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    The Real Pat Tillman

    From the October 24 issue of The Nation:

    Pat Tillman, Our Hero
    by DAVE ZIRIN

    "I don't believe it," seethed Ann Coulter.

    Her contempt was directed at a September 25 San Francisco Chronicle story reporting that former NFL star and Army Ranger war hero Pat Tillman, who was killed in Afghanistan last year, believed the US war on Iraq was "****ing illegal" and counted Noam Chomsky among his favorite authors. It must have been quite a moment for Coulter, who upon Tillman's death described him in her inimitably creepy fashion as "an American original--virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be." She tried to discredit the story as San Francisco agitprop, but this approach ran into a slight problem: The article's source was Pat Tillman's mother, Mary.

    Mary and the Tillman family are relentlessly pushing for answers to the questions surrounding Pat's death in Afghanistan. They want to know why it took the Pentagon five weeks to tell them he died in a tragic case of friendly fire. They want to know why they were unwitting props at Pat's funeral, weeping while lies were told by eulogizing politicians. Mary is now hoping that a new Pentagon inquiry will bring closure. "There have been so many discrepancies so far that it's hard to know what to believe," she said to the Chronicle. "There are too many murky details."

    The very private Tillmans have revealed a picture of Pat profoundly at odds with the GI Joe image created by Pentagon spinmeisters and their media stenographers. As the Chronicle put it, family and friends are now unveiling "a side of Pat Tillman not widely known--a fiercely independent thinker who enlisted, fought and died in service to his country yet was critical of President Bush and opposed the war in Iraq, where he served a tour of duty. He was an avid reader whose interests ranged from history books...to works of leftist Noam Chomsky, a favorite author." Tillman had very unembedded feelings about the Iraq War. His close friend Army Spec. Russell Baer remembered, "I can see it like a movie screen. We were outside of [an Iraqi city] watching as bombs were dropping on the town.... We were talking. And Pat said, 'You know, this war is so ****ing illegal.' And we all said, 'Yeah.' That's who he was. He totally was against Bush." With these revelations, Pat Tillman the PR icon joins WMD and Al Qaeda connections on the heap of lies used to sell the Iraq War.

    Tillman's transition from one-dimensional caricature to critically thinking human being is a long time coming. The fact is that in death he was far more useful to the armchair warriors than he had ever been in life. When the Pro Bowler joined the Army Rangers, the Pentagon brass needed a loofah to wipe their drool: He was white, handsome and played in the NFL. For a chicken-hawk Administration led by a President who loves the affectations of machismo but runs from protesting military moms, this testosterone cocktail was impossible to resist. The problem was that Tillman wouldn't play their game. To the Pentagon's chagrin, he turned down numerous offers to be its recruitment poster child.

    But when Tillman fell in Afghanistan the wheels once again started to turn. Now the narrative was perfect: "War hero and football star dies fighting terror." The Abu Ghraib scandal was about to hit the press, so the President found it especially useful to praise Tillman as "an inspiration on and off the football field, as with all who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war on terror." His funeral was nationally televised. Bush even went back to the bloody well during the presidential campaign, addressing his team's fans on the Arizona Cardinals' stadium Jumbotron.

    We now know, of course, that this was all a brutal charade. Such callous manipulation is fueling the Tillman family's anger. As Mary Tillman said this past May, "They could have told us up front that they were suspicious that [his death] was a fratricide, but they didn't. They wanted to use him for their purposes.... They needed something that looked good, and it was appalling that they would use him like that." A growing number of military families, similarly angered, are criticizing the war in Iraq through organizations like Military Families Speak Out.

    As for Chomsky, whom Ann Coulter would undoubtedly label "treasonous," Mary Tillman says a private meeting was planned between him and Pat after Pat's return--a meeting that never took place, of course. Chomsky confirms this scenario. This was the real Pat Tillman: someone who, like the majority of this country, was doubting the rationale for war, distrusting his Commander in Chief and looking for answers. The real Pat Tillman, the one with three dimensions, must stick in the throat of the Bush-Coulter gang, a pit in the cherry atop their bloody sundae.


