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    "Tech puts JFK conspiracy theories to rest"

    Is nonsense. The government must be getting desperate! Most people do not believe their nonsensical story as outlined in the Warren Report, so they have to keep trying to cover the assassination of Kennedy up.

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    Re: "Tech puts JFK conspiracy theories to rest"

    And the proof for the contrary position is???
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    Quote Originally Posted by LogicallyYours View Post
    And the proof for the contrary position is???
    First of all, this latest nonsense from the government trying to prove their position does not constitute proof.

    However , I have this to say:


    Although there is ample evidence to prove shots from the front, we know Kennedy was also shot at and hit from behind, so lets just say that some of the shots from behind came from the 6th floor southeast window of the Texas School Book Depository Building.

    With that in mind, even if it could be shown with 100% certainty that shots did come from the southeast window of the Texas School Book Depository Building, that does nothing toward proving whose finger was on the trigger.

    The proof that Oswald was not there is the fact that none of the four men upstairs who were on the fifth and/or sixth floors said that they had seen him there, which they absolutely must have if he was there. Bonnie Ray Williams was on the sixth floor to within three minutes of the shooting, in a position where he would have seen - and probably did see - whoever was in the "sniper's nest" area. Jack Dougherty was standing "ten feet west of the west elevator" - that is, directly in the path of the fleeing assassin (which scenario was only necessary if Oswald was the shooter having to hurry downstairs to meet Baker & Truly in the second floor lunchroom within 90 seconds) - and was not run over by Oswald as he had to have been.

    Hank Norman and Junior Jarman did not go upstairs until after they had heard - either directly from a police radio, or through the word spreading through the crowd - that the Presidential parade was on Main Street. The earliest that could have been was 12:22, or possibly as late as 12:26. They then walked around the TSBD via Houston Street and rode the freight elevator to the fifth floor. Bonnie Ray joined them after they had arrived at the windows, and immediately after he had left the sixth floor.

    Both elevators were on the fifth floor, according to the testimony of Roy Truly, who had looked up the shaft and seen the bottoms of both elevators at the same level after entering the building behind Officer Baker, and before the two of them began their ascent by stair. The east-side passenger elevator could only be operated by someone inside the elevator car; the freight elevator, while able to be called from another floor, would not operate if the gate was open. Truly was unable to call either elevator to the first floor, thus indicating that the freight elevator gate was open. When Baker & Truly reached the fifth floor, the freight elevator was gone.

    Jack Dougherty himself testified to his location at the time he heard "a backfire," and that he was "getting stock" on both the fifth and sixth floors. Since the only other persons known to be upstairs - the "three blind mice" at the front windows - were away from the elevators. While any could have left the gate open (despite Jarman's testimony that he'd closed it upon exiting), Jack's proximity to the west-side freight elevator - "ten feet west of the west elevator" - his "getting stock," and his admission that he'd ridden the freight elevator downstairs after hearing the "backfire," does more than simply suggest that it was Jack who'd had the elevator gate open.

    When Roy Truly saw the elevators upstairs, he not only yelled up for it, but also rang a bell that was used to alert anyone using the elevator that someone else needed it and to make sure the gate was closed. Standing directly beside it, Jack did not react to the bell or Truly's yelling. Whether this was a pre-arranged signal or not, it certainly served to alert anyone upstairs that someone else wanted to use the elevator.

    Since Bonnie Ray could've seen Oswald but apparently didn't (he'd have had no fear of retribution from Oswald after the weekend was over, so if he'd seen him he could have said so), and had been upstairs past the time that the parade had been scheduled to go by - meaning that anyone who'd intended to shoot the President would have had to have been in position before the scheduled 12:25 arrival - and Jack did not get run over (or hear or see anything) while standing directly in Oswald's presumed path from the time he'd heard the "backfire" until he'd taken the elevator downstairs after Truly had started upstairs, demonstrates conclusively that Oswald was not upstairs; someone else therefore must have been.

    Whoever was upstairs doing the shooting was not constrained by the time needed to meet Officer Baker on the second floor, and thus had nearly all of the time that it took Baker to run inside, wait for the elevator briefly, start upstairs, encounter Oswald, and run up the remaining flights of stairs, stopping to look beyond each landing, before it was necessary to go down ... or possibly up to wait at the sixth floor while Baker & Truly boarded the east elevator (which Truly did not even remark to Baker about its being missing when they got there) and rode it up to the seventh floor, clearing the way for the freight elevator to go down without the chance of encountering Baker on the way.

