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    China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...


    My thanks to China Scam Patrol which sent me a huge file on identity theft in China that basically boils down to fake and unlicensed black market agents that collect personal data from both job and visa applicants and then after trying to sell their services, sell the information to identity theft rings for big bucks. In order to avoid detection they sit on the information to let it "cool off" a bit and then go on crime sprees using the victim's identity for all sorts of scams including:

    * Credit Card Fraud
    * Prescription Fraud
    * Mortgage Fraud
    * Check Fraud
    * Driver's License & Passport Fraud
    * Gun Registration Fraud
    * IRS Tax Refund Fraud
    * Automobile Financing Fraud
    * Stock Trading Fraud
    * Jewelry & Pawn Shop Fraud
    * Travel & Casino Fraud


    Usually the victim finds out in about six months after their banks accounts are either emptied or frozen by police investigators and a warrant for their arrest was issued! At the very least this scam costs the victims about $10,000 in legal fees to clear their names and get court orders to restore their previous credit ratings. 3,800 ID thieves have so far been identified by China Scam Patrol and 3,000 of them are China-based, and posing as various head hunters, HR managers, and ESL School job recruiters.

    In order to spot the bogus scam agents the CSP issued these 25 red flags and say that if any China agents falls into 5 or more of these categories, you should avoid and report them to tips{at}chinascampatrol.org

    1. Employees all use Chinglish names like “Peter Gao” or “Susan Liu”. These are fabricated ghost names that are virtually untraceable.

    2. Their web site is less than a year old (or they don’t have one at all)

    3. Their web site uses a .org or .cn domain.

    4. Their web site contains no verifiable street address for their office.

    5. Their web site has no land-line telephone number published – only disposable mobile numbers.

    6. They demand copies of your passport before you receive a written job offer and sign a contract.

    7. They cannot produce a color scan copy of their SAIC Chinese business license which can be verified on line.

    8. They insist on meeting you in a coffee shop or your office – never their own.

    9. They always fill out your visa application in Chinese so you cannot understand if they are lying or not.

    10. They are not members of the BBB or any legitimate Chamber of Commerce. (if they are US-based)

    11. They use disposable free emails like gmail, hotmail, sina, 163, qq, 126, yahoo, etc.

    12. They claim there is someone else with your same name in the computer system and they need your taxpayer ID (SSN) to clarify for the Chinese visa bureau.

    13. They tell you that you don’t need a Z visa right away and to just come to China on an L, F, or M, visa.

    14. They offer to sell you a fake diploma and/or TEFL certificate, or FEC

    15. They tell you that you have a job before you ever even interviewed with the school or director employer.

    16. They never give email confirmations of verbal promises made to you.

    17. They rush or pressure you to sign a contract giving a fake deadline that is only a few days away.

    18. They ask you for the names and phone numbers of your teaching colleagues as a professional references. (They are later contacted and offered jobs in China)

    19. No written job description with the name and school location is provided to you until after your arrive in China.

    20. They ask for up-front money or a deposit of any kind.

    21. They coach you how to lie when applying for your visa.

    22. They tell you that the average wage for expats in China is 5,000-7,000 yuan per month.

    23. They tell you that you must use a visa agent because the application process is very complicated and confusing and/or all the forms are in Chinese! (absolutely false).

    24. That without a TEFL certificate it is impossible to find a teaching job in China that pays more than 5,000 Yuan per month.

    25. That your China employer must hold your passport for a 3-6 month probationary period.



    There is also a blacklist of 35 notorious visa agents and 367 scam recruiters maintained at http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org which I will soon be adding to the China's Liar List here at Scam.com. The last big bust in China for ID theft was 1,700 people back in 2012 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18189980 and since then most of the rings moved from Beijing to Fujian Province where they can better protect themselves with bribes. See: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_bus...pats_monthly_1
    Last edited by Curious Carol; 02-17-2015 at 06:56 PM.

