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    Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?


    We all know the reality of employment scams and identity theft scams. In China it has almost become a national hobby. But when you put the two together and a well-known expat forum is the public platform, a lot of people are trusting that expat forum to keep out the scam artists. But according to the investigators from the China Scam Patrol and a former CTA snoop (China Teachers Alliance), Echinacities.com may be part of the scam, and at the very least, violating China's privacy laws. Here are the links

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...8175505AAFw9As

    as well as

    http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-o...cooperate.html

    It is not unusual in China for resumes to be peddled and sold like any other useful commodity, but it is 100% illegal to do so. Still, the law does not get in the way of this profitable business. And Echinacities generates more ads and resumes than any other source in China as the largest expat portal. The company is based in Haidian District near the National Library and is owned by a Chinese CCP member named George Xu. His full Chinese name is never divulged anywhere. Although the company once employed over a dozen foreigners on its staff, they are now down to just three.

    Echinacities.com basically posts hundreds of job ads every week in China, and according to a former Moderator who left ECC believes most of these ads to be self-generated by ECC staffers and known scam artists just to generate a high volume of resumes. Whether applicants actually get a job placement or not is not important if the resumes can be sold for $100 each to over 300 Chinese recruiters who thrive in the $38 Billion education industry of China (Source: South China Morning Post).

    Whether ECC knows that some of their buyers are identity thieves really does not matter much to victims. The damage is costly and indiscriminate. According to this 2012 Salon article, 1 in every 5 foreign teachers will be targeted for identity theft and Echinacities.com makes the fraud easier for the perpetrators to pull off: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_bus...pats_monthly_1

    An ECC user (Tarzan) pointed out the vulnerability of ECC policy's of posting resumes and images online and asked for an explanation two months ago. See: http://answers.echinacities.com/node/218470 I quote as follows:

    "How can I apply for a job advertised here at ECC WITHOUT posting my resume and photo online?
    I don't want my current employer to see me looking for a new job and I do not see any option to apply for an advertised job here at ECC that lets us apply WITHOUT posting our resume and photo online. Identity thieves probably love this web site!"


    The moderator and admin simply ignored the question. At this point I must assume that there is at the very least passive complicity of ECC who I estimate is probably earning about $30,000 a month selling resumes, and selling ad space to known fraudsters like China ESL, Hellen Group of Hangzhou, and other scams that have been blacklisted for years.

    Of course resumes alone are not going to allow an ID thief access to your bank accounts. But within a week or two they will be asking for the standard "passport scans" and "taxpayer ID number" (they never say "we want your social security number" - way too obvious.) Some will even ask you to send real photographs of yourself (instead of electronic scans) and scans of your diplomas and DD214 and other documents.

    When one reads the comments of the former ECC moderator, it is obvious that ethics is not a priority at Echinacities.com See: http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18...ganda-machine/

    I would urge people wanting to work in China to avoid echinacites.com like the plague. There are safer ways for you to find work in China by contacting the HR departments of companies directly.
    Last edited by Curious Carol; 09-26-2014 at 11:58 PM.

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    I used to be a user at Echinacities.com two years ago and they run the "Answers" forum section like the Nazi Gestapo. Try to criticize their policies or point out that some of their advertisers are scams or even convicted of bribery or fraud as some guy tried to do and three things happen immediately: 1) The use gets banned, 2)The thread gets locked or deleted, and 3)The ECC staff attack the poster using their many fake user IDs that "Traveler" mentions in detail at his China Daily Mail blog. (FYI- Traveler was a long time ECC moderator who resigned and exposed the forum as a sham) If you think about it, all of those China expat forums are businesses that need to make money and sometimes the truth just gets in the way.
    Trust only your birth mother!

