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    Christianity is Based on Lies and Deception.

    The gospels were written 35 to 70 years after Jesus was murdered. They were written in Greek by Creeks who were not eyewitnesses to a single event, who never visited the holy land, and who, being a minority who could read and write, were most likely aristocrats living in luxurious mansions. Furthermore, we don't even know their real names. Names were selected by Church leaders to legitimize the gospels. We can also criticize some of Paul's letters based on pseudo names, or people pretending to be Paul.

    Just as good Hollywood movies are based on fiction, Christianity, one of the world's greatest religions, is based on lies, deception, and extraordinary hype by Church leaders. There is a strong consensus among scholars for the gospels and Paul being inauthentic. The following is a summary of scholars assessment.

    "The mainstream scholarly view is that the Gospels are anonymous works, written in a different language than that of Jesus, in distant lands, after a substantial gap of time, by unknown persons, compiling, redacting, and inventing various traditions in order to provide a narrative of Christianity’s central figure, Jesus Christ, to confirm the faith of their communities."

    http://adversusapologetica.wordpress...f-the-gospels/

    Bart Ehrman, a well known biblical scholar, has stated that gospels and Paul are full of lies.

    "A forgery is when somebody writes a book claiming to be somebody else. I've written two books about this. What I write in my books is that that's exactly what happens with some of the books of the New Testament. Some of the letters of Paul, for example, are written by somebody who was claiming to be Paul, even though he wasn't Paul. In the ancient world they would have called that a forgery. Actually, in the ancient world they would have called it a lie. The ancient Greek word they used for that is "pseudēs," which means a lie. The other Greek word they use for it actually is the word "nothos," which means bastard. So ancient people talking about that phenomenon that we call forgery, called them lies and bastards. So I just think it's truer to the ancient sources to call them what they are. If we want to use the word "pseudepigrapha," which is okay with me, then we should tell people what it means, which is that it means a writing that is inscribed with a lie."

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/ag...matters-97169/

    No one knows who the real gospel authors were, they were names chosen by early church leaders inasmuch as the original Creek manuscripts had no authors. Apparently, they were just manuscripts in circulation at the time.

    http://www.facingthechallenge.org/gospels.php

    There also serious questions raised by Erhman as to the whether or not the authors even visited places in the holy land around the Sea of Galilee where Jesus spent his ministry. I once asked well-educated preacher about scholar's analysis of the gospels. He said, "scholars don't know what they're talking about!" That pretty well sums it up. There is a frequent contributor to this forum who claims anyone who disagrees with New Testament scripture will be condemned. He is among the majority of Christians who believe Jesus was the son of God. They think anyone who disbelieves in the gospels and Paul is going to hell, that includes, of course, Jews, God's chosen people. How unfortunate for them to put their trust in liars, or, if you will, Hollywood storytellers.

    There are additional means by which one can dispute NT beliefs. There is no literal reference to the son of God in the Old Testament, they're all figurative interpretations concocted by Christians. Isn't that interesting?

    So, what is the real story? You can't believe the gospels or Paul, they are full of lies and distortions. I have a theory that can't be proven, but it's logical. I believe Jesus was God, and God is a duality. During the time of his ministry, Jesus (God) gave an honesty testimony about his real nature. Humans not wanting to accept God's dual nature made up son of God stories. I believe Revelation 11 about the two witnesses who gave testimony is the true story of Jesus (God). Revelation 12 is about God's heavenly angels fighting Satan while God was in the world as Jesus. It is interesting that the time period for both chapters is the same, 1,260 days.

    What are the consequences for believing in lies?

    If there is no son of God, the trinity is a false doctrine. Also, because the NT authors were liars, or, if you will, Hollywood story tellers, there is no holy spirit. The holy spirit, a third part of the trinity, was concocted by church leaders to give them authority over followers. How often have believers heard preachers or clerics tell them, "the holy spirit told me so"? How many heretics have been excommunicated or even burned at the stake for not believing in the holy spirit? In short, Christianity is based on lies and deception.
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    It's not worth going thru all of your LIES in that post, but you're wrong about so many things. Satan doesn't care, as long as he can keep you away from the One who died for YOUR sins.

    I've heard of Paul, but I've never heard of "Bart Ehrman." Guess who I follow? Was Bart Ehrman ever struck down by the Son of God? Was he ever taught PERSONALLY by the risen Christ?

    In 30 years, no one will ever give another thought to Cnance (or whatever name you go by in this life). Everybody will know PERSONALLY, the apostle Paul. I look forward to meeting him in a few years (on the earth -- in Jerusalem).