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    I think this is probably the most useful post I have ever seen for any China expat employee because agents dominate the employment market simply due to how they spam their ads in such high volume and Chinese employers tend to hide their phone numbers to avoid 1,000 telephone calls a day. Remember there are 23 million people living in Beijing alone. The self-appointed recruiters exploit this problem to the max. But at least these red flags cut to the chase really quick. Thanks Carol.
    Trust only your birth mother!

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    I just wanted to add that people should never make decisions about working in China without reading five websites first...

    http://ChinaScamWatch.org

    http://www.ChinaForeignTeachersUnion.org

    http://ESLWatch.info/forum/china

    http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com

    http://safea.gov.cn

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Just a note to tell you all that ESLCAFE.com deletes any complaints or scam alerts about their advertisers, and they have over 20 that are outright scams like

    China ESL

    Angelinas ESL Cafe

    Teach in China

    China Teach

    MANY MORE

    Also just try posting a question there about where to find jobs that pay over 15,000 yuan and you will get repeatedly deleted and then banned. Why? Because 90% of the jobs peddled at ESL Cafe our the crap garbage jobs that pay about 6,000 a month - half of the national average in China and they do not want people to know they can find jobs that pay 16,000-20,000 elsewhere on their own! This link will explain what ESLCafe is all about - hustling new teachers: http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtop...sl-tefl-forums

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Thank you for this excellent "weapon" to help keep the China fraudsters out of my life. I also found some other helpful links I want to share for people thinking about China...

    http://chinascamwatch.org

    http://www.chinascambusters.com

    http://www.china foreignteachersunion.com

    http://eslwatch.info/forum/china

    http://safea.gov.cn

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    This is still the most useful thread in the Internet Scam section IMO. For people that want to teach in China, I suggest you follow the advice in the OP and when you have time read visit these China-specific warning sites:

    http://chinascamwatch.org
    http://eslwatch.info/forum/china
    http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com
    http://www.chinascambusters.com
    http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com
    Trust only your birth mother!

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...



    Just a note to let you all know that the China Liars List was just update on August1, 2016 and the CFTU white list and blacklist were updated June 1, 2016. They are free to use and will keep you 99% from China job and internships scams.

    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?7...-etc-BLACKLIST

    http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.com

    WARNING! Do not send any resumes to anyone who advertises at TheBeijinger.com, ESLCafe.com, or EChinaCities.com for the sake of keeping your identity your own. Read here: http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com

    Also if a recruiter can not provide you a scan of their personal government ID card and the SAFEA & SAIC license scan of the school where they allegedly have a job for you, DO NOT SEND THEM A SCAN OF YOUR PASSPORT NOR DISCLOSE YOUR DATE OF BIRTH.

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Hi Carol!

    The new scam I'm hearing about is for the recruiter to both place the teacher and then SELL the Z-visa/RP to another paying customer. A guy in Fuzhou is doing that with at least 4 schools.

    So the teacher gets placed at a legitimate school with the ability to get a Z visa and resident permit, the teacher however is then left to fend for themselves while the Visa/RP is obtained by the school for a 3rd party. So you're working on an overstay visa while some African prince or Arabian is running around selling junk with YOUR rightful visa.

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post

    My thanks to China Scam Patrol which sent me a huge file on identity theft in China that basically boils down to fake and unlicensed black market agents that collect personal data from both job and visa applicants and then after trying to sell their services, sell the information to identity theft rings for big bucks. In order to avoid detection they sit on the information to let it "cool off" a bit and then go on crime sprees using the victim's identity for all sorts of scams including:

    * Credit Card Fraud
    * Prescription Fraud
    * Mortgage Fraud
    * Check Fraud
    * Driver's License & Passport Fraud
    * Gun Registration Fraud
    * IRS Tax Refund Fraud
    * Automobile Financing Fraud
    * Stock Trading Fraud
    * Jewelry & Pawn Shop Fraud
    * Travel & Casino Fraud


    Usually the victim finds out in about six months after their banks accounts are either emptied or frozen by police investigators and a warrant for their arrest was issued! At the very least this scam costs the victims about $10,000 in legal fees to clear their names and get court orders to restore their previous credit ratings. 3,800 ID thieves have so far been identified by China Scam Patrol and 3,000 of them are China-based, and posing as various head hunters, HR managers, and ESL School job recruiters.

