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    N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    Notice how USAToday has spun this story with it's MAST or HEADLINE.
    Notice also that a TV Crew got roughed up in the incident.

    Source URL: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...g_x.htm?csp=24

    Posted 10/10/2005 2:57 PM Updated 10/10/2005 11:35 PM

    New Orleans man denies police officers' allegations
    NEW ORLEANS (AP) — A retired elementary teacher who was repeatedly punched in the head by police in an incident caught on videotape said Monday he was not drunk, put up no resistance and was baffled by what happened.

    Robert Davis lies handcuffed on the sidewalk after being arrested in the French Quarter of New Orleans Saturday night.
    By Mel Evans, AP

    Robert Davis said he had returned to New Orleans to check on property his family owns in the storm-ravaged city, and was out looking to buy cigarettes when he was beaten and arrested Saturday night in the French Quarter. (Related video: Beating caught on tape)

    Police have alleged that the 64-year-old Davis was publicly intoxicated, a charge he strongly denied as he stood on the street corner where the incident played out Saturday.

    "I haven't had a drink in 25 years," Davis said. He had stitches beneath his left eye, a bandage on his left hand and complained of soreness in his back and aches in his left shoulder.

    A federal civil rights investigation was begun in the case. Davis is black; the three city police officers seen on the tape are white.

    But Davis, his attorney and police spokesman Marlon Defillo all said they do not believe race was an issue.

    "He does not see it as a racial thing," said Davis' lawyer, Joseph Bruno.


    Officers plead not guilty

    Two city officers accused in the beating, and a third officer accused of grabbing and shoving an Associated Press Television News producer who helped document the confrontation, pleaded not guilty Monday to battery charges.

    Trial was set at a hearing Monday for Jan. 11. Afterward, officers Lance Schilling, Robert Evangelist and S.M. Smith were released on bond. They left without commenting.

    Police Superintendent Warren Riley said any misconduct would be dealt with swiftly. He noted the video showed "a portion of that incident."

    "The actions that were observed on this video are certainly unacceptable by this department," Riley said.

    Two other officials in the video appeared to be federal officers, according to police. Numerous agencies have sent officers to help with patrols in the aftermath of Katrina.

    Stephen Kodak, an FBI spokesman in Washington, said none of its agents had been disciplined. He said the FBI was taking part in the Justice Department's civil rights probe.


    Asked about curfew

    Davis said he had been walking in the French Quarter and approached a mounted police officer to ask about the curfew in the city when another officer interrupted.


    AP
    Robert Davis

    "This other guy interfered and I said he shouldn't," Davis said. "I started to cross the street and — bam — I got it. ... All I know is this guy attacked me and said, 'I will kick your ass,' and they proceeded to do it."

    He said he did not know why the punches were thrown.

    The confrontation came as the New Orleans Police Department — long plagued by allegations of brutality and corruption — struggles with the aftermath of Katrina.

    The APTN tape shows an officer hitting Davis at least four times in the head outside a bar. Davis twisted and flailed as he was dragged to the ground by several officers. Davis's lawyer said his client did not resist.

    "I don't think that when a person is getting beat up there's a whole lot of thought. It's survival. You don't have a whole lot of time to think when you're being pummeled," Bruno said.

    Davis was kneed and pushed to the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter. The officers accused of striking Davis were identified as Schilling and Evangelist.


    TV producer roughed up

    Mayor Ray Nagin said, "I don't know what the gentleman did, but whatever he did, he didn't deserve what I saw on tape."

    During the arrest, another officer, identified as Smith, ordered APTN producer Rich Matthews and a cameraman to stop recording. When Matthews held up his credentials, the officer grabbed the producer, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.

    Police said Davis was booked on public intoxication, resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and public intimidation.

    The head of the New Orleans police union said the officers told him they had acted appropriately.

    "They feel they were justified in their actions and they were using the amount of force necessary to overcome the situation," Lt. David Benelli told WDSU in New Orleans.


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    Re: N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    I saw that. It was horrible & inexcusable.
    Police brutality is out of control & has been for years. I agree that there are certain circumstances where they need to use force, but too many are using force when it is clearly NOT needed.

    My uncle was beaten & killed by police for public drunk almost 30 yrs. ago. He was not a thug either, he was a decent person.
    This has been going on for too long.
    .........They have been getting away w/it for too long.

    Now that we have video cameras, more people are becoming aware of this.

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    In my opinion the N.O. police officers are not mentally fit to perform as they usually do. They lost their homes, they do not have their families with them, working mandated extra hours, the stress level must be incrediable. Unfortunately, if these officers do not get counseling or some type of job stress relief, I would not be surprised if you see more unfortunate incidents such as this one. The police union should step up to the plate and try to get some of these officers back with their families, that's where their support comes from. Maybe something like a Quality Control Unit needs to be implemented to see the signs of frustration in officers before they have a chance to vent it negatively on the public.

