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    Proof of the Existence of Jesus' Family

    Yeah, there is proof. More than just this article.

    Surprising Archaeological Find: Proof of Jesus' Existence?

    Article by Mario Seiglie

    Have scholars found firm evidence of the existence of Jesus Christ, His earthly father and ne of His half brothers? An intriguing find bears their names.

    First it was the name of the Roman governor Pontius Pilate found in a monument in Caesarea, srael, in 1961.

    Then came the discovery in 1990 in Jerusalem of an ossuary, a burial box for bones, bearing the name of Caiaphas, the high priest who condemned Jesus. Just recently it appears the most pectacular of all archaeological finds relating to Jesus has surfaced.

    Another ossuary has come to light, this one bearing the names of Jesus, James and Joseph, three of he most prominent people in the New Testament. The ancient Aramaic words inscribedon the limestone box state that it belonged to "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus."

    In late October Andre' Lemaire, a specialist in ancient inscriptions and professor at the Sorbonne in Paris, announced the discovery of the stone container with the extraordinary script. An Israeli ollector, Oded Golan, had purchased the box from an Arab antiquities dealer more than a decade go. Mr. Golan had not thought the artifact important until Professor Lemaire examined it. In fact, lthough Mr. Golan had read the inscription, he hadn't connected it with the biblical Jesus.

    The dealer told Mr. Golan that the box had come from a burial site in southern Jerusalem where a bulldozer had accidentally uncovered a site containing tombs and bone boxes dating to the time of esus and James.

    Much to the disappointment of archaeologists and scholars, the box was not excavated by a trained rchaeologist from the spot where it had rested for the last 2,000 years. Instead it was urreptitiously removed and sold on the antiquities market (as is the case with a high percentage of rchaeological finds in the Holy Land). Regrettably, this prevents the examination of the box in its proper archaeological context and the eliminationof any possibility of fraud.

    Strong evidence for authenticity et fraud seems rather unlikely. Before the announcement of the discovery, the limestone box was ubjected to rigorous scientific tests to rule out the possibility. A team of experts from the eological Survey of Israel examined the box and the inscription under a microscope and found no vidence of modern tools or tampering. Like the rest of the box, the inscription, though wiped clean in parts, has a thin sheen of particulate matter formed on it called a patina. This particular patina hows that it developed in a cave environment and that it is consistent with an age of 2,000 years.

    By its very nature the artifact can be dated to within a few decades. Such bone boxes were in use rom about 20 B.C. to A.D. 70, when according to Jewish custom the dead were first sealed in caves r rock-cut tombs, then their bones latertransferredto a limestonebonebox afterthebodyhad ecayed.

    Professor Lemaire further narrowed the dating by verifying that the inscription was in a cursive style used only in the few decades before A.D. 70, when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans. Thus he inscription fits the style used around A.D. 62, when James, Jesus' half brother, died.

    Hershel Shanks, editor of Biblical ArchaeologyReview , which announced the discovery, explained hat the inscription was reviewed by Joseph Fitzmyer, one of the world's foremost experts on first-entury Aramaic and a preeminent Dead Sea Scrolls editor. Professor Fitzmyer was at first troubled by the spelling of the word for brother, because it was a plural form used centuries later. But further research yielded the same form in one of the Dead Sea Scrolls and on another first-century ossuary. I stand corrected," Professor Fitzmyer said.

    putative forger would have to know Aramaic better than Professor Fitzmyer, which seems rather unlikely. "To my mind," wrote Mr. Shanks,"this is one of the strongest arguments for the authenticity f the James inscription" ( Biblical ArchaeologyReview , November-December 2002, p. 33).

    Many factors pointing in one direction It seems very probable," Professor Lemaire concludes, "that this is the ossuary of the James in the New Testament" (ibid.).

    hat makes the case that this is indeed the ossuary of Jesus' half brother so convincing is the ombination of factors that point in the same direction. Dr. Lemaire notes that Joseph (Hebrew Yosef ) and Jesus ( Yeshua , or Joshua) were common names in the A.D. 60s and James (Ya'akov or acob) less so, but a brother would not ordinarily be named in an inscription unless he were prominent.

