour and see these real pay charts at http://www.ChinForeignTeachersUnion.org
    I am going to be late for work so you can finish reading the rest of this book on your own at http://chinascamwatch.org and http://eslwatch.info/forum/china.html. I hope I didn't rain on your China parade but it better that you know now than after you spend $2,000 to fly 5,000 just so you can learn the meaning of "Bait and Switch".

    China can be a fun place to teach and explore so long as you keep your scam radar turned on for your first 90 days, and mix in with a group of China veterans who will teach you the ropes and keep you out of harm's way. I would also suggest that you learn your expat employee rights in China and get yourself a copy of the China School White List ASAP. Also do not go to China if you have asthma. The winter air pollution is truly toxic at least 3 days a week. Gotta run.

    Just a note to congratulate Carol on the birth of her baby daughter Leona and we hope you will be back posting with us again soon. All of your good advice is welcomed here.

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Thank you for the heads up. People need to know about this fraud.

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post
    Phoney jobs are being used as expat bait for very real scams by the China ESL scam artists and if you want to keep your identity and money from being stolen, read the below links - each a chapter in a horror story nobody wants you to know until after they squeeze you for every dollar possible.

    Chapter 1
    - Greedy Americans and Canadians and Brits are in cahoots with the unlicensed Chinese job recruiters. Read here: http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=644914 andhttp://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com Solution: Ignore the hundreds of fake bait ads found at these websites:

    ESL Cafe

    The Beijinger

    Echinacities

    ESLTeacherCafe

    Sinocities


    Chapter 2 - Identity thieves will make thousands of dollars from your resume and passport scans whether you get a job or not! See http://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com

    Chapter 3 - You have a 50% chance of being arrested in China and deported if you do not arrive with a Z visa already in your passport. See: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2014/10/20/china_arrests_fake_foreign_teachers_esl_job_recrui ters Solution: Accept no job that does not provide you a Z Visa before you depart your homeland for China.

    Chapter 4 - Avoiding the vulture China Job Recruiters. To be fair there are a few honest ones but they were last spotted in 2008 somewhere near the Beijing Olympic village. Solution: You honestly don't need them if you get a copy of the CFTU white lists and contact the direct employers yourself. (See attached below). If you do decide to use a recruiter, at least use this checklist: https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/

    Chapter 5 - Anal Sex Prevention. The key to not getting screwed from behind is having a real and fair contract that protects you and not just the employer: In this regard you should read: http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion...s-for-all.html Solution: Do not sign the first contract put in front of you, and sign nothing that is not in English.

    Chpater 6 - Genuine China Foreign Teacher Pay and Wages will be hidden from you. Read http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com Solution: Refuse to work for less than 10,000 yuan per month or 200 yuan per hour and see these real pay charts at http://www.ChinForeignTeachersUnion.org
    I am going to be late for work so you can finish reading the rest of this book on your own at http://chinascamwatch.org and http://eslwatch.info/forum/china.html. I hope I didn't rain on your China parade but it better that you know now than after you spend $2,000 to fly 5,000 just so you can learn the meaning of "Bait and Switch".

    China can be a fun place to teach and explore so long as you keep your scam radar turned on for your first 90 days, and mix in with a group of China veterans who will teach you the ropes and keep you out of harm's way. I would also suggest that you learn your expat employee rights in China and get yourself a copy of the China School White List ASAP. Also do not go to China if you have asthma. The winter air pollution is truly toxic at least 3 days a week. Gotta run.
    90% of everything in China (except the scams and tea) are fake. Be sure to search the China Black lists and White List before sending a resume to anyone. This explains why http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Man Frank View Post
    90% of everything in China (except the scams and tea) are fake. Be sure to search the China Black lists and White List before sending a resume to anyone. This explains why http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com

    DId you know the owner is a Canadian-born Chinese guy who is an official of the Chinese Communist Party named George Xu? http://realscam.com/f8/echinacities-...s-beware-3481/

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post
    Phoney jobs are being used as expat bait for very real scams by the China ESL scam artists and if you want to keep your identity and money from being stolen, read the below links - each a chapter in a horror story nobody wants you to know until after they squeeze you for every dollar possible.

    Chapter 1
    - Greedy Americans and Canadians and Brits are in cahoots with the unlicensed Chinese job recruiters. Read here: http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=644914 andhttp://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com Solution: Ignore the hundreds of fake bait ads found at these websites:

    ESL Cafe

    The Beijinger

    Echinacities

    ESLTeacherCafe

    Sinocities


    Chapter 2 - Identity thieves will make thousands of dollars from your resume and passport scans whether you get a job or not! See http://Chinablacklist.wordpress.com

    Chapter 3 - You have a 50% chance of being arrested in China and deported if you do not arrive with a Z visa already in your passport. See: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_business_central/2014/10/20/china_arrests_fake_foreign_teachers_esl_job_recrui ters Solution: Accept no job that does not provide you a Z Visa before you depart your homeland for China.