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    Re: N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    Quote Originally Posted by tommy4887
    In my opinion the N.O. police officers are not mentally fit to perform as they usually do. They lost their homes, they do not have their families with them, working mandated extra hours, the stress level must be incrediable. Unfortunately, if these officers do not get counseling or some type of job stress relief, I would not be surprised if you see more unfortunate incidents such as this one. The police union should step up to the plate and try to get some of these officers back with their families, that's where their support comes from. Maybe something like a Quality Control Unit needs to be implemented to see the signs of frustration in officers before they have a chance to vent it negatively on the public.
    I agree. They are only human after all, not robots.
    This incident definitely shows that SOMETHING is wrong here.

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    Re: N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    Have either of you ever spent any time in the French Quarter?

    Doubtless you are 99.9999% correct that (A.S.S.) 'adaptative stress syndrome'
    has their sanity redlined, but the NOPD was already over the edge prior to Katrina.

    The actions of police officers always look different from the street scene than they do on the tube. I've seen NOPD rough people up for flimsy cause plenty of times and I've never been there for more than a day or two. NOLA resident buskers have told me never to look them in the eye while they are jerking you around because it pisses them off and they are likely to beat you.

    And do not, under any circumstances attempt to argue your constitutional rights with them because that pretty much guarantees an 'attitude adjustment' and inflated criminal charges. I learned that one the hard way in Burbank, CA when Burbank oinkers wanted to toss my motorhome parked in the lot of the Burbank Little Theater-in-the-Park where I had a live-in job as Associate Producer/Maintenance Engineer.

    I didn't want them in there without probable cause and didn't want to answer questions that were not germane to the situation at hand. They didn't beat me up and couldn't really come up with a good enough reason to get a search warrant, but they sure as hell wrote me up for every little thing they found wrong with the vehicle and my paperwork.

    My Friend, Lady Shana Chai with her black and tan face and long white teeth sitting in the driver's seat freaking out was helpful in keeping them from just barging in and was probably a consideration in deciding not to push for a warrant. In fact, she probably convinced more police than I did in her 12 years to please leave the fvck alone, ok?

    People who get beaten by uniformed swine invariably, as in the case of Mr. Davis, are charged with resisting arrest and assault of a police officer. That's SOP in the Brother Blue CYA Handbook. Juries tend to believe police officers over the defendants and they sit up in the box lying their a$$e$ off, getting their conviction, or at worst, a dismissal, but rarely any punishment for what they did. Most attorneys will not even take a police abuse case unless there is permanent disability or wrongful death for a cause.

    My best wishes go out to Robert Davis and his attorney and we should all pray for their success in having those men prosecuted for battery.

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    Re: N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    Hi Tommy,

    PTSD might explain the police in New Orleans.
    What excuse do the Los Angeles, New York, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, police have?

    DeeDee1965

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    Re: N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    Hey now, Sweet Cheeks!

    Numerous:

    - Poor psychological screening of applicants. LAPD was called to the carpet on that while I was living there in the '80's. They were averaging 75 new complaints of police abuse recorded by the ACLU alone (who rarely litigated any but the really high profile movies) while I was living there.

    - Preferential hiring of discharged military personnel whose military training is diametrically opposed to the mission of a municipal law enforcement officer.

    - Widespread graft and corruption that has converted most municipal police departments into paramilitary mercenary groups protecting the interests of
    racketeers, merchants and entertainment venue owners. Officers who refuse to 'eat out of the bag' and start blowing whistles are often killed or set up to be killed by their own 'BROTHERS OF THE BADGE'.

    - The fractalization of our society along economic class lines and profiling database 'knowledge=INFO POWER' leading to biased and prejudicial law enforcement. We unstable malcontents call those the 'Ugly Laws' that make being dirty, carrying too much personal property and sleeping in public into 'probable cause' for 'interview' and 'search' by LEOs.

    On Venice Beach, we used to call the resulting criminal charges things like 'Misdemeanor Possession of a need to sleep', 'Felonious expression of a grin', and 'busted for having too much fun'.

    You found anybody cool to connect with out there, yet?

