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    How the Middle East is going to be fixed

    This is how the Middle East is going to be fixed.....
    In the times of yesteryear when Prophet Muhammad banded together the followers of Islam into a single economic and political group people associated their livelihoods with their tribe. Purchasing, selling, earning money was predominately transacted through the ideology that the tribe must thrive and dominate. As Islam became more important it was evident that it superseded any consideration to the needs of other entities. Islam became the new standard of economic activity. As the borders of the Muslim world increased so did its economic strength. Eventually it was the most powerful entity on the Earth.

    In modern times Muslim countries live in great poverty. Even though there are a number of wealthy pockets to be found, the vast majority have a difficult time feeding their children or building necessary infrastructure improvements. Why is this so? The reasons lie in the assumption of nationalisms superiority over Islam. In Islam's past there was no concept of country and national currency. Instead each city was viewed as a small state that lived and worked in the collective of the Muslim world. At that time the concept was revolutionary and lead to a great many economic changes. The Christian world was still squabbling and fighting wars against each other, furthering the economic drain on their local economies. They therefore, could not compete against Muslims effectively. The Muslims had a central authority that made great strides in reducing internal squabbles. Therefore, when they acted they could do so in a uniform manner.

    Today the situation is reversed. The wealth countries of Europe have banded together in terms of economic treaties and military collaboration. The United Nations, the European Union and FTAA are all examples of this collaborated effort. This spirit of working together mitigates any internal structures they have by virtue of utilizing one of these larger organizations to arbitrate. The Muslim world, to its dismay, has reduced itself to internal squabbling and the active "undermining" of each other.

    The only way to reverse the Muslim misfortune is to change our entire way of viewing business. Islamic principles of fairness, hard work and collective effort need to evolve. The concept of nationalism needs to be viewed as outdated and the concept of the singular "Ummah (community) should take its place. By working together the people can utilize their untapped wealth in terms of knowledge and natural resources to develop something for the betterment of all. Countries like Saudia Arabia, who desire a more secure food source, could invest in those countries with fertile soil but little capital wealth. Trade barriers between nations can be reduced to assure that easy flow of goods and money is possible. Leadership could be made accountable for the increasing the viability of not only their nation but that of their neighbors.

    In essence the promotion of a singular Muslim currency and governmental body is necessary if any meaningful reform is going to take place. The structural governmental body would be much like that found under the European Union but with substantial Islamic improvements. Individual and national agendas would not be given full weight nor shall economic improvements be subject to corruption. Internal control would have to be developed that would help solve some of those problems that thrive in the Muslim world.

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    Re: How the Middle East is going to be fixed

    Muslim countries NEVER had the good life. They never had the equivalent of the USA's (now dying) middle class. There were the rich, and there were the dirt poor (the vast majority). They will never prosper under that cult.

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    Re: How the Middle East is going to be fixed

    Quote Originally Posted by Administrator View Post
    This is how the Middle East is going to be fixed.....
    In the times of yesteryear when Prophet Muhammad banded together the followers of Islam into a single economic and political group people associated their livelihoods with their tribe. Purchasing, selling, earning money was predominately transacted through the ideology that the tribe must thrive and dominate. As Islam became more important it was evident that it superseded any consideration to the needs of other entities. Islam became the new standard of economic activity. As the borders of the Muslim world increased so did its economic strength. Eventually it was the most powerful entity on the Earth.

    In modern times Muslim countries live in great poverty. Even though there are a number of wealthy pockets to be found, the vast majority have a difficult time feeding their children or building necessary infrastructure improvements. Why is this so? The reasons lie in the assumption of nationalisms superiority over Islam. In Islam's past there was no concept of country and national currency. Instead each city was viewed as a small state that lived and worked in the collective of the Muslim world. At that time the concept was revolutionary and lead to a great many economic changes. The Christian world was still squabbling and fighting wars against each other, furthering the economic drain on their local economies. They therefore, could not compete against Muslims effectively. The Muslims had a central authority that made great strides in reducing internal squabbles. Therefore, when they acted they could do so in a uniform manner.