    Chapter 4 - Avoiding the vulture China Job Recruiters. To be fair there are a few honest ones but they were last spotted in 2008 somewhere near the Beijing Olympic village. Solution: You honestly don't need them if you get a copy of the CFTU white lists and contact the direct employers yourself. (See attached below). If you do decide to use a recruiter, at least use this checklist: https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/

    Chapter 5 - Anal Sex Prevention. The key to not getting screwed from behind is having a real and fair contract that protects you and not just the employer: In this regard you should read: http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion...s-for-all.html Solution: Do not sign the first contract put in front of you, and sign nothing that is not in English.

    Chpater 6 - Genuine China Foreign Teacher Pay and Wages will be hidden from you. Read http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com Solution: Refuse to work for less than 10,000 yuan per month or 200 yuan per hour and see these real pay charts at http://www.ChinForeignTeachersUnion.org
    I am going to be late for work so you can finish reading the rest of this book on your own at http://chinascamwatch.org and http://eslwatch.info/forum/china.html. I hope I didn't rain on your China parade but it better that you know now than after you spend $2,000 to fly 5,000 just so you can learn the meaning of "Bait and Switch".

    China can be a fun place to teach and explore so long as you keep your scam radar turned on for your first 90 days, and mix in with a group of China veterans who will teach you the ropes and keep you out of harm's way. I would also suggest that you learn your expat employee rights in China and get yourself a copy of the China School White List ASAP. Also do not go to China if you have asthma. The winter air pollution is truly toxic at least 3 days a week. Gotta run.

    Unfortunately this warning will only save about 2,000 of the 30,000 foreign teachers since most of them are too lazy to do a Google search about China ESL & TEFL job scams.

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    I am not overly excited with negotiating with the Orientals

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions!

    Quote Originally Posted by nomaxim View Post
    Best advice here is;

    Do not deal with any business/company/entities in China. They are most likely a scam.
    You know what I think is amazing is here you here supporting something that Carol is saying...gee, could it be because she is with the scam busters and the C.F.T.U. that you have to keep your mouth shut but when I post something you and your friends do everything you can to talk back to and silence me?

    No wonder people in China band together with vultures like this out there...nobody talks back to the heavyweights like carol or frank or antibiotic it seems. Only to the little guys like me.

    Maybe thats why people join up so you and your friends can't talk back to them anymore because they are sick of it.

    So typical.

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Man Frank View Post
    Unfortunately this warning will only save about 2,000 of the 30,000 foreign teachers since most of them are too lazy to do a Google search about China ESL & TEFL job scams.


    I suggest you take a quick look at this before sending your resume to anyone in China: http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com.

    Also this is a must reqad as well: https://www.scam.com/showthread.php?...-etc-BLACKLIST

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions

    A lot of those are ads for badposting schools too.

    These schools lure you in with promises of marketing experience and then COMPLETELY TRASH your reputation making you post nonsense on the internet. Trust me it is NOT worth it. I did it and look where it got me!

    NEVER POST AGAINST YOUR CONSCIENCE

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions

    Quote Originally Posted by furiousPETER View Post
    A lot of those are ads for badposting schools too.

    These schools lure you in with promises of marketing experience and then COMPLETELY TRASH your reputation making you post nonsense on the internet. Trust me it is NOT worth it. I did it and look where it got me!

    NEVER POST AGAINST YOUR CONSCIENCE
    Hello Peter,

    We know who Erica Lau is and her reputation is not good. But what exactly is she asking people to post and can you give links of examples of what is being posted? It sound shady but we'd like to get all the details. Can you share as much as possible? Thanks - JC/CSP
    Last edited by China Scam Patrol; 11-11-2016 at 02:42 AM.

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    Re: Expat ESL & TEFL Teachers Beware! China Foreign Teacher Job Ads Offer Phoney Positions

    ABout 70% of the ads you see come from three scam companies, ForeignExpats.com, Laowai Career Center, and Foreign HR. Another 10% come from Haida HR, yet another bait and and switch China Job Scam. Wht a fuc*king monopoly they seem to have on the China job market. I'm not sure how the smaller legitimate recruiters like Pacific Bridge stand a chance. The many scam companieskeep forming alias companies in case of them get exposedSe: http://reddit.com/r/tefl_tips_traps_scams for current info.
    Last edited by A Fool No More; 07-19-2017 at 08:10 PM.

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