    ... And that, my friends, is how it's quite possible that the fatal shot came from the 6th floor southeast window without having been fired by Lee Oswald.

    It likewise explains the "elderly Negro" (Bonnie Ray with white stuff in his hair) seen by someone on the street, and it's my bet that it was Jack Dougherty both standing at "parade rest" (his WWII service before his release on medical grounds was guarding aircraft on the ground, i.e., sentry duty) and babysitting Bonnie Ray and the boys on the fifth floor to make sure they didn't go downstairs before the shooting was done, as well as how the shooter(s) got out of the building. Luke Mooney saw them on his way upstairs but apparently never realized it.


    In the "Men Who Killed Kennedy", Governor Connelly describes what happened at the time of the shots and talks about Kennedy's brains being on the back of the limousine.

    "Governor Connelly says he heard what he thought was a rifle shot, in response to this he turned and looked over his right shoulder, because that was where he describes the sound to have come from, and when he did not see anything because Kennedy had leant forward, he turned back again and then felt a blow to his back which he describes to have felt like a ‘fist’ hitting his back. The force of such a blow bent him over and he noticed he was covered with blood. The shirt was straight afterwards dry-cleaned to remove all traces of any blood. He then remarks, “Oh my God, they’re going to kill us all”. He says it with a calm resilient tone in his voice, as if he thinks whoever is shooting is going to take everyone out, including himself, which he may not have expected.

    Connelly states that he also heard another shot and says he saw blood and brain tissue all over the back of the limousine. He states that at this point he knows the president had been fatally hit because Mrs. Kennedy said, “My God, I’ve got his brains in my hand”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4QkKkXYtr4

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    In "the Men Who Killed Kennedy", Governor Connelly describes what happened at the time of the shots and talks about Kennedy's brains being on the back of the limousine.
    That is a fantastic documentary. Anyone who would believe Oswald was a lone shooter after watching that has to be a moron.

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    Re: "Tech puts JFK conspiracy theories to rest"

    The only issue with shot from the front is, they had to come from the right (facing the car). If not, Jackie Kennedy would have been either injured or killed by the same bullet. A right side shot would have been much tougher due to the obstacles in place.

    There was another documentary that came out about 5 mos ago...it was on either A&E or the Discovery channel. They attempted the same reenactment...but they used a more credible "skull and body" recreation and their placement of the people in the car and the position of the car was more specific.

    They too, produced results similar to that of last nights show. What they also proved was that the "Single-Bullet Theory" was possible under the same conditions.

    I'm not saying case closed but, it certainly does make for some very interesting discussions.
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    Good points regarding hitting Mrs. Kennedy. It seems a shot from the Knoll , UNLESS, it was an exploding bullet, would have hit Mrs. Kennedy upon exit. In the Men Who Killed Kennedy, a medical intern at Parkland Hospital and a Ford Motor Company Glass specialist state that there was a bullet hole in the windshield which indicated a shot from the front. This shot would have to have been from the south knoll and this shot would also have to have cleared Greer, Kellerman and Governor Connelly as well. But that does not seem to be the problem according to the producers of Tech. in "Tech", Gary Mack and the rifle expert propose such a shot but ignore the evidence of the bullet hole from the front, as reported by the intern and Ford employee. The windshield, like so many other pieces of evidence was destroyed, so all we have are these two peoples written and oral testimony. Which is enough for me to at least further doubt the story that I already believe is a lie.

    Just another nail in the coffin so to speak.

    Also, in "Tech" notice how the fatal head shot is not shown and listen to the nonsense about "someone" cleaning the blood from the car. Come on, "someone"? The government is the someone. They had control of the crime scene from second one.

    They brush this off just like so many other aspects of this case. Missing brain. "woops", sorry. Unbelievable.


    How anyone can believe the governments official version is beyond me.

    "Tech" shows the position the government is in. They are desperate to cover this thing up.
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    Saw the website...nice try but no cigar...

    http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=847

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    Is nonsense. The government must be getting desperate! Most people do not believe their nonsensical story as outlined in the Warren Report, so they have to keep trying to cover the assassination of Kennedy up.

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