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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Many of us who served in Afghanistan did believe that the Iraq was/is illegal. Since some of us were moved from the conflict in Afghanistan to Iraq were saddened to have to engage in a combat situation we felt did not serve the best interest of Americans..which is why most of us join the Military...our consolation was that our individual presence would hopefully help ensure the safety of our brothers in arms.
    Which is another reason why my future involved in the War on Terror, with a private contractor, will be limited to Afghanistan.

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    None of you thought the presense in Afghanistan is illegal too?

    Were you drunk with success and the lack of a heavy insurgency resisting the presence of our troops?

    Why are we in Afghanistan? Because Al Qaida flew airplanes into the Pentagon and WTC Towers from a Afghani headquarters? (Conventional Wisdom == CW)

    Radical View (RV): Well-documented allegations exist that Al Qaida is a construct of the CIA in partnership with the Bush Family Carlyle Group (ECHELON @ NSA.GOV). Those terrorist attacks were carefully planned and stage for the purpose of "galvanizing popular support" for invasion of Afghanistan, followed by Iraq and Iran.

    WHY? : Control of STRATEGIC MINERAL DEPOSITS (Metals, Crystals); STRATEGIC AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS (Cannabis, Opium); CONTROL OF LABOR POOL (prisoners, wage-slaves)

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    While the invasion of Afghanistan might not have been legal per-say there was good reason to go in there and take care of AQ/UBL, after all UBL resided in Afghanistan not Iraq...unfortunatly we never really committed to finding UBL coz Bush was more interested in Iraq. Considering the Taliban's official alliance with AQ, i feel, we were more than justified to consider them a hostile governmet. After all, while other governments in the region might be AQ sympathisers, a large part of AQ's logistical network and training grounds were in Afghan...so not a bad idea to hit them there... but going into Iraq in my opinion was like trying to solve a murder by going after a car thief in a different city...doesn't make too much sense does it...i'm slightly off today

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Quote Originally Posted by mroels
    While the invasion of Afghanistan might not have been legal per-say there was good reason to go in there and take care of AQ/UBL, after all UBL resided in Afghanistan not Iraq...unfortunatly we never really committed to finding UBL coz Bush was more interested in Iraq. Considering the Taliban's official alliance with AQ, i feel, we were more than justified to consider them a hostile governmet. After all, while other governments in the region might be AQ sympathisers, a large part of AQ's logistical network and training grounds were in Afghan...so not a bad idea to hit them there... but going into Iraq in my opinion was like trying to solve a murder by going after a car thief in a different city...doesn't make too much sense does it...i'm slightly off today
    That is..if you believe there really IS an Osama Bin Laden

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Quote Originally Posted by dchristie
    That is..if you believe there really IS an Osama Bin Laden
    Do you mean...does he exist...or did he exist???

    Obviously he did exist...he's been trained by us and we didn't train someone who never existed

    does he still exist aka is he still alive?...i don't know...personally i think the pakis might be holding him and will give him up when they want something from the US

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    You said it yourself, mroels, "he was trained by us" and you were trained to refer to him in a cryptic military shorthand "AQ/UBL".

    Does your nose work or have skeleton(s) in Bush family closet(s) been picked so clean they don't stink any more?

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho70x
    You said it yourself, mroels, "he was trained by us" and you were trained to refer to him in a cryptic military shorthand "AQ/UBL".

    Does your nose work or have skeleton(s) in Bush family closet(s) been picked so clean they don't stink any more?
    don't see how this has any bearing on whether or not Osama ever really existed!! pls elaborate?!!