    Dr. Lemaire says the likelihood of more than one person named James with a father named Joseph nd a prominent brother named Jesus in that precise time period is minuscule.

    It is one thing to have scattered probabilities,"explainsJohn Meier,professorof New Testament at he Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C., and an authority on first-century Palestinian udaism; "it's another thing to have lines of probabilities all converging at one point" (UPI report, ct. 25).

    Mr. Shanks stated that the "clincher" for him was the naming of the brother of the deceased. Of ome 800 bone boxes discovered, 233 have inscriptions on the outside. Of these, few are inscribed ith the name of a brother—only one other in Aramaic. Mr. Shanks said if one accepts the theory hat the deceased was a prominent person associated with him—rather than simply associated because the brother presided over the secondary interment—the probability that the inscription refers to Jesus of Nazareth seems overwhelming.

    he life of James ho was James? Let's consider the intriguing story of this half brother of Jesus.

    e first read of James in the New Testament as one of Jesus' half brothers (Jesus was born of Mary, miraculously begotten of God the Father through the Holy Spirit while Mary was a betrothed virgin, s explained in Matthew:1:18-25). Yet Mary and her husband, Joseph, later had other children. In Matthew:13:55-56 we see that some residents of Nazareth asked: "Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James , Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are hey not all with us?" (emphasis added throughout).

    During Jesus' life, the Bible candidly reveals that His half brothers did not believe in Him as Savior nd Messiah (John:7:5). Yet, after His resurrection, Jesus appeared to His half brother James (1 orinthians:15:7), who then became a prominent believer. In Acts:1:14 James is pictured, along with his other brothers and his mother,Mary, as original members of the Church. This was the same roup that received God's Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts:2:1-4).

    ames later became an apostle and leader of the Jerusalem congregation. He played a prominent role in the conference of Acts 15 (see verses 13-21). Paul later visited James in Jerusalem where he versaw the elders there (Acts:21:18). In Galatians:2:9 Paul refers to James as a "pillar" of theChurch, nd in 1 Corinthians:9:5 he mentions that "the brothers of the Lord" were married, which apparently included James. (More of James' life is detailed in "James: Half Brother of Jesus," beginning on page 2.)

    ames also wrote the New Testament epistlethatbearshisname(James:1:1). Another brother, Judas r Judah (Matthew:13:55), wrote the short epistleof Jude(Jude1).

    he death of James he death of James, the Lord's brother—not to be confused with the two original apostles named ames (see Matthew:10:2-3)—is not mentioned in the New Testament. But Josephus, the first-entury Jewish historian, does record it.

    He writes: "Festus [the Roman procurator] was now dead, and Albinus [his successor] was but upon he road; so he [Ananas II, the high priest] assembled the Sanhedrin of the judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, nd when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be toned" ( Antiquities of the Jews , Book 20, chap. 9, sec. 1).

    Eusebius, a fourth-century church historian, records even more of the details of James' death: Conducting him [James] into a public place, they demanded that he should renounce the faith of hrist before all the people; but contrary to the sentiments of all, with a firm voice, and much beyond their expectation, he declared himself fully before the whole multitude, and confessed that esus Christ was the Son of God, our Savior and Lord.

    Unable to bear any longer the testimony of the man, who, on account of his elevated virtue and piety was deemed the most just of men, they . . . slew him . . . But, as to the manner of James's eath, it has been already stated in the words of Clement, that he was thrown from a wing of the emple, [to be stoned] and beaten to death with a club" ( Ecclesiastical History , 1995, pp. 75-76).

    Names of other biblical figures found lthough the evidence so far points to the listing of Jesus, James and Joseph on the newfound ssuary as being the same persons mentioned in the New Testament, it cannot be proven with bsolute certainty. Perhaps testing methods yet to be developed will be carried out that can further onfirm the find.

    n the meantime, the find nevertheless appears to be powerful evidence for the accuracy of the ospel accounts and the literal existence of Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God, and His earthly amily.