    In order to spot the bogus scam agents the CSP issued these 25 red flags and say that if any China agents falls into 5 or more of these categories, you should avoid and report them to tips{at}chinascampatrol.org

    1. Employees all use Chinglish names like “Peter Gao” or “Susan Liu”. These are fabricated ghost names that are virtually untraceable.

    2. Their web site is less than a year old (or they don’t have one at all)

    3. Their web site uses a .org or .cn domain.

    4. Their web site contains no verifiable street address for their office.

    5. Their web site has no land-line telephone number published – only disposable mobile numbers.

    6. They demand copies of your passport before you receive a written job offer and sign a contract.

    7. They cannot produce a color scan copy of their SAIC Chinese business license which can be verified on line.

    8. They insist on meeting you in a coffee shop or your office – never their own.

    9. They always fill out your visa application in Chinese so you cannot understand if they are lying or not.

    10. They are not members of the BBB or any legitimate Chamber of Commerce. (if they are US-based)

    11. They use disposable free emails like gmail, hotmail, sina, 163, qq, 126, yahoo, etc.

    12. They claim there is someone else with your same name in the computer system and they need your taxpayer ID (SSN) to clarify for the Chinese visa bureau.

    13. They tell you that you don’t need a Z visa right away and to just come to China on an L, F, or M, visa.

    14. They offer to sell you a fake diploma and/or TEFL certificate, or FEC

    15. They tell you that you have a job before you ever even interviewed with the school or director employer.

    16. They never give email confirmations of verbal promises made to you.

    17. They rush or pressure you to sign a contract giving a fake deadline that is only a few days away.

    18. They ask you for the names and phone numbers of your teaching colleagues as a professional references. (They are later contacted and offered jobs in China)

    19. No written job description with the name and school location is provided to you until after your arrive in China.

    20. They ask for up-front money or a deposit of any kind.

    21. They coach you how to lie when applying for your visa.

    22. They tell you that the average wage for expats in China is 5,000-7,000 yuan per month.

    23. They tell you that you must use a visa agent because the application process is very complicated and confusing and/or all the forms are in Chinese! (absolutely false).

    24. That without a TEFL certificate it is impossible to find a teaching job in China that pays more than 5,000 Yuan per month.

    25. That your China employer must hold your passport for a 3-6 month probationary period.



    There is also a blacklist of 35 notorious visa agents and 367 scam recruiters maintained at http://www.chinaforeignteachersunion.org which I will soon be adding to the China's Liar List here at Scam.com. The last big bust in China for ID theft was 1,700 people back in 2012 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18189980 and since then most of the rings moved from Beijing to Fujian Province where they can better protect themselves with bribes. See: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_bus...pats_monthly_1
    Thank you for posting this great advice. Hopefully it will save a few people from becoming scam victims.

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Newbie ESL & TEFL Teachers wanting to teach in China, should probably read this here before sending off their resume: https://www.scam.com/entry.php?5521-...nst-job-frauds

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Wow that's awful.

    Do you want to weigh in here, Fat Man Frank?

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    I'm afraid that, I'm glad I read many articles about this recruit. Nor those of propagating on youtube I believe more.

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Quote Originally Posted by sonempes View Post
    I'm afraid that, I'm glad I read many articles about this recruit. Nor those of propagating on youtube I believe more.
    You are right I will make a quickievideoand put thison YouTube and Twitter as well. Btw... here is another great resource for work abroad teachers going to China: http://reddit.com/r/chinascamcentral

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Guys, Help Please!
    I sent a copy of my passport to a malicious recruiter, what should I do? Where do I report him?

