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    What is Faith?

    What is Faith?

    and why do people have it?

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    While i don't believe this, I know that someone is gonna say it, so i'm just gonna beat them to it....

    FAITH IS A SCAM


    Seriously though...i'm not really sure how to describe faith or why people have it!

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    Re: What is Faith?

    This is just an opinion, but it seems to be a logical explanation that does not rely upon religious or dogmatic ideals and principles.

    Faith is believing in an intangible without physical evidence.

    cheers,
    Paul

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    Interestingly simple and logical assertion, Paul.

    In the craft of fiction-writing, it is called building a suspension of disbelief in your reader in your plotting of the storyline and development of the characters.

    Extrapolate outward to writing for the stage and screen where there will be many more senses of your audience stimulated and it is understandable how important building that 'FAITH' becomes.

    Bring it all the way into the material world Real-time/Real-space really live or really die types of decisions people must make and the importance of 'FAITH' also becomes understandable.

    The trick is not in who tells the best 'STORY' but in choosing wisely as an INDEPENDANT INDIVIVIDUAL ENTITY and with discernment in what to ACCEPT OR REJECT in simple T vs. F, Y vs. N, GO vs. NO GO terms.

    In case this thread blossoms, here is the definition of FAITH:
    http://search.netzero.net/search?r=s...onary:%20FAITH (Take your pick, plenty of Web Results - Yahoo! Search - MSIE6x-NetZero1)

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    instead of "biting" into your question i choose to ask you........why do you have it!?or not!?or do you know you have it!?or not!? dont know what cha got until it's gone,..gone ....gone!!:eek: :D :rolleyes:

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    I dont know, iam trying to understand other peoples view on faith.

    I guess it has alot more meanings than one

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    Faith means you strongly believe something that may not be true at all. If a wife is faithful to her husband, she will not have affairs with other men, yet she can't be sure at all if her husband is having affairs with other women. She is just being kept back by 'faith'.

    Religious faith means you believe in mythological things like a huge flood or magical people creating bread and fish out of thin air and rising from the dead.

    Normally, when a kid says "I saw the toothfairy", you'd just think he lies. But if an adult tells you "Jesus fed an entire crowd of people with just a loaf of bread and he also walked on water", some people will believe it. In fact, some people will believe anything. You have absolutely no proof about it except a few verses from old scriptures. That means you have 'faith' in the fact that Jesus 'walked on water' non-metaphorically.

    And just because a text is old it doesn't make it valid. Many people say "well there is 1 historical document proving it and 0 disproving it (Jesus walking on water)". That's wrong, there are numerous historical scriptures since the emerging of christianity challenging these myths. Just because greeks thought a God is throwing lightnings down to earth because he's pissed off, it doesn't make it true. Lightning is today a very explainable phenomenon.

    -Lance

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    I think religious faith means believing that there is some kind of deity, divinity, god, even, in the world, even though we can't see a clear physical manifestation of it.

    I don't think it needs include literal belief in midrash (parables? myths?). And there are probably as many different concepts of god as there are of people who believe there is one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance
    Faith means you strongly believe something that may not be true at all. If a wife is faithful to her husband, she will not have affairs with other men, yet she can't be sure at all if her husband is having affairs with other women. She is just being kept back by 'faith'.

    Religious faith means you believe in mythological things like a huge flood or magical people creating bread and fish out of thin air and rising from the dead.

    Normally, when a kid says "I saw the toothfairy", you'd just think he lies. But if an adult tells you "Jesus fed an entire crowd of people with just a loaf of bread and he also walked on water", some people will believe it. In fact, some people will believe anything. You have absolutely no proof about it except a few verses from old scriptures. That means you have 'faith' in the fact that Jesus 'walked on water' non-metaphorically.

    And just because a text is old it doesn't make it valid. Many people say "well there is 1 historical document proving it and 0 disproving it (Jesus walking on water)". That's wrong, there are numerous historical scriptures since the emerging of christianity challenging these myths. Just because greeks thought a God is throwing lightnings down to earth because he's pissed off, it doesn't make it true. Lightning is today a very explainable phenomenon.

    -Lance
    Lance, it seems to cheapen people of faith by expressing your personal hypothesis in this way.

    Facts surrounding events that allegedly occurred thousands of years ago are surely going to be distorted at very least by inconsistancies of language in the translation and reprinting of documents as they travel through the ages. Hebrew and Christian Bible scholars are well aware of that and take great pain to prevent that.