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    UPDATE: Here is the updated China Scam Patrol report so yu can draw your own conclusions: http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com

    And this "confidential" communication from one of many ECC users ("Zip") that were banned trying to expose ECC for more than two years proved beyond reasonable doubts that the management of ECC was well aware of the scam ads they were running on their web site: http://chinadailymail.files.wordpres...-email-zip.pdf

    Remember that at this time (March of 2013) "Traveler" still had not resigned from ECC and was one of the many paid shills working for the owner. Zip thought he was just alerting one of many ECC users with a PM! Traveler later exposed the entire fraud in the articles he wrote at ChinaDailyMail.com. But too late for all these users that were banned simply for trying to alert fellow expats:

    Grumpy
    Slinky
    Pegasus
    Techtronix
    Cricket
    Zip
    Tarzan
    Notime2lose
    Almost

    Go to the ECC site and you will find SOME of the comments from these users. Those that mentioned or questions the scam ads were deleted.

    To be fair to ECC, they are not the only expat website that takes paid ads from crooked companies/recruiters/schools/agencies that scam their own patrons...

    http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/20...xpat-web-sites
    Last edited by Curious Carol; 10-09-2014 at 02:59 AM.

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    Just because other expat forums also accept money for scam ads does not make it okay! And if you read the entire China Scam Patrol report there is just no ing way that the owner was not part of the resumes sales.

    by the way, this is the very same Echinacities.com that was caught last year accepting paid ads from African poachers who were selling rhino horns, bear parts, tiger penis, and elephant ivory. The ECC ads were allowed to remain until a storm of protests from animal rights activists finally forced them to remove the ads. See http://annamiticus.com/2013/07/06/ch...orn-bear-bile/

    Only a fine and honorable Chinese business man like George Xu would cooperate with poachers and help identity thieves and swindle foreign teachers as well right?
    :zx11pissed:

    Last edited by Cyber Snoop; 10-09-2014 at 09:13 AM.

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    I see at eslwatch.info they have linked Echinacities resume sales to another George Xu company named Sinocities.com. I think this George Xu guy should be thoroughly investigated along with his manager "Elizabeth" that is mentioned at another scam site.
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    George Xu of Beijing & Toronto Professional Scam Artist?

    Well this scam investigation was expanded by China Scam Patrol to Sinocities.com and all the companies below in which George Xu is affiliated:

    http://www.globalsmes.org

    http://www.sictec.com

    Here's an interesting link found right on their own website!

    http://answers.echinacities.com/ques...-echinacities?

    http://globalnews.ca/news/303599/chi...gling-secrets/

    Also being investigated is Wendy Xiong who runs his Toronto operations as per

    Wendy Xiong | SICTEC Group Inc | ZoomInfo.com
    www.zoominfo.com/p/Wendy-Xiong/1234539159
    Wendy Xiong Project Coordinator Sino-Canada Technology Exchange Center Tel: 905.943.7571 Fax:905.943.7573 201-7050 Woodbine Ave. Markham

    Suggest you guys keep current via http://www.chinascampatrol.wordpress.com

    So far George Xu's full Chinese name is a top secret. He may have have been the same Xu arrested in Canada for smuggling a few years ago, but until he provides his full name, we will never know for sure.

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    Update from a New World ESL Scam Sting Victim China Foreign Teacher...


    UPDATE...

    I looks like Echinacities.com is either cooperating with the police or part of the New World ESL sting scam and collecting resumes in the process??? I suspect they may be selling the good resumes (qualified teachers) off to the recruiters, and giving the unqualified resumes to the cops for their ongoing sting that you can read about in this other thread. http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=635700 I just now received an email from a girl who just returned to California after being set up in this sting that cost her job, 10 days of freedom, a $2,000 fine, and a handful of humiliation. Although she is clearly pissed off as you can see, she fails to admit she was wrong and deserved to be deported. The Chinese probably learned how to entrap people in sting operations from watching American TV programs! Here's what she wrote...

    "Dear Carol,

    Please get the word out to all the ESL teachers in China. New World ESL is a fake school - created by the Chinese government to trick foreign teachers to come in for interviews so they can be screened for visa compliance and false documents. Really sneaky bastards use real recruiters to help them including Maggie Liu who advertises at EChinacities.com. Here is a summary of what happened;