    But carry on Dreamer of Lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    It's not worth going thru all of your LIES in that post, but you're wrong about so many things. Satan doesn't care, as long as he can keep you away from the One who died for YOUR sins.

    I've heard of Paul, but I've never heard of "Bart Ehrman." Guess who I follow? Was Bart Ehrman ever struck down by the Son of God? Was he ever taught PERSONALLY by the risen Christ?

    In 30 years, no one will ever give another thought to Cnance (or whatever name you go by in this life). Everybody will know PERSONALLY, the apostle Paul. I look forward to meeting him in a few years (on the earth -- in Jerusalem).

    But carry on Dreamer of Lies.
    You're a true Christian, never willing to know the truth. Give your brain a chance, check out those sources. If you still have questions, use your search engine, there are a lot of scholarly sources out there. If you can't find any, I'll post them for you. This thread has nothing to do with my dreams. I'm a published scholar, so it's easy for me to do research. Why do so many intelligent people believe in lies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    You're a true Christian, never willing to know the truth. Give your brain a chance, check out those sources. If you still have questions, use your search engine, there are a lot of scholarly sources out there. If you can't find any, I'll post them for you. This thread has nothing to do with my dreams. I'm a published scholar, so it's easy for me to do research. Why do intelligent people believe in lies?

    Never mind what them scholars and historians and archaeologists and scientists and others have discovered to be true.......all we need is the bippitty bap bible.

    Sources shmorces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    It's not worth going thru all of your LIES in that post, but you're wrong about so many things. Satan doesn't care, as long as he can keep you away from the One who died for YOUR sins.

    I've heard of Paul, but I've never heard of "Bart Ehrman." Guess who I follow? Was Bart Ehrman ever struck down by the Son of God? Was he ever taught PERSONALLY by the risen Christ?

    In 30 years, no one will ever give another thought to Cnance (or whatever name you go by in this life). Everybody will know PERSONALLY, the apostle Paul. I look forward to meeting him in a few years (on the earth -- in Jerusalem).

    But carry on Dreamer of Lies.
    and YET/NOW/LATER you CARRY on in your EARTHLY ways as if that is some TESTAMENT to TRUTH according to LAW with NO real RISK taken in the EYES of the PUBLIC other than YADA YADA over here like some PORNO chat ROOM!? not that i BLAME you at ALL as we ALL are so inclined some more than OTHERS depending on....................like the PRICE of GAS for 1 thing!? no CHEVY left BEHIND see the USA or DIE on the LEVY!? try to STAY CURRENT will you!? ever bin SHY DIVING!? WHO CON YOU trust FOR that 1!? MARK MY words LIKE A opposing god FART!? :errr: :freak3: :judges: :
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    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    It's not worth going thru all of your LIES in that post, but you're wrong about so many things. Satan doesn't care, as long as he can keep you away from the One who died for YOUR sins.

    I've heard of Paul, but I've never heard of "Bart Ehrman." Guess who I follow? Was Bart Ehrman ever struck down by the Son of God? Was he ever taught PERSONALLY by the risen Christ?

    In 30 years, no one will ever give another thought to Cnance (or whatever name you go by in this life). Everybody will know PERSONALLY, the apostle Paul. I look forward to meeting him in a few years (on the earth -- in Jerusalem).

    But carry on Dreamer of Lies.
    so WHAT are you in CONSENSUS with paul on if i MAY ask like becoming as they ARE to possibly WIN them to christ i am assuming from scripture!? what i find MOST interesting about paul is where he says i would do that which i would not do and the CAUSE is SIN in my MEMBERS!? what MEMBERS, the local COUNTRY CLUB/social circle!? i got a NEW CAR BABY ....AMEN!? funny thing is PLATO said PHILOSOPHY is the STUDY of DEATH!? or maybe it's ACCEPTANCE!? I DIE DAILY said PAUL!? and DONT forget paul ASKED for the THORN in his side to be REMOVED!? didn't the CHRIST get a SPEAR in the SIDE and yet LATER enjoyed a FISH DINNER!? :rryumy: :judges: :spin2:
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    I'm flattered. Lexx only responds to me.

