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    Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    If you have a few extra bucks, and understanding just how bad this economy is for so many, do you hand them a few dollars on the chance that they might really need it?

    Or do you always pass them by, assuming they're scamming the gullible?

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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    If you have a few extra bucks, and understanding just how bad this economy is for so many, do you hand them a few dollars on the chance that they might really need it?

    Or do you always pass them by, assuming they're scamming the gullible?
    I regularly buy a couple of $6 gift cards from 7-11 or McDonald's and I'll give them to someone who might be looking for food. If not< give cash but usually if the person asking seems to genuinely need help and not asking for beer money.
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    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    I regularly buy a couple of $6 gift cards from 7-11 or McDonald's and I'll give them to someone who might be looking for food. If not< give cash but usually if the person asking seems to genuinely need help and not asking for beer money.
    I make them promise to spend my gift on drugs or alcohol.
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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    I do give money to those in need. I also give generously to food pantries in the area. When veggies are $.50 a can and the Dollar general, anyone can afford to buy some and give to the pantries. Don't you think?

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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    I regularly buy a couple of $6 gift cards from 7-11 or McDonald's and I'll give them to someone who might be looking for food. If not< give cash but usually if the person asking seems to genuinely need help and not asking for beer money.
    And you know to tell the difference...HOW? Do you ask, or do you just know by looking at them what they really need?

    r u a mind reader?:yelcutelaughA:

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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    If you have a few extra bucks, and understanding just how bad this economy is for so many, do you hand them a few dollars on the chance that they might really need it?

    Or do you always pass them by, assuming they're scamming the gullible?
    I give on the street, to the food banks and at the 'office'...with extra efforts around the holidays.
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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    And you know to tell the difference...HOW? Do you ask, or do you just know by looking at them what they really need?
    If you offer them food and they turn it down, you get an idea.
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    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    If you offer them food and they turn it down, you get an idea.
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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero
    So you're admitting to be an idiot?
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by mamabear234 View Post
    I do give money to those in need. I also give generously to food pantries in the area. When veggies are $.50 a can and the Dollar general, anyone can afford to buy some and give to the pantries. Don't you think?
    All that's fine, but don't people need more than food (that you choose for them)? Sometimes they have a crisis paying their bills (job loss, too little/no income etc). The guy in my own nearby Detroit who had to walk 20 miles a day for his fairly low paying but NEEDED job (he was supporting himself and 2 others).

    When the multitudes came to John the Baptist to be baptized, he told the crowds to "Bring forth the fruits of repentance" (a changed heart). The crowds said, "What shall we do then?", and John said, If you have 2 coats, and your brother, or sister has none, give one of them to him.

    I think SOME of these people, having never been in this situation, don't even know what options are available to them. I had a friend who lost her home in a fire. I gave her rides to the Salvation Army, and other places. One of the firefighters got the members of his small but effective church to help her out with her immediate needs. I think there is quite a bit of help available IF you know where to look. There might be an immediate need for little cash (if they're sincere), but the best thing, for THEM, might only be a card with contact numbers of places to go in your area to get help with the basics.

    But beyond that, while rereading those scriptures, the blessing comes in the ACT of giving, not in DECIDING whether or not the person is worthy of your gift.
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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    I do give and often. I give because it feels good to help someone in need, especially a family. I give because I have been able to acquire and experience things in life that many will not. I give and expect nothing in return.

    I remember about 3 years ago, I was shopping for groceries and an elderly Mexican woman came up to me and asked if I could buy her grandchildren some cans of Chef Boyardee Ravioli. They are not expensive at all but she said she couldn't afford them after buying her insulin at the pharmacy. She showed me the vials of insulin and the cost that she paid out of pocket. I told her I completely understood her situation and have had to make tough decisions like that in my life at some point.

    To make a long story short, I didn't buy her a few cans of Ravioli. I didn't ask where the children's parents were, nor did I care. I told her to wait a minute as I walked outside and got her a shopping cart. I handed the cart to her and told her to get whatever she needed. After checking out, she told me she didn't plan to have this much food and needed a ride home. I took them home and helped them upstairs with the bags. I started unpacking and not surprisingly, opened up her completely empty fridge to put things in. She went into tears and said she felt guilty because she had nothing in return to give me. I told her I wanted nothing but to see that her and her grandchildren can eat.

    I won't say how much I spent, but they were able to be fed for at least two weeks. I did it because it just felt like something that I had to do. It was about helping out another human being whom really needed resources and the look on her face that somebody does in fact care.

    Some people give because they think it's a chore. These are the same people whom only give a shit during the holidays. Others give because they want to give and get a comfortable feeling knowing that they were able to come to someone's need.
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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    My husband and I have always taken the time to give to someone asking for a few bucks, a cigarette etc. We do this because we feel it is the right thing to do, helping someone in need.
    As a woman and even a man needs to be cautious when being approached by people asking for help or money. You really have to have a feel for how to approach this and be safe.
    Very true. You always take a risk when doing something like that. Growing up in inner city gang-infested neighborhoods like I did teaches you to always be aware of your surroundings.

    Funny thing is, you actually can become more sympathetic to those around you whom are living paycheck to paycheck, in the projects, etc. who don't want to be where they and are struggling to get out. As you said, you really do have to have a feel for how to approach things and perhaps maybe this comes with experience from dealing with many different types of people.

    And props to you and your husband for helping those in need as well.

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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctobe View Post
    I do give and often. I give because it feels good to help someone in need, especially a family. I give because I have been able to acquire and experience things in life that many will not. I give and expect nothing in return.