    1. I saw a great job ad posted at Echinacities.com for 20,000 yuan with "famous international school"

    2. I answered the ad and got contacted by recruiter Maggie Liu Tel: # 18633014541

    3. We met at Pacific Coffee shop in Chaoayang and she took my resume and photos of my passport

    4. She said I needed a TEFL certificate and Z visa to get the job - I did not have either.

    5. She said her friend Mr. Wang would sell me both for $1,500 and I agreed

    6. She sent to see Mr. Wang in a office buikding joined to the Poly Theater

    7. Wang asked for the money and my passport and told me to pick up the documents from Maggie in 3 days - I agreed.

    8. Less than 20 meters after I exited the building I was arrested by 3 police for visa fraud

    9. I spent 10 days in a jail in Champing and saw about 20 other foreigner there- busted for the same thing.

    10. They told me they would not prosecute me and let me go home if I agreed to cooperate or else stay in jail until trial in about 3 months.

    11. Easy decision - I cooperated.

    12. I told them I got my M visa from Buckland Education, and my F visa from David Valley

    13. They then made me do a promotional video for New World ESL and a school called Global Friendship ESL about how I worked there for three years and the staff was friendly and honest - blah-blah-blah. (I never worked for either place!)

    14. To leave I had to pay a $2,000 fine and write a letter of apology for breaking Chinese laws.

    15. When I was released I was taken to my apartment by a lady cop who gave me six hours to pack all my stuff and she kept my cell phone so I could not call anyone

    16. She then took me to the airport in Shunyi and made me by a ticket on the next flight for LA and it was damn expensive. The flight was in 2 hours and the

    whole time this bitch lectured me about how stupid, arrogant, and disrespectful I was for breaking their laws and how I should be ashamed of myself. When it was time to board the plane I asked for my mobile phone back and she said it would be mailed to me!

    To all my friends at Wall Street English and Beth, I apologize for my absence but they would not let me call anyone. Please email me and tell Roger they took and kept my keys and left authorization for him to pick them up but he has to bring his passport to the PSB office near Llama Temple. Everyone please email me your phone numbers in case the bastards don't return my phone."


    ON ANOTHER ECHINACITIES.COM MATTER...

    What a wonderful day in the neighborhood! The recruiters posing as teachers at Echinacities.com have come out to attack and smear me. See here the ongoing problems with masquerading China job agents and recruiters...

    http://www.eslwatch.info/china-2/sca...fl-forums.html

    http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/20...s-expat-forums

    http://www.eslbase.com/forum/viewtopic/t-3125

    http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6523

    Fortunately one of their former moderators (Craig Hill) got fed up of the deceit and not only resigned, but exposed them at the China Daily Mail at this link:

    http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18...ganda-machine/ Here is an excerpt:

    "Of course, most of the “expats” on the site are not genuine any more, a tactic George has admitted to. The overriding principle is to give the false impression to China newcomers that the site is genuine, and that the ads and “advice” given by the likes of Hulk and others will help them. In this way, George and eChinacities can continue to entrap newly arrived expats. George Xu continues to make his money out of advertising for illegal schools and recruiters, as well as receiving kickbacks from the government for entrapment by Hulk, Icnif and others on the site."

    And this is something one of you sent me. Thanks. It proves my point about Echinacities.com.

    http://ChinaScamWatch.wordpress.com

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...1205150AAXlCQJ

    BTW... they are not all Chinese as many people assume. Almost half of the wolves in sheep's wool are now fellow-foreigners. The money is to easy and hard to resist. It almost like turning a 10 year old boy lose in the Hershey chocolate factory.

    For other updates see http://eslwatch.info and I am wondering why the CFTU is staying so quiet about this. CFTU!!!!! Are you awake? No Comment?

    Last edited by Curious Carol; 11-13-2014 at 01:17 AM.

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?


    Here is exactly WHY you do not want to send nor upload your resume to Echinacities.com nor their sister company Sinocities.com

    http://www.translator-scammers.com/

    Thanks to China Scam Patrol for the update. Get their full report at http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    If you Google "China teacher job resume scam" you will see that ECC is still at it but they are using their sister company Sinocities.com to be the cut-out front for them.

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    I just found this interesting tid bit. These guys have zero ethics and even less honor. The should all be jailed for at least five years IMO. Everything their former moderator Craig "Traveler" says about them here at this link appears to be true

    http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18...ganda-machine/
    Last edited by Cyber Snoop; 03-19-2015 at 07:28 PM.