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Quote Originally Posted by jhereklazo View Post
    Guys, Help Please!
    I sent a copy of my passport to a malicious recruiter, what should I do? Where do I report him?
    Suggestion: Do not send any further info to that recruiter, block his number after telling them you already found a job. Change your email address after choosing a very long 12-15 character password for your current email. This is how they will look for the banks that you use. I was a victim myself two years ago. This is the same advice the NY fraud detectives gave me. Then send all the details to report@chinascampatrol.org and look into getting life-lock service at least on a free trial basis. Usually the ID theft is not right away but 2-6 months down the road when you forget all about these guys. You should probably identify the guy you are talking about here to help warn others. Good luck and keep your fingers and toes crossed!. You can get some more advice at http://reddit.com/r/chinascamcentral if you are still worried.
    Last edited by A Fool No More; 08-09-2017 at 10:49 PM.

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    Re: China Job Recruiter & Visa Agent Scams - 25 Red Flag Warnings...

    Quote Originally Posted by A Fool No More View Post
    Suggestion: Do not send any further info to that recruiter, block his number after telling them you already found a job. Change your email address after choosing a very long 12-15 character password for your current email. This is how they will look for the banks that you use. I was a victim myself two years ago. This is the same advice the NY fraud detectives gave me. Then send all the details to report@chinascampatrol.org and look into getting life-lock service at least on a free trial basis. Usually the ID theft is not right away but 2-6 months down the road when you forget all about these guys. You should probably identify the guy you are talking about here to help warn others. Good luck and keep your fingers and toes crossed!. You can get some more advice at http://reddit.com/r/chinascamcentral if you are still worried.
    What this people can do with the info in my passport? Should I block my passport?

    Here is her information, actually I identified 2 malicious recruiters, I didn't find any information about them on the Internet, but I can be sure they're not good people:

    AMY JIANG

    First I talked to a person called Amy Jiang
    Then they contact me with the name Zoe using this E-mail: zoe@goldenladder.com.cn

    JESSICA

    This is from a webpage called JEDA https://esljeda.com/
    The E-mail she uses is this one: hr@jedaesl.com
    I had an interview throug Skype, and everything seemed to be ok, however Here are the reasons why I don't trust her:

    1. In their webpage they say Jeda has been working since 2006, but in this link https://www.whois.net/ you can see that esljeda.com was created in 2017. (Creation Date: 2017-02-05T09:38:49Z)
    2. Jessica doesn't use a last name.
    3. They sent me a contract through E-mail and want me to sign it now! Jessica has been telling me to sign it in several times.
    4. The contract stipulates I will be working in a "project school" called "Rongen Kindergarten", but I can't find any information about "Rongen Kindergarten".
    5. Jeda's Facebook has not reactions https://www.facebook.com/jedaesl.
    6. The section called "Teachers Stories" in Jeda's webpage (https://esljeda.com/category/teachers-stories/), has very short "stories" of teachers with no last name.
    7. Jessica has been writing to me in very different times, yesterday at 9:00 am and today at 23:00 pm (Beijing time), so I don't know if that is normal in the schedule of a recruiter.
    8. I can't find their adress in google.


    The last conversation I had with Jessica in Gmail was this:

    • Me: "Great, I will. So, the contract is for this 25, can be a problem if I sign and then I don't find flight tickets for that date? Do I get a penalty if I sign, but I can't be there on that date?"
    • Jessica: You will be able to come on time. We will help you with everything.
    • Me: Can I get more information about Rongen Kindergarten and, if it's possible, contact with someone who is already working with Jeda?
    • Jessica: No , I can't . Everyone is in holiday now. However, I will send you some photos of school today.



    So,
    What this people can do with the info in my passport? Should I block my passport?

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