    And by no means is this find unique; the existence of many biblical figures has been proven by rchaeological finds. So far biblical names that have been positively confirmed include Herod the reat, Herod Agrippa, Pontius Pilate, Caiaphas, David, many of the kings of Judah and Israel, and ven Jeremiah's scribe, Baruch. Many of these finds have been discussed in our 24-part series "The Bible and Archaeology."

    Jesus once said, "If these should keep silent, the stones would immediately cry out" (Luke:19:40). He poke of His disciples'testimony, but it is interesting that, through the discoveries of archaeology, here are stones that are now figuratively crying out as witnesses to the authenticity of the biblical

    http://www.ucg.org/science/surprisin...sus-existence/
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    Re: Proof of the Existence of Jesus' Family

    I remember reading about this when it first came out... it was quite a media hit at the time.

    However, the jury is still out on this.

    It is a real ossuary, that is confirmed. What is in doubt is the authenticity of part or all of the inscription identifying it.


    http://news.discovery.com/history/ar...ary-120314.htm

    http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post...h.aspx#Article

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    http://www.ucg.org/science/surprisin...sus-existence/

    First it was the name of the Roman governor Pontius Pilate found in a monument in Caesarea, Israel, in 1961.

    Then came the discovery in 1990 in Jerusalem of an ossuary, a burial box for bones, bearing the name of Caiaphas, the high priest who condemned Jesus. Just recently it appears the most spectacular of all archaeological finds relating to Jesus has surfaced.

    Another ossuary has come to light, this one bearing the names of Jesus, James and Joseph, three of the most prominent people in the New Testament. The ancient Aramaic words inscribed on the limestone box state that it belonged to "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus."
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Some people have the ability to think critically, some do not. ohein obviously doesn't.

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    Re: Proof of the Existence of Jesus' Family

    Well that'll do it!

    Awesome 'proof'

    Roflmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Well that'll do it!

    Awesome 'proof'

    Roflmao
    Even if a mountain fell into the sea you wouldn't believe.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Re: Proof of the Existence of Jesus' Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    Even if a mountain fell into the sea you wouldn't believe.
    When mountains fall into the sea, it's called earthquakes ie...techtonic plates moving, or, erosion...dummy.

    If your god's omnipotent he should be able to prove his existence, beyond a shadow of a doubt, EASILY....get creative...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    When mountains fall into the sea, it's called earthquakes ie...techtonic plates moving, or, erosion...dummy.

    If your god's omnipotent he should be able to prove his existence, beyond a shadow of a doubt, EASILY....get creative...
    God proved his existence to me. Your heart is hardened (as evidence by your actions) so you don't see.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Re: Proof of the Existence of Jesus' Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    God proved his existence to me.
    Did you become a 'believer' because of the proof/evidence revealed to you?
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    Re: Proof of the Existence of Jesus' Family

    What did you turn in your eight grade book report there kiddo?
    Well....................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Did you become a 'believer' because of the proof/evidence revealed to you?
    What do you think captain obvious?
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
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    Re: Proof of the Existence of Jesus' Family

    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    What do you think captain obvious?
    Another simple, direct question, avoided by jhokey.

    Nice job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    Another simple, direct question, avoided by jhokey.

    Nice job!
    My position in the matter has been clearly made.
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
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    'Joecool44' has, as a matter of routine, refuted most of your accusations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joecool44 View Post
    My position in the matter has been clearly made.
    If that were true, why would I be asking?!

    jhokey = Idiot:judges:
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    As long as it is acceptable for a person to beLIEve that he knows how god wants everyone on Earth to live, we will continue to murder one another on account of our myths. ~ Sam Harris, 'The End Of Faith'
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    Re: Proof of the Existence of Jesus' Family

    Quote Originally Posted by ohein56 View Post
    If that were true, why would I be asking?!

    jhokey = Idiot:judges:
    Because you lack comprehension and don't understand my answers?
    Originally Posted by nomaxim
    Sorry there ''ohein56', but it appears that 'Joecool44' does not have the position that you envision on this topic.

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