    A 'Glatt Kosher' Torah scroll, for instance, is inscribed on parchment by hand and the work of the scribe is intensely scrutinized for errors by a rabbinic council before it is accepted and put into circulation. Any found with errors will be burned.

    On the other hand, the biblical account of the miracles the Lord God
    JHVH performed through Moses state very specific numbers of eyewitness/survivors of the plagues, escape from Egypt and the revelation of the Law at Sinai. Those accounts have been faithfully retold generation after generation in the oral tradition of not only the Hebrew-Israelites, but also the mythos of people of other nations of tribes that were also liberated
    from the deterioting Egyptian empire by JHVH, Moses and Aaron and then scattered back to their homelands after Sinai.

    If one approaches ancient scripture and myth fragments from a sort of
    Sci-Fi/Fantasy based-on-fact perspective and the understanding that many of the stories are intentionally allegorical, common threads will emerge that seem to indicate that this planet was built and populated by space-travelling humanoid and other non-humanoid space-travelling colonists that are violently competing with each other for possession of this outpost world on the edge of our galaxy.

    The 'Star Wars' that were fought between these opposing forces seem to relate to some of the accounts of supernatural events and catastrophes that have occurred on Earth through the course of time.

    The most vivid samples of this in the Old Testament will be found not only in the Exodus story, but also in the Flood, destruction of the Tower of Babel, Sodom and Gomorrah, the ascension of the prophet Elijah and the first chapters of the book of the prophet Ezekiel.

    There are very clear parallels between JHVH (Father Sky) and his 'Sabbath Queen', SHECHINAH (Mother Earth) and their minions to the pantheons described in Greco-Roman, Celtic-Druidic, Nordic, Hindu, and other Asian/Oceanian/North/Central/South American indigenous people's mythos when it is flavored with a little bit of the salty skepticism and vivid imagination a seasoned Sci-Fi/Fantasy reader of this era possesses.

    I strongly believe that is an error to conclude that just because we cannot explain scientifically phenomena involving telekinesis, telepathy and transmogrification of matter by applied energy of thought that these phenomena cannot occur.

    It is supremely arrogant for humans to assume that they are at the pinnacle of intelligent life in this vast multiverse and that more highly evolved forms of life do not exist that are capable of performing work by merely thinking and willing it to be done is impossible without possibility for exception.
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    simple question gets simple answer.god is faith and people have it cause he made them.what do i know! :eek: :p :rolleyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefandozier
    I dont know, iam trying to understand other peoples view on faith.

    I guess it has alot more meanings than one
    view on faith!?hhmmmmmm.so there is(!?) faith,and people have many different views "on" it.and does this indicate that "faith" has many meanings!?to me it can only have 1 meaning.that would be "on" faith.all other views would be "about" it(opinions).but of course,we live in a non black&white universe so "degrees" are allowed.......most of the time....... :eek: :p :D

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    haha good point.

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    Faith believes in what cannot be seen. Faith knows something is and something will be, and then sees it manifest so that it becomes the substance of faith.

    Faith is NOT a scam.

    However, "seed faith gifts" where the preacher tells you to send money to him and God will multiply it back to you IS a scam. Word of faith is a scam because the preachers promoting that doctrine use faith to manipulate people (and try to manipulate God) into giving them cadillacs and fancy mansions. The only reason televangelists are rich is NOT because they have faith, but because they abuse other peoples faith and brainwash them with cult like tactics to make them send money. Then people are deceived and place their faith in a man rather than in God, they get scammed out of cash and the preacher man gets rich!

    Faith itself is not a scam.
    Abuse of faith is a scam.


    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    For by it the elders obtained a good report.

    Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

    By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

    By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

    But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

    Hebrews 11:1 - 6

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    Re: What is Faith?

    Faith is simply a more colorful termonolgy for Belief,,
    Faith is belief in God in its purest sence,And Without faith in God your life is an empty void of nothin in my oppinion
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    so if one has this faith in god,how does one "behave"!?(be-and-have)is behavior an "indicator" of faith!?and is the devil the tester(preventer) of it's expression!?so if the bibble states the devil has been given the "things" of this world to give to whom it pleases him,what does this say about life!?(be-and-have).and if men are born to sin,it's a long way ta tiparary if ya ask me!!so i take the shortcut!!howabout you'all!! :eek: :p :rolleyes:

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    Re: What is Faith?

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
    This is just an opinion, but it seems to be a logical explanation that does not rely upon religious or dogmatic ideals and principles.

    Faith is believing in an intangible without physical evidence.

    cheers,
    Paul
    By whose definition?

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