    Here are the authors of the NT. They were ALL taught at the feet of Christ-- including Paul, who was taught by the Risen Christ




    A little about the Founders of the Church:

    BRIEF BIOGRAPHY OF EACH AUTHOR:
    1. Matthew: Mathew, also known as Levi, was a publican or tax collector who was chosen by Jesus to be one of the twelve Apostles. As a tax collector Matthew would have been a literate person well suited to author one of the gospel records. Early church tradition credits Matthew with the authorship of the gospel bearing his name.
    2. Mark: This disciple is given credit by the early church as the author of the Gospel bearing his name. Mark was the Latin surname given to this young man who's Jewish name was John. John Mark was cousin to Barnabas a prominent figure in the early church. Mark traveled with his cousin Barnabas in ministry and later in years ministered to the Apostles Peter and Paul. Mark is not identified as one who walked with Jesus yet his association with the Apostles makes him more than qualified to produce a gospel record.
    3. Luke: This man is credited with authoring the third Gospel and the book of Acts. Luke is mentioned three times in the New Testament. (Colossians 4:14; Philemon 24; II Timothy 4:11) and from these passages we learn that Luke was a physician and a fellow worker of Paul who traveled with Paul during his missionary journeys. Luke was an educated man who's attention to historical detail is of great value to us today.
    4. John: One of the twelve apostles, John was a fisherman and brother to one of the other twelve apostles James. The Apostle John is the author of the fourth gospel, three epistles and the Revelation. John was a close personal associate of Jesus being referred to as the "...disciple whom Jesus loved". John's writings are of tremendous value to the Christian church and account for a significant portion of the New Testament.
    5. Peter: Peter was one of the most prominent of the twelve Apostles. He was also a fisherman and brother to another of the twelve who's name was Andrew. Peter was also referred to at times as Simeon (Acts 15:14) along with Cephos and Simon (John 1:43). Peter was a part of Jesus inner circle of disciples and remains an important person throughout the early church history. Peter is credited with authoring the two Epistles which bear his name and as being the likely source for Mark's Gospel.
    6. Paul: The Apostle Paul, although not one of the original twelve Apostles, was chosen by Jesus to be an apostle and to go out to bring the gospel to the non-Jewish people of his day. Paul was a Jew of respectable heritage and a ranking member of the strict Jewish sect of the Pharisees. Paul was also a Roman citizen by birth which he used to his advantage in times of persecution. His name before his conversion was Saul and he was well known because he fiercely persecuted the early Christians. After his miraculous conversion Paul went on to live one of the most fruitful lives of service for the kingdom of God.
    7. James: The author of the epistle of James this man was also a brother of Jesus. (Galatians 1:19). James was not one of the twelve Apostles but was clearly a leader in the early church in Jerusalem. An important council in Jerusalem chaired by James was responsible for deciding that it was no longer a requirement to keep the ceremonial aspects of the law of Moses. Acts 12:17; 15:13,19; Gal 2:9. Along with being a member of Jesus household James also had the privilege of seeing Jesus after He rose from the dead. I Cor 15:5,7.
    8. Jude: The author of one epistle of only twenty five verses Jude was also a brother of James and of Jesus. Jude 1; Gal 1:19 His name in greek would be Judas however this is not the traitor of Jesus but the defender of the faith who's epistle speaks out boldly against the apostasy of his day.


    http://godisforus.com/information/bible/ntdocs/authors.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    I'm flattered. Lexx only responds to me.

    Here are the authors of the NT. They were ALL taught at the feet of Christ-- including Paul, who was taught by the Risen Christ




    A little about the Founders of the Church:
    We don't know if they were taught at the feet of Jesus. None of the gospel authors, including Paul had ever met Jesus, witnessed his ministry, or even visited places where Jesus gave testimony. What is really sad is so many Christians have been deceived for so long into thinking those authors had first hand knowledge. They would make great Hollywood writers spinning fairy tales about the life of Jesus. As it turns out most characters are make believe. We have no historical records of any of them: Mary, Joseph, or the disciples. I've been researching historical records for the disciplines and have come up blank. Mostly, what you find are Christians making up fairy tales to convert nonbelievers. I think the Catholic Church lied about Peter. It's doubtful that he is even buried in the Vatican. It must be the biggest scam in history.

    What you have are statements by Christians who have indulged in church propaganda for nearly two thousand years. To dispute lies and deceptions of Christians you need historical documents, or scholarly consensus that yes, indeed, those authors were eyewitness, spoke the actual language of Jesus and his followers, lived or had visited places of his ministry, and were not Creeks living in far away lands.

    Here is another reference to Ehrman's research on the New Testament, he has written several books on the subject. It's remarkable, he researched original Greek manuscripts for most of his analysis, it's not shoddy scholarship. Most scholars agree about the accuracy of his works. Mostly, it is all about foreigners writing about Jesus, whom they had never seen. Furthermore, it is doubtful that they even knew his disciples.

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/ag...matters-97169/

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    There's evidence that supports the Bible. It is being uncovered more and more:

    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/...by-king-david/

    JERUSALEM – An Israeli archaeologist says he has found the legendary citadel captured by King David in his conquest of Jerusalem, rekindling a longstanding debate about using the Bible as a field guide to identifying ancient ruins.