    I remember about 3 years ago, I was shopping for groceries and an elderly Mexican woman came up to me and asked if I could buy her grandchildren some cans of Chef Boyardee Ravioli. They are not expensive at all but she said she couldn't afford them after buying her insulin at the pharmacy. She showed me the vials of insulin and the cost that she paid out of pocket. I told her I completely understood her situation and have had to make tough decisions like that in my life at some point.

    To make a long story short, I didn't buy her a few cans of Ravioli. I didn't ask where the children's parents were, nor did I care. I told her to wait a minute as I walked outside and got her a shopping cart. I handed the cart to her and told her to get whatever she needed. After checking out, she told me she didn't plan to have this much food and needed a ride home. I took them home and helped them upstairs with the bags. I started unpacking and not surprisingly, opened up her completely empty fridge to put things in. She went into tears and said she felt guilty because she had nothing in return to give me. I told her I wanted nothing but to see that her and her grandchildren can eat.

    I won't say how much I spent, but they were able to be fed for at least two weeks. I did it because it just felt like something that I had to do. It was about helping out another human being whom really needed resources and the look on her face that somebody does in fact care.

    Some people give because they think it's a chore. These are the same people whom only give a shit during the holidays. Others give because they want to give and get a comfortable feeling knowing that they were able to come to someone's need.


    Good story! I wonder how many others she would have or could have asked that would have simply turned her down, called her names, told her to go get a job, etc.



    I've done similarly. About six months ago, I got to know a couple crackhead folks who had a 20 something daughter with a son she was trying to raise as a single parent, along with them.

    They were much like children themselves....reminded me of baby birds when their momma comes to the nest. Mouths open, chirping "give me, give me, give me.......feed me, feed me, feed me....I want, I want, I want"

    Their daughter was working a minimum paying job, part time, no high school diploma, doing her damnedest to make ends meet, on welfare, in a car that should have been taken around the corner and ceremonially shot and buried 15 years ago, stuck having to bum rides into work because the car hardly ever ran right, no food in the fridge, bills overdue, caught in the fvcked situation of payday loans at several locations that she went around to every payday to pay off and reloan with no hope ever of repaying on her small income, etc, etc, etc.....and her crackhead folks stealing and taking wherever they could to support their habbits.

    I discovered these people right about the time that a major rock bottom event was occuring. Things had come to a head to the extent that the money and welfare, and efforts, and bills created an imminent gap of two weeks without food. Their local foodbank quota was even tapped out....
    I took her to the grocery store and walked it with her up and down every isle, letting her pick out as much as she thought they needed to make it through that spell. I then took her to every payday loan place that she had open balances with and paid them all completely off, to the tune of roughly $6,500. Afterwards, I gifted her my 40 mile per gallon, paid off car that ran like a champ and taught her to drive it (standard transmission), and got her 6 months liability insurance, registered, and everything legit. The old car she was using had bad plates on it, and she was running on a whisper and a prayer that she didn't get pulled over....

    The Glenn Beck's of the world, and those with lots of questions that make people like that justify their need before giving like to call folks like her and her parents leeches, snakes, undeserving of our help....
    I chose to offer them a little grace instead, as I know from personal experience the desparation and pain that they were in (especially the single mother and her son), having lived it....only I myself didn't find someone that was willing to help me and my family, even after visiting the local "help centers" and talking with church pastors.

    If someone asks me for something, I give it. If I let someone borrow something of mine, I lend it to them with no hope of getting it back in the same condition as it was, if at all. People are people. Grace is grace. Possessions are just possessions.....

    I'm not a Christian, but I like a lot of the ideas in the bible. One of them is found in Matthew:

    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    And yet, even with this scripture, most Christians out there ask 50 questions before lending someone a damn dollar.
    If they truly wanted to do the "right" thing, I'd think they would give what was asked of them and let God sort out the details of how it was used with the receiving party.
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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    This is even harder to follow for Christians and non-Christians alike:

    Mathew 6: 1 - 3

    1"Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.
    2"So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
    3"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,…
    A thread like this makes it more difficult to practice charity in its' purest form.

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    Re: Do You Ever Give to Those Standing On the Side of the Road Asking for Help?

    Quote Originally Posted by noagenda View Post
    This is even harder to follow for Christians and non-Christians alike:

    Mathew 6: 1 - 3



    A thread like this makes it more difficult to practice charity in its' purest form.

    Kris Kristofferson, Willie Nelson, Brenda Lee, Johnny Cash, and Dolly Parton "sing" this well.





    This portion of scripture speaks of giving to be seen by others, and praying to be seen by all as a "righteous" person, boastful and proud....both of which in their own way make a mockery of the event, the charity, and the prayer.


    To be clear, my intent in my last wasn't to boast, nor was my comment on the other poster meant as public back slapping or an "attaboy," but as an example of the difference in posture by some to folks in need vs others.

    ....now where where did I put that rock I've been hiding under all these months....hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleman View Post
    Kris Kristofferson, Willie Nelson, Brenda Lee, Johnny Cash, and Dolly Parton "sing" this well.





    This portion of scripture speaks of giving to be seen by others, and praying to be seen by all as a "righteous" person, boastful and proud....both of which in their own way make a mockery of the event, the charity, and the prayer.


    To be clear, my intent in my last wasn't to boast, nor was my comment on the other poster meant as public back slapping or an "attaboy," but as an example of the difference in posture by some to folks in need vs others.

    ....now where where did I put that rock I've been hiding under all these months....hmm.
    I'm sure your intent is pure BM. The thread title requires you to share your experience. It is a clear example of selfless love and I'm sure the experience was and is forever gratifying. One of the side benefits of true charity. I hope the real benefit of your effort comes when the recipient can take what you have given and pay it forward.

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