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    Re: N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    Couldn't get the video of the USAToday site...got some weird debate show...didn't really wanna watch the whole show but i found the clip of the dude get beat at my other video site...man just when the one cop tries to block the cameras with his horse you can really see them whack that poor man hard!!!...guess the cops weren't too impressed by the guy flashing his press pass either huh?!?!...in case anyone wants to see it here's the direct link... http://www.muchosucko.com/video-this...earoldman.html

    also check out vp DICK cheney get cussed out during an interview...you can hear the people in the background say: "go f---k yourself mr. cheney"!!! lol
    http://www.muchosucko.com/video-go**...fmrchenny.html


    I also encourage people to just check out this website's political/video section...they got very good stuff believe...if you can just ignore the porn..they're all sorts of interesting clips for libs & cons alike...a whole documentary about how the Bush family worked with Hitler during WWII

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    guess for the cheney clip you have to fill in the blanks in the link which will be
    f---yourself..but without the dashes!!

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    Hey Tommy,

    "Discharged military personnel"= PTSD, Yes.

    "Graft, corruption, poor psychological screening, the conversion of police depts. to paramilitary mercenary groups" =PTSD. NO!

    I will ask again:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee1965
    PTSD might explain the police in New Orleans.
    What excuse do the Los Angeles, New York, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, police have?
    DeeDee1965

    (Not yet, working on it. I am the queen of procrastination. :p)

    DeeDee1965

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    Re: N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    This thread is a bit like the "torture..." thread...There is a percentage of the population that is prone to commit violence against helpless individuals...this percentage will be higher in the case of military or police personnel where aggression is prized and is an important part of the job. However, if you don't think there is just a bit more here than this fellas attorney claims, you are mistaken. Read an ACTUAL account of the entire Rodney King arrest to see how a film clip can be very misleading--not to say he wasn't abused, but that the clip needs to be in some sort of context. I think people sometimes do not understand how thin the line is between 'control' and 'abuse'...I know of only a couple of individuals who could subdue a drunk 220 pound man without being injured in some way, unless weapons are used. If an officer(or 2 or 3) are trying to subdue a drunken 220 pound man who is resisting, it is important to realize that ALL of these men are being injured...they are on the ground, on cement, against the wall, being hit with holstered weapons the entire time. The only one who is not in pain, sometimes tremendous pain, is the one who is 'anesthetized'. Many people initially percieve abuse during ANY arrest that goes to the ground. Civilians do not understand the all the screaming and aggression is so that the suspect will just STOP. They invariably complain about being abused immediatly after being controlled, when only seconds earlier they were fighting to kill. Many suspects involved in difficult arrests are bleeding before or during the arrest, which is another aggravating factor for cops...the threat of catching something from having a suspects blood all over you is a strong incentive to end the resistance quickly.

    Contrary to some of the opinions on this thread, most cops try to do good, quality work everyday. Many of them regard their job as the last line of defense between the scum and the law-abiders...because it is. They are similar to the military in that we know they are necessary but we don't want the ACTUAL gory details. They see things every week that most of us cannot comprehend...how people live, different levels of abuse, inhuman crimes committed by individuals who do not even realize they broke a law. Protecting the public is the highest calling that someone can aspire to, and the compensation in no way approaches the level of danger or the attrition to an individuals sanity.

    As for the officers in N.O., I agree 100% with T4887...remember, these are the ones who DIDN'T run away...and now have to arrest fellow residents who have also been traumatized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrone
    1) I think people sometimes do not understand how thin the line is between 'control' and 'abuse'...I know of only a couple of individuals who could subdue a drunk 220 pound man without being injured in some way, unless weapons are used. If an officer(or 2 or 3) are trying to subdue a drunken 220 pound man who is resisting, it is important to realize that ALL of these men are being injured...they are on the ground, on cement, against the wall, being hit with holstered weapons the entire time. The only one who is not in pain, sometimes tremendous pain, is the one who is 'anesthetized'.

    2)They see things every week that most of us cannot comprehend...how people live, different levels of abuse, inhuman crimes committed by individuals who do not even realize they broke a law. Protecting the public is the highest calling that someone can aspire to, and the compensation in no way approaches the level of danger or the attrition to an individuals sanity.

    3)As for the officers in N.O., I agree 100% with T4887...remember, these are the ones who DIDN'T run away...and now have to arrest fellow residents who have also been traumatized.
    1) I completely agree....many people don't understand that a little ruf***e, rough takedown, yelling etc is primarily to stun a person into submission with having to do serious damage!...This is also the reason why officers like to "attack" in pairs because the shock value prevents them from having to use real brute force...believe me being taken down is a lot less painful than getting punched or hit with a club...a single officer going one on one will have to use more severe tactics that might not seem so bad simply because he's alone!

    2) This is absolute BS...you sign up for this job and cannot let what you see affect you professionally...when I'm Afghan or Iraq I can't say: "damn i took a bullet in the vest" or "i'm sick of seeying kids with their legs blown off" so lets just abuse any random person because i can't deal with it anymore...i signed up for the military voluntarily and cops sign up for service voluntarily...they don't like they should quit (and i didn't reinlist after a long time in the Army for various reasons but one was that i couldn't deal with it anymore and it was affecting my modus operandus)..they shouldn't allow it to affect their service in any way!!