    Today the situation is reversed. The wealth countries of Europe have banded together in terms of economic treaties and military collaboration. The United Nations, the European Union and FTAA are all examples of this collaborated effort. This spirit of working together mitigates any internal structures they have by virtue of utilizing one of these larger organizations to arbitrate. The Muslim world, to its dismay, has reduced itself to internal squabbling and the active "undermining" of each other.

    The only way to reverse the Muslim misfortune is to change our entire way of viewing business. Islamic principles of fairness, hard work and collective effort need to evolve. The concept of nationalism needs to be viewed as outdated and the concept of the singular "Ummah (community) should take its place. By working together the people can utilize their untapped wealth in terms of knowledge and natural resources to develop something for the betterment of all. Countries like Saudia Arabia, who desire a more secure food source, could invest in those countries with fertile soil but little capital wealth. Trade barriers between nations can be reduced to assure that easy flow of goods and money is possible. Leadership could be made accountable for the increasing the viability of not only their nation but that of their neighbors.

    In essence the promotion of a singular Muslim currency and governmental body is necessary if any meaningful reform is going to take place. The structural governmental body would be much like that found under the European Union but with substantial Islamic improvements. Individual and national agendas would not be given full weight nor shall economic improvements be subject to corruption. Internal control would have to be developed that would help solve some of those problems that thrive in the Muslim world.
    I agree, during times when medieval Europe was languishing, Islam was flourishing. Then things changed. In addition to difficult political alliances and other problems associated with a changing world, Islam suffered technological stagnation. In Europe, first there was the renaissance, then the industrial Revolution, which changed the economic face of Europe and America. Because of Islam's inability to adapt to new technologies: the spinning wheel in the textile industry produced the need for large factories, skilled workers and universal education. Then came steam engines for the production of steel, machines, steamboats, and factory machinery. Industrial development accelerated with oil and gasoline engines. Subsequently, there was an explosion of new inventions, machines such as railroad locomotives, automobiles, airplanes, and giant factories that made extraordinary products for mass consumption. As a result, the West moved far ahead of the rest of the world.

    Although there were pockets of industrial development in Islamic nations, for the most part, it fell behind. I believe That is the key for understanding the problem. In the West, religion lost its influence, but in the Islamic world, advanced technology took on negative overtones, viewed as evil or a distraction for Muslims' way of life. :liefde::liefde:

    There are positive signs things are changing for the better in the Islamic world. Universal education has advanced, new technology is no longer taboo, and ties have been formed with the West to assist in efforts to further industrial development.
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    Sounds like a yearning for the return of the Ottoman Empire.

    I mentioned this years ago in a similar thread. IMO, the Middle Eastern world is in a Dark Age, similar to that which followed the collapse of the Roman Empire. At that time the European communities had lost their collective 'identity'. They were no longer Romans. They had to find their own identities and embrace their unique cultures. Of course, leading to the development of European Nationalism and the eventual dawning of the world as we know it (long story-short).

    The Ottoman Empire survived from 1301 to 1922 and for all it's faults it did provide order and identity to the regions under it's control. When it folded those people lost their identity. Like the Europeans who were no longer Roman, they were no longer under the Ottoman umbrella. The major difference between the fall of Rome and the collapse of the Ottoman's though is the fact that the organized Western nations need what the region has (oil) and has been raping the countries, territories, regions there for the last 90 years and modern communications, methods of warfare, travel, etc have hindered the Middle Eastern region in any efforts it may have exerted to find it's unique self and develop along their lines. They are distracted into trying to emulate Western societies... which they are not. (beginning of long story that is nowhere near over).