    The claim by Eli Shukron, like many such claims in the field of biblical archaeology, has run into criticism. It joins a string of announcements by Israeli archaeologists saying they have unearthed palaces of the legendary biblical king, who is revered in Jewish religious tradition for establishing Jerusalem as its central holy city -- but who has long eluded historians looking for clear-cut evidence of his existence and reign.

    The present-day Israeli-Palestinian conflict is also wrapped up in the subject. The $10 million excavation, made accessible to tourists last month, took place in an Arab neighborhood of Jerusalem and was financed by an organization that settles Jews in guarded homes in Arab areas of east Jerusalem in an attempt to prevent the city from being divided. The Palestinians claim east Jerusalem, captured by Israel in 1967, as the capital of a future independent state.

    Shukron, who excavated at the City of David archaeological site for nearly two decades, says he believes strong evidence supports his theory.

    "This is the citadel of King David, this is the Citadel of Zion, and this is what King David took from the Jebusites," said Shukron, who said he recently left Israel's Antiquities Authority to work as a lecturer and tour guide. "The whole site we can compare to the Bible perfectly."

    Most archaeologists in Israel do not dispute that King David was a historical figure, and a written reference to the "House of David" was found in an archaeological site in northern Israel. But archaeologists are divided on identifying Davidic sites in Jerusalem, which he is said to have made his capital.

    Shukron's dig, which began in 1995, uncovered a massive fortification of five-ton stones stacked 21 feet wide. Pottery shards helped date the fortification walls to be 3,800 years old. They are the largest walls found in the region from before the time of King Herod, the ambitious builder who expanded the Second Jewish Temple complex in Jerusalem almost 2,100 years ago. The fortification surrounded a water spring and is thought to have protected the ancient city's water source.

    The fortification was built 800 years before King David would have captured it from its Jebusite rulers. Shukron says the biblical story of David's conquest of Jerusalem provides clues that point to this particular fortification as David's entry point into the city.

    In the second Book of Samuel, David orders the capture of the walled city by entering it through the water shaft. Shukron's excavation uncovered a narrow shaft where spring water flowed into a carved pool, thought to be where city inhabitants would gather to draw water. Excess water would have flowed out of the walled city through another section of the shaft Shukron said he discovered -- where he believes the city was penetrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    We don't know if they were taught at the feet of Jesus. None of the gospel authors, including Paul had ever met Jesus,
    You show yourself to be more and more insane with every post. The point is, the authors WERE those who studied at Jesus' feet. They were with Him during His ministry.

    Paul too. He was struck down on his way to persecute the Church. The resurrected Jesus taught him personally. His credentials are just as valid as every other apostle. All the other apostles accepted him as one of their own.

    It's funny that you deny the Gospels, the Book of Acts, and other writings because they were written a couple decades later, but you embrace some nut's ideas who was born 2,000 years later. Somehow he knows more than those who were taught by Jesus and were eyewitnesses! It shows the extent of your own bias and deception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    You show yourself to be more and more insane with every post. The point is, the authors WERE those who studied at Jesus' feet. They were with Him during His ministry.

    Paul too. He was struck down on his way to persecute the Church. The resurrected Jesus taught him personally. His credentials are just as valid as every other apostle. All the other apostles accepted him as one of their own.

    It's funny that you deny the Gospels, the Book of Acts, and other writings because they were written a couple decades later, but you embrace some nut's ideas who was born 2,000 years later. Somehow he knows more than those who were taught by Jesus and were eyewitnesses! It shows the extent of your own bias and deception.
    Insults make you look stupid.

    Do you remember Diogenes, the Greek who went from village to village holding a lantern looking for an honest man? Everyone lies, some more than others. That's the situation we face, who are the honest men? Scholars have rigid standards, standards that are accepted by the intellectual and academic community. Scholars claim NT authors lied to promote Christianity. Evidently, you're uneducated about the ways of the world. Scholars have more legitimacy than religious fanatics or people promoting causes without facts.

    You make a ridiculous argument. Just because it was written about 2,000 years ago it must be true. How absolutely absurd! As Ehrman pointed out, even back then people lied; many thought those books were lies. Evidently, they were ahead of their time. Evidently, you have a reading problem, so again, here is my thread posting about what scholars have concluded about the gospels.

    "The mainstream scholarly view is that the Gospels are anonymous works, written in a different language than that of Jesus, in distant lands, after a substantial gap of time, by unknown persons, compiling, redacting, and inventing various traditions in order to provide a narrative of Christianity’s central figure, Jesus Christ, to confirm the faith of their communities."