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    Man these ers have balls the size of grapefruits! If I caught someone selling my resume to identity thieves I wouldn't waste my money on a lawyer or my time with the cops! Does anyone have a photo of this Xu character? Post it up here so we can name and shame the S.O.B!

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    Holy Fuck Batman! These sly devils will never see a resume from me - that's for sure.

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    Wow....these ers are slick.

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Carol View Post

    We all know the reality of employment scams and identity theft scams. In China it has almost become a national hobby. But when you put the two together and a well-known expat forum is the public platform, a lot of people are trusting that expat forum to keep out the scam artists. But according to the investigators from the China Scam Patrol and a former CTA snoop (China Teachers Alliance), Echinacities.com may be part of the scam, and at the very least, violating China's privacy laws. Here are the links

    https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...8175505AAFw9As

    as well as

    http://eslwatch.info/china-2/scams-o...cooperate.html

    It is not unusual in China for resumes to be peddled and sold like any other useful commodity, but it is 100% illegal to do so. Still, the law does not get in the way of this profitable business. And Echinacities generates more ads and resumes than any other source in China as the largest expat portal. The company is based in Haidian District near the National Library and is owned by a Chinese CCP member named George Xu. His full Chinese name is never divulged anywhere. Although the company once employed over a dozen foreigners on its staff, they are now down to just three.

    Echinacities.com basically posts hundreds of job ads every week in China, and according to a former Moderator who left ECC believes most of these ads to be self-generated by ECC staffers and known scam artists just to generate a high volume of resumes. Whether applicants actually get a job placement or not is not important if the resumes can be sold for $100 each to over 300 Chinese recruiters who thrive in the $38 Billion education industry of China (Source: South China Morning Post).

    Whether ECC knows that some of their buyers are identity thieves really does not matter much to victims. The damage is costly and indiscriminate. According to this 2012 Salon article, 1 in every 5 foreign teachers will be targeted for identity theft and Echinacities.com makes the fraud easier for the perpetrators to pull off: http://open.salon.com/blog/china_bus...pats_monthly_1

    An ECC user (Tarzan) pointed out the vulnerability of ECC policy's of posting resumes and images online and asked for an explanation two months ago. See: http://answers.echinacities.com/node/218470 I quote as follows:

    "How can I apply for a job advertised here at ECC WITHOUT posting my resume and photo online?
    I don't want my current employer to see me looking for a new job and I do not see any option to apply for an advertised job here at ECC that lets us apply WITHOUT posting our resume and photo online. Identity thieves probably love this web site!"


    The moderator and admin simply ignored the question. At this point I must assume that there is at the very least passive complicity of ECC who I estimate is probably earning about $30,000 a month selling resumes, and selling ad space to known fraudsters like China ESL, Hellen Group of Hangzhou, and other scams that have been blacklisted for years.

    Of course resumes alone are not going to allow an ID thief access to your bank accounts. But within a week or two they will be asking for the standard "passport scans" and "taxpayer ID number" (they never say "we want your social security number" - way too obvious.) Some will even ask you to send real photographs of yourself (instead of electronic scans) and scans of your diplomas and DD214 and other documents.

    When one reads the comments of the former ECC moderator, it is obvious that ethics is not a priority at Echinacities.com See: http://chinadailymail.com/2013/12/18...ganda-machine/

    I would urge people wanting to work in China to avoid echinacites.com like the plague. There are safer ways for you to find work in China by contacting the HR departments of companies directly.
    I cannot think of a sneakier way to collect information on someone than by offering them a great job that they will never get! This is a brilliant scheme if you think about it. http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    I have never seen a more devious way to steal someone's identity. These guys are making millions for sure. This link needs to be passed along as soon as possible t everyone we know. http://chinascamwatch.wordpress.com
    Deduction my ass... I need proof!

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    Re: Echinacities.com Classified China Foreign Teacher Job Ads A Clever Scam?

    Fraudster George Xu also has his other sister web site doing the same thing according to two other scam reporting sites. The other China website George operates is Sinocities.com. See http://chinascamwatch.org and http://chinascampatrol.wordpress for current info (they update regularly).

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