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    The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages



    Sometimes what is not said is worse than what is actually said. Anyone who has been married probably learned this lesson the hard way. But in this "SILENT SCAM" we are talking about expats and their jobs in China. Over 500,000 of us came to China to cash in on their economic boom, but 80% of the expats here wound up being English teachers, even if they never taught anything to anyone back in their homeland. Still their native English is much better than what is found locally. But getting to the scam...

    80% of China job applicants go through a recruiter who finds many devious ways to milk each applicant for as much money as possible, with the exception of literally a handful of honest guys who apparently value their reputation. These recruiters will tell the applicants only what they want them to know, and will NEVER ever mention that they have the following rights guaranteed by recent amendments to Chines labor laws:

    * You have the right to receive an original hard copy of your contract that is signed and chopped (red sealed) at the time you sign an employee agreement.

    * You have the right to receive a written job description prior to signing your contract. It is up to YOU to make sure that job description is specific, in English, and not so vague that your hours, working days, work location, pay rate, holidays, bonuses, visa costs, air fare reimbursement, release letters, etc are clearly spelled out in no uncertain terms.

    * You cannot be compelled nor forced to do anything not specified in your job description (which you should insist becomes and exhibit to your contract and also gets signed and chopped. This stops you from being used as a marketing monkey in shopping malls on the street handing out flyers).

    * Your probationary period cannot exceed one month for each year of your employment contract.
    So if you are asked to sign a one year contract, your probation period should not exceed one month. If however, you sign a contract that specifies a 3 or 6 month probationary period, you are implicitly waiving your right on this issue.

    * If you hold an FEC (Foreign Experts Certificate) you cannot be compelled to work unpaid overtime hours without your consent.
    This one protection alone is worth about 5,000 - 10,000 rmb every month to some expat teachers in China

    * You have the right to receive both an invitation letter and release letter free of charge (These are both legal requirements and administrative duties of the employer)

    * You have a right to a Z visa if employed in China (Again, this is a legal duty of the employers and if anyone tells you that you only get a Z visa after you complete your probationary period they are surely a scam operation to be avoided).

    By not telling them about these rights, they will believe the lies that follow...

    A) "You will only be paid 50% of your salary for your 90 day probationary period"

    B) "You don't need a Z visa until after you complete your probationary period"

    C) "If you don't do well on your evaluation, your probationary period will be extended to 6 months.

    D) "Since you don't have a TEFL certificate nor 5 years previous teaching experience, you will work 6 months as a teacher intern at 50% salary, and then 3 months at 75% of full salary, and your last 3 months of your first year you will collect full pay"


    These are just come of the many lies told to the newbies and guess who gets to pocket all that extra money? Yep, the recruiter. The same recruiter who told the applicant that full pay is $1,200 a month when it is really $2,000 a month! Often the recruiter will split this money with the school's principal or headmaster to go along with the game. Fortunately this ploy doesn't work at the public schools and universities of China - only the private schools and learning centers. But teachers working without a Z visa, have no rights at all since they are classified as "illegal aliens" and when caught will be jailed and deported.

    The CFTU (China Foreign Teachers Union) recently did a quick poll of 500 expat teachers in China and found that 70% of them were totally unaware of the above employee rights and have all been working unpaid overtime for months, and 32% for more than a year. So if you add up all the skimmed money from the unpaid overtime, the monthly $300 hair cut, the bogus 50% intern and/or probation period money, the employee is being robbed of about 40% of his/her total pay - maybe even 50% if they throw in the lie about the "20% China automatic income tax deduction"!!!

    Silence in China is indeed golden! Now you can understand why the CFTU gets bashed and trashed so much by recruiters pretending to be fellow teachers recruiting on ESL & TEFL message boards or expat forums, after being outed as one of the above skimmers. And the sad part is... they are not all Chinese! See the below links:

    http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/sca...fl-forums.html

    http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/20...s-expat-forums

    http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125

    http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

    http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3514

    Foreign teachers in China are the lowest paid expats in the country, yet they are the most targeted by the fraudsters and ID thieves. Teachers are supposed to be teaching lessons to others. But in China they are the ones learning them - the hard way. If you are one of them, I suggest you visit http://chinascamwatch.org and make yourself scam-proof in a hurry.


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    Last edited by Curious Carol; 12-19-2014 at 03:52 PM.