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Many seasoned veterans of 'Dirty Bush Wars' waged on American soil believe that rogue elements of the government have been, since the JFK assassination empowered the National Socialist JUNTA led by George ('poppy') Bush and the Carlyle Group (Strategic Partner "CIA"="The Company"#NAME?), planning and executing the majority of high-profile assassinations, terrorist attacks and mass public disturbances straight along, using contract agents recruited from criminal elements of the world society.

    That the Bush family and Bin Laden family along with the Saudi royal family have been trading partners for many years and have a social relationship also is a matter of public knowledge.

    That Osama was trained by the CIA is also a matter of public record.

    Ask yourself if it is possible that Osama didn't 'turn' on his trainers but is actually carrying out their secret orders.

    Are you familiar with the strategies and tactics of 'Ultra-Low Intensity Infra-national Conflict'?

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho70x
    Many seasoned veterans of 'Dirty Bush Wars' waged on American soil believe that rogue elements of the government have been, since the JFK assassination empowered the National Socialist JUNTA led by George ('poppy') Bush and the Carlyle Group (Strategic Partner "CIA"="The Company"#NAME?), planning and executing the majority of high-profile assassinations, terrorist attacks and mass public disturbances straight along, using contract agents recruited from criminal elements of the world society.

    That the Bush family and Bin Laden family along with the Saudi royal family have been trading partners for many years and have a social relationship also is a matter of public knowledge.

    That Osama was trained by the CIA is also a matter of public record.

    Ask yourself if it is possible that Osama didn't 'turn' on his trainers but is actually carrying out their secret orders.

    Are you familiar with the strategies and tactics of 'Ultra-Low Intensity Infra-national Conflict'?

    START DATE/TIME: 11/22/1963, 12:45pm-06:00 UCT (DALLAS.TX.US/JFK.ORGpX#0035)

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    Unless you are saying that by him carrying out "secret orders" he does really exists this is a valid point, otherwise it still has no bearing on whether or not he really exists!!!

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Quote Originally Posted by mroels
    Unless you are saying that by him carrying out "secret orders" he does really exists this is a valid point, otherwise it still has no bearing on whether or not he really exists!!!
    Unless all those pictures and videos of him are an elaborate sham, I should say that he existed at one time and the question is whether or not he still exists.

    Supposedly he was pretty sick in the body as well as mind and could have croaked at any time. Many fringe journalists have suggested that he is really dead and that the announcement has been withheld as a part of the overall PSY-OPS of the Anti-terrorism war effort.

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho70x
    1)Unless all those pictures and videos of him are an elaborate sham, I should say that he existed at one time and the question is whether or not he still exists.

    2)Supposedly he was pretty sick in the body as well as mind and could have croaked at any time. Many fringe journalists have suggested that he is really dead and that the announcement has been withheld as a part of the overall PSY-OPS of the Anti-terrorism war effort.

    1)Now that clarifies your point to a level that a simpletons like myself can understand...and you're completely right the question shoiuld be about whether or not he still exists.

    2) yeah i always wondered why we can't find a 6"2' Arab who requires dialysis in a region where you can't easily get such treament....like i said earlier i think the Pakis(i hope smashingplates doesn't see me say Pakis) have got them...they'll probably give him up to us when we make some outrageous demand and they don't wnat to do it....just look at what happened when the UN security council was gonna vote on Iraq...Pakistan (temporary member at the time) had to vote but declined because Musharraf probably would've pissed off his whole nation if he'd voted pro-war and pissed off the US if he voted against war....funny thing is that they caught AQ's #2 that weekend in Islamabad and didn't have to vote anymore

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Quote Originally Posted by tommywho70x
    Does your nose work or have skeleton(s) in Bush family closet(s) been picked so clean they don't stink any more?
    "If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance." - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

    I think Bush has been pretty successful at doing this!!

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    Re: The Real Pat Tillman

    Ah yes, if all else fails, look for a good old GBS CITE:1;)


    What you allege is probably true, but he'll never hold a 'Candle In The Rain' to Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead or the Mexican Brujos and Brujas for teaching skeletons to dance!
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