    I won't post any more references inasmuch as you have a difficult time reading. To win this debate you must refute scholar's conclusions about the NT authors. Are you up to the challenge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post

    I won't post any more references inasmuch as you have a difficult time reading. To win this debate you must refute scholar's conclusions about the NT authors. Are you up to the challenge?

    Now THIS is more like it, Cnance!

    What's firmly in front of our eyes, rather than in our minds.......


    I'm with you on this one, and you and I both know that the refutations and proof will NOT happen. We'll get more of the "fools and vipers" returns and other no substance stabs at our spiritual well-being.

    Most Christians spend their entire lives going to church and drinking in what the preachers and teachers tell them about the bible without ever once looking for themselves.
    If its said in church it MUST be true, right?? How could preacher lie to me? Well, perhaps he's pushing the same nonsense himself; ignorantly and innocently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conserv4ever View Post
    I'm flattered. Lexx only responds to me.

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    prolly cause you are particularly annoying since you claim to be a SANE ADULT!? whatever that means!? you have not been ABLE to prove/show it if you ask me!? but like others you do occasionally have a sensible/practical/enlightening thing to say instead of just selling tickets out your window!? ing1: :rotz: :yelcutelaughA: :spin2:
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    If you research references about Jesus prior to the gospels you'll find a manuscript called Q and The Gospel of Thomas. There are others, but these are most often mentioned in discussions refuting the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Q is probable the most important of all pre-gospel manuscripts or books about Jesus. Bible scholars have identify Q as the missing manuscript used by Matthew and Luke. It seems they copied Mark and Q for their gospels. We know about Q because there are similar quotes in both Matthew and Luke from the mysterious Q.

    There is no mention in Q of the crucifixion or resurrection of Jesus.

    https://bible.org/question/could-q-m...els-themselves

    The Gospel of Thomas is without a narrative, it's about the sayings of Jesus. It makes no mention of his life, crucifixion or resurrection. It was written prior to the NT gospels after the death of Jesus.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ry/thomas.html

    It appears that stories about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus may not have existed prior to the NT gospels. The implications for Christianity is important. It is doubtful that Christianity would have become what it is today without the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, all for the salvation of humankind. NT authors were spin artist, just like good Hollywood script writers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    If you research references about Jesus prior to the gospels you'll find a manuscript called Q and The Gospel of Thomas. There are others, but these are most often mentioned in discussions refuting the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Q is probable the most important of all pre-gospel manuscripts or books about Jesus. Bible scholars have identify Q as the missing manuscript used by Matthew and Luke. It seems they copied Mark and Q for their gospels. We know about Q because there are similar quotes in both Matthew and Luke from the mysterious Q.

    There is no mention in Q of the crucifixion or resurrection of Jesus.

    https://bible.org/question/could-q-m...els-themselves

    The Gospel of Thomas is without a narrative, it's about the sayings of Jesus. It makes no mention of his life, crucifixion or resurrection. It was written prior to the NT gospels after the death of Jesus.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ry/thomas.html

    It appears that stories about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus may not have existed prior to the NT gospels. The implications for Christianity is important. It is doubtful that Christianity would have become what it is today without the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, all for the salvation of humankind. NT authors were spin artist, just like good Hollywood script writers.
    OH WOW is the same "Q" of STAR TREK FAME!? :nervouss: :freak3: :spin2: :
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cnance View Post
    If you research references about Jesus prior to the gospels you'll find a manuscript called Q and The Gospel of Thomas. There are others, but these are most often mentioned in discussions refuting the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Q is probable the most important of all pre-gospel manuscripts or books about Jesus. Bible scholars have identify Q as the missing manuscript used by Matthew and Luke. It seems they copied Mark and Q for their gospels. We know about Q because there are similar quotes in both Matthew and Luke from the mysterious Q.

    There is no mention in Q of the crucifixion or resurrection of Jesus.

    https://bible.org/question/could-q-m...els-themselves

    The Gospel of Thomas is without a narrative, it's about the sayings of Jesus. It makes no mention of his life, crucifixion or resurrection. It was written prior to the NT gospels after the death of Jesus.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ry/thomas.html

    It appears that stories about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus may not have existed prior to the NT gospels. The implications for Christianity is important. It is doubtful that Christianity would have become what it is today without the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, all for the salvation of humankind. NT authors were spin artist, just like good Hollywood script writers.
    of course on the OTHER hand we could speculate it's ALL scripture literally and figuratively and mindfully even what YOU propose,...........dearest!? :liefde: :yelcutelaughA: :freak3: :
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