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages

    Happy Holidays To All My Scam.com colleagues, friends, and unfortunate victims. In 2015 my New Year's Resolution is to learn from my mistakes! I hope you all have quality time with your loved ones over the holiday break - Carol

    Last edited by Curious Carol; 12-22-2014 at 09:23 PM.

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages

    Suggestion to anyone wanting to work in China...

    Read three web sites before making any move or sending your resume to anyone:

    http://www.CleverChinaCheaters.com

    http://ChinaScamWatch.org

    http://www.ChinaScamBusters.com

    Maybe then you might have second thoughts, and if not you will at least know all the red flags to watch out for!

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages

    Thanks for the links CS but the only way to stop these bastards is to set up a China Scam Baiting Club. Anyone up for this?
    Trust only your birth mother!

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyber Snoop View Post
    Suggestion to anyone wanting to work in China...

    Read three web sites before making any move or sending your resume to anyone
    Oops! I had no idea about all this. I only sent my resumé and my boyfriend's. What should I do now? what are the risks of having done so? Any advice is more than welcome.
    (I did not send anything else, once they asked me for my passport before even having an interview I freaked out and walked away)

    Thanx!

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages

    This is devious shit!

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Man Frank View Post
    This is devious shit!
    Actually in the case of expat teacher Katherine Cox, China ESL took 66% of your total wages! If you think you are smarter than a Chinese scam artist, guess again. (Google "teacher, katherine Cox, Rebecca, China ESL" for the full story. This is the case that expose TheBeijinger as a front for China ESL and over 300 complaints about China ESL on their forum spanning five years weree deleted by thebeijinger.com or Rebecca Tang was not going to renew her $50,000 advertising contract. TheBeijinger caved and took her dirty money and screwsed the expats in China. That is why thebeijinger got their own scam warnings on quite a few ESL/TEF forums.

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages

    Hey Carol and everybody else,

    How do you feel about a school that forces teachers to be thought managers on the internet for their recruiter buddies? Doesn't let them leave for lunch or get their pay until they met their posting quota.

    Do you think the school is right to do it so long as they can find people morally bankrupt enough to do it or do the teachers willing have it coming?

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages

    Quote Originally Posted by furiousPETER View Post
    Hey Carol and everybody else,

    How do you feel about a school that forces teachers to be thought managers on the internet for their recruiter buddies? Doesn't let them leave for lunch or get their pay until they met their posting quota.

    Do you think the school is right to do it so long as they can find people morally bankrupt enough to do it or do the teachers willing have it coming?
    Sounds really low and dubious. Can you give the details or just out the creeps? What school? Are they licensed and registered with SAFEA and SAIC? Whose the principal and the recruiters involved. Send me a PM with the details if you don't want to get involved. But frankly I am not surprised to hear about anything like this from China.

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their Wages

    I mentioned in the thread below. Bunch of creeps

    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?7...d-posting-scum

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their

    This is shameful. If someone pulled this shit in America they would be fertilizer by now.

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their

    This is one of the best posts on this website and every expat worker in China needs to read this IMO.

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their

    The best way to avoid the silent scam is to apply directly to China schools and employers without using a recruiter or agent, and if you already are talking with one, ask him/or her just 7 questions that will tell you whether you can trust your agent or not.

    https://www.scam.com/entry.php?6458-...mp-7-Questions


    Remember what the CTA told us two years ago about the 90% rule...

    "90% of China employers are honest, fair, and ethical, but 90% of China job agents and recruiters are not".

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    Since I see that Rebecca Tang was released from jail and now prowling the streets of Beijing again, I thought it was appropriate to bump this post. http://www.realscam.com/f51/rebecca-...ompanies-4817/. She is also featured at http://reddit.com/tefl_esl_scams
    Deduction my ass... I need proof!

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their

    The sleazy Chinese woman who invented this incredible scam in 2009 has been released from prison and has assumed 11 new company names and changed her Chinglish name from Rebecca Tang to Rosie Tang. Be sure to avoid these 11 alias companies: https://www.scam.com/showthread.php?...-Beijing-Teach
    If in doubt about any China company or entity, make this your first stop http://reddit.com/r/chinascamcentral

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    Re: The Silent Scam Cheats China Expats & Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers Out of 40% Of Their

    The dumb-ass teachers empower the crooked recruiters and shady schools to exploit them by signing illegal employment contracts. Remove the source of the problem and stop bitching about it! https://www.scam.com/entry.php?8576-...egal-contracts

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