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    The Patriots Are Cheaters

    It looks like the NFL has confirmed that the Patriots gained an edge my deflating footballs, giving them an edge in the passing game. Looks like it didn't matter against the Colts but cheating is cheating. We know that the Patriots cheated in the 2001 Super Bowl unless you believe that the NFL commissioner reviewed the tapes of the Patriots cheating, ruled them clean but fined them nearly a million dollars and took away a #1 draft pick just for the trouble of it all. Oh and he destroyed the tapes without allowing anyone else to review the tapes.

    If cheating only results in a fine or some draft picks, why not cheat? You get the Super Bowl title and lose a million in fines. Who cares, it's worth it.

    The Patriots will only stop cheating if they have to forfeit games. The Colts now advance to the Super Bowl because the Patriots cheated in the game. If not, why not cheat and pay the fines?
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    I posted a thread about the deflated football accusations, guess you missed it.
    I'll delete it.

    Show me where they have proven the charges are true.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/on-scal...070254658.html
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Thanks for the link

    If they prove the Patriots did purposely cheat, then the rules should be changed.

    The Patriots should not get the win. But the rules say otherwise for now.

    Wow, just wow.
    This isn't the first time. They were caught cheating (filming the other team) and got fined nearly a million dollars and lost a first round draft pick.

    But unless forfeiture is the penalty, why not cheat during the super bowl?
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    I'm not understanding how the ref's missed the fact the balls were deflated.
    Did they deflate them during the game or before?

    Could it have been the weather that caused the air to be low?

    I'm waiting for the investigation to be concluded and then decide if the Patriots are once again cheaters. If they are found to be responsible for the football problem, it should fire up the Seahawks and their fans. In fact it could bring about some violence from those who hate cheaters.
    My understanding is that each team supplies 12 footballs for the game. How can the Patriots have 11 of 12 balls deflated when the officials check the balls 2 hours before the game? If it was the cold air, the Colts' footballs would also be deflated.

    Without harsh penalties, why not cheat, win the championship and then just pay a fine?
    Any NFL owner can easily afford to pay a million dollar fine and would be glad to do so if it meant they tool home the Lombardi trophy.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    You're right about the temp. and it affecting the weight.
    I think given the history of cheating, the penalty should be quite substantial.

    Sean Payton, coach of the Saints, was suspended for a full year for bounty gate, even though he was not involved in it. And that did not involve giving his team any competitive advantage.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Agreed,

    No matter how you say it, cheating is cheating, and even through it had no impact on outcome, it is still cheating and has hurt the game just as steroids has hurt other sports like baseball, pathetic is what it is. PERIOD

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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeggieSue View Post
    Tom Brady has said he knows nothing about the balls being deflated.

    How could he not have noticed?

    If anyone should have noticed, it should have been the quarterback.
    In my opinion, he lied. Other NFL QB's have chimed in that the footballs are only rubbed down or altered to the liking of the QB. Rubbing down the balls to make them less slippery is legal, but not deflating them. Deflating the balls slightly in bad weather makes it easier to grip and throw. The other QBs said the QB would definitely know that the ball was altered or not.

    But the patriots got caught and they should be penalized.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Update: A New England staff may have been filmed taking the balls from where the officials had them stored.

    I also heard and interesting clip on the radio. That Tom Brady had advocated for traveling teams to bring their own balls to the games. That happened around 2007. A stats guy did some numbers and found that since around 2007, the patriots fumbled about half as often as the rest of the NFL. However, players who leave the patriots tend to return back to the NFL average in terms of fumbles.

    Deflated balls, being easier to grip could contribute to a team fumbling less. Maybe the patriots have been cheating all along and only got caught now?
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    LIBERAL LIARS ONE AND ALL... The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Funny how much press this story gets about footballs, but no attention on what really is important, congress with no balls to fight the fraud going on right under their noses at the White House.

    Now that the video shows the cheating of deflating balls to Brady's preference, so who will be punished, the ball boy, and if so, I am sure Brady has arranged a golden parachute deal to reward him.

    Brady and Patriots have always pushed the envelope to the edge, and got caught with spying on opposition teams, so does anyone really believe these liberal liars. After all, liberal liars dominate the country, and it has spread throughout government and corporate America, so does this surprise anyone?

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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...dUI/story.html

    Or perhaps something else has been in the works. As Sharp speculates, maybe they’ve invented a “revolutionary in-house way to protect the ball” or they design plays that don’t put players in the position to fumble. Or maybe it’s the ball.


    The Patriots have held the best plays per fumble rate since 2007. Sharp also points out this is the first year the Patriots started outperforming in wet weather games. After going 0-2 in 2006, New England has gone an unprecedented 14-1 in Tom Brady wet weather home games (compared to 51-9 in dry weather home games). According to ProFootballReference.com, from 2001 to 2006, Brady averaged 9.8 fumbles per season. From 2007 to 2014, his fumbles per season decreased to 5.3.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Pats have be absolved. Hatriots go back with the rest of your pathetic weak kneed bed wetting milquetoast moonbat libs and enjoy the raping we put on you.
    After all, if it's inevitable, might as well sit back and enjoy it.

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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by Revydo View Post
    Pats have be absolved. Hatriots go back with the rest of your pathetic weak kneed bed wetting milquetoast moonbat libs and enjoy the raping we put on you.
    After all, if it's inevitable, might as well sit back and enjoy it.

    SCOREBOARD, hahahahaha
    You'd be wrong.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ne...ng_controversy

    The 2007 New England Patriots videotaping controversy, widely dubbed "Spygate",[1][2] refers to an incident during the National Football League's (NFL) 2007 season when the New England Patriots were disciplined by the league for videotaping New York Jets' defensive coaches' signals during a September 9, 2007 game from a sideline location. The act was deemed by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to be in violation of league rules. After an investigation, the NFL fined Patriots head coach Bill Belichick $500,000 (the maximum allowed by the league and the largest fine ever imposed on a coach in the league's 87-year history) for his role in the incident, fined the Patriots $250,000, and docked the team their original first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft which would have been the 31st pick of the draft.[3] The fine garnered significant media attention for being the "maximum amount" an individual could be fined.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    No sir, you'd be wrong.
    That was not cheating, just in the wrong area.
    Trundle along now.
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Quote Originally Posted by Revydo View Post
    No sir, you'd be wrong.
    That was not cheating, just in the wrong area.
    Trundle along now.
    LOL, whatever you say.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    I like you Joey, you're a smart cookie,lol.
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    Re: The Patriots Are Cheaters

    Here's my idea for the Superbowl,

    Wish I could sell these in the parking lot and have some drunk fans throw them on field.

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