    3) Again this is ridiculous...cops in NYC didn't go crazy after 9-11 and start whacking people any more often than they usually do, did they?... if they have been severely traumatized then they should be temporarily relieved from duty until they have recomposed themselves! Plus from my experience in NO, French Quarters...the cops there have always been a little off!!

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    Oh Pwrone..when i said "absolute BS"...nothing personal...its just how i feel about that argument regardless who makes it!

    I'm not saying that you don't know what you're talking about...I'm just saying I don't know what you're talking about!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mroels
    Oh Pwrone..when i said "absolute BS"...nothing personal...its just how i feel about that argument regardless who makes it!

    I'm not saying that you don't know what you're talking about...I'm just saying I don't know what you're talking about!!

    you vile, smarmy maggot, you!

    how can you presume not to understand what low pwrone is talking about without it being so obviously a brazen attack against the integrity of his thought processor and ability to communicate his mis-information to other humans?

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    Re: N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    Quote Originally Posted by mroels
    1) I completely agree....many people don't understand that a little ruf***e, rough takedown, yelling etc is primarily to stun a person into submission with having to do serious damage!...This is also the reason why officers like to "attack" in pairs because the shock value prevents them from having to use real brute force...believe me being taken down is a lot less painful than getting punched or hit with a club...a single officer going one on one will have to use more severe tactics that might not seem so bad simply because he's alone!

    2) This is absolute BS...you sign up for this job and cannot let what you see affect you professionally...when I'm Afghan or Iraq I can't say: "damn i took a bullet in the vest" or "i'm sick of seeying kids with their legs blown off" so lets just abuse any random person because i can't deal with it anymore...i signed up for the military voluntarily and cops sign up for service voluntarily...they don't like they should quit (and i didn't reinlist after a long time in the Army for various reasons but one was that i couldn't deal with it anymore and it was affecting my modus operandus)..they shouldn't allow it to affect their service in any way!!

    3) Again this is ridiculous...cops in NYC didn't go crazy after 9-11 and start whacking people any more often than they usually do, did they?... if they have been severely traumatized then they should be temporarily relieved from duty until they have recomposed themselves! Plus from my experience in NO, French Quarters...the cops there have always been a little off!!

    Not really sure what you disagree with here...if anything. Are you co-opting the tactic of making loud but incomprehensible noises at statements you feel like you SHOULD object to? I may be mistaken, but I think t70 has a patent on that...as he has kindly demonstrated here. Lets review, shall we?:

    2)They see things every week that most of us cannot comprehend...how people live, different levels of abuse, inhuman crimes committed by individuals who do not even realize they broke a law. Protecting the public is the highest calling that someone can aspire to, and the compensation in no way approaches the level of danger or the attrition to an individuals sanity. You are objecting to this...why? Do you disagree with it? You say it is B.S. May I ask what part of it is B.S.? Looks like a simple statement of some facts that you go on to confirm in your directionless 'counterpoint' .

    3)As for the officers in N.O., I agree 100% with T4887...remember, these are the ones who DIDN'T run away...and now have to arrest fellow residents who have also been traumatized. This is referring, rather obviously , to a post from t4887 about how these guys need some time off...or something. I think his post is right on the money and I don't think either one of us is excusing abuse. If you have been over there, you know better than anyone about making a judgement based on a film clip...and that there are scumbags in all walks of life. These guys may be exactly that...but this thread was sort of becoming a 'bash cops' thread so I was providing a little balance.

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    Re: N.O. Man beaten by police. Officers charged

    At the risk of drawing another stream of disjunctive reasoning from you, pwrone, this thread is being built and archived by a group of INTERNET/WWW-web-human-resources who are citizens of the US and OTHER {COUNTRY_SELECT} discussing a news-worthy 'event'
    that impacts us all in different ways in our own communities.

    Nobody is 'cop-bashing' here. We are sharing our knowledge of corruption, excessive use of force and the sources of it in LEAs in general and discussing possible ways for improving the quality of law enforcement in our own
    communities.

    Nobody other than you has posted any thing like 'most cops are good or bad'.
    It is just such illogical comparative superlatives that is your trademark in cognitive reasoning turned into a thread posting that is so disruptive and draws so much fire back at you.

    I would suggest again, that it if this type of argument [('FORM')] gives you whatever satisfaction you get from arguing in this passive-aggressive manner, that you join another domain where the members like to do it your way.

    Your postings insult the intelligence and dignity of the owner of this domain, his moderators and membership.

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