    I do not have the answer, but I do know that it does not lie in trying to make the region what it is not.
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    Re: How the Middle East is going to be fixed

    well it seems to me IDENTITY is the ultimate GOAL of a UNIFIED result as it that is POSSIBLE!? i mean if we consider the PROMINENCE of NATURAL affection as the bible calls it and can make enough CONNECTIONS in THAT regard both REAL and INFERRED then MAYBE there is a CHANCE for PEACE and PROSPERITY but i think that requires a NEW DYNAMIC emphasis other than DARWINIAN IMPULSE as IMPLIED in the RULING authority of COMPETITION as ECONOMICALLY PRACTICED!? :madgo: :crazy1: :judges: :
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    Re: How the Middle East is going to be fixed

    Quote Originally Posted by Administrator View Post
    This is how the Middle East is going to be fixed.....
    In the times of yesteryear when Prophet Muhammad banded together the followers of Islam into a single economic and political group people associated their livelihoods with their tribe. Purchasing, selling, earning money was predominately transacted through the ideology that the tribe must thrive and dominate. As Islam became more important it was evident that it superseded any consideration to the needs of other entities. Islam became the new standard of economic activity. As the borders of the Muslim world increased so did its economic strength. Eventually it was the most powerful entity on the Earth.

    In modern times Muslim countries live in great poverty. Even though there are a number of wealthy pockets to be found, the vast majority have a difficult time feeding their children or building necessary infrastructure improvements. Why is this so? The reasons lie in the assumption of nationalisms superiority over Islam. In Islam's past there was no concept of country and national currency. Instead each city was viewed as a small state that lived and worked in the collective of the Muslim world. At that time the concept was revolutionary and lead to a great many economic changes. The Christian world was still squabbling and fighting wars against each other, furthering the economic drain on their local economies. They therefore, could not compete against Muslims effectively. The Muslims had a central authority that made great strides in reducing internal squabbles. Therefore, when they acted they could do so in a uniform manner.

    Today the situation is reversed. The wealth countries of Europe have banded together in terms of economic treaties and military collaboration. The United Nations, the European Union and FTAA are all examples of this collaborated effort. This spirit of working together mitigates any internal structures they have by virtue of utilizing one of these larger organizations to arbitrate. The Muslim world, to its dismay, has reduced itself to internal squabbling and the active "undermining" of each other.

    The only way to reverse the Muslim misfortune is to change our entire way of viewing business. Islamic principles of fairness, hard work and collective effort need to evolve. The concept of nationalism needs to be viewed as outdated and the concept of the singular "Ummah (community) should take its place. By working together the people can utilize their untapped wealth in terms of knowledge and natural resources to develop something for the betterment of all. Countries like Saudia Arabia, who desire a more secure food source, could invest in those countries with fertile soil but little capital wealth. Trade barriers between nations can be reduced to assure that easy flow of goods and money is possible. Leadership could be made accountable for the increasing the viability of not only their nation but that of their neighbors.

    In essence the promotion of a singular Muslim currency and governmental body is necessary if any meaningful reform is going to take place. The structural governmental body would be much like that found under the European Union but with substantial Islamic improvements. Individual and national agendas would not be given full weight nor shall economic improvements be subject to corruption. Internal control would have to be developed that would help solve some of those problems that thrive in the Muslim world.


    As long as mythology and cults drive the thought process there will always be strife. Think how peaceful the world would have been without all the religious nonsense.

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    Re: How the Middle East is going to be fixed

    Quote Originally Posted by tomInAustin View Post
    As long as mythology and cults drive the thought process there will always be strife. Think how peaceful the world would have been without all the religious nonsense.

    What a great lead-in to:




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    Israel made a paradise with water and hotels in the desert lets help everyone out. True capitalism. They will buy Justin Bieber 8 tracks and cassettes too!

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    Israel made a paradise with water and hotels in the desert lets help everyone out. True capitalism. They will buy Justin Bieber 8 tracks and cassettes too!
    If Palestine expands out, maybe they should open some casinos. :spin2:

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    Re: How the Middle East is going to be fixed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza. View Post
    What makes you think that wealth and the "good life" (as you perceive it) is what they want?

    I guess it's totally inconceivable to you that some people could be deliriously happy living in a mud brick house in the middle of desert subsisting on a diet of goat meat and dates!

    This is what occurs when people apply their own standards to others and imagines they are abjectly miserable.


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    I know I sure was (miserable) playing in the Iraqi desert........but to each their own, I guess.

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