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    Finding A Dedicated President.

    Interested in hearing opinions regarding the following: I am aware of many personal sentiments regarding Professional Politicans, but would appreciate as objective remarks as the individual, circumstance allows.

    1. why do you think that an individual REALLY desires to be the U.S. President?
    As well, comments regarding the OTHER Political Offices.

    2. Do you think that an individual should have a College/University level education to be President. Why?

    3. Most Presidential indivduals now prove to be Professional Lawyers. Some are Economist. One, Ronald Reagan, was a Movie Actor. Harry Truman was a Haberdasher; Men's Hats Specialist. I am not sure, but I think both of these men had only a High School Education.

    4. In your opinion, how long should a person be allowed to be in Office before they are deemd incompetent and should be removed from the Chief Executive position?

    5. What is your opinion regarding the source of these individual's Campaign Contriutions and the influence that it has upon the individual so receiving these funds. Especially regarding determining their actions and judgements once they enter office?

    6. what is a possible and practical alternative to these individuals campaigning and advertising theirself other than accepting large sums of money to pay for media advertisement, travel and living expenses?
    This being a suggested sensible solution to denying acceptance of "public funds". That is funds as they are ordinarily know to be given now, by businesses and individuals.

    7. do you feel that retired professional Military Service Individuals are good Presidential material? Why, or why not?
    Last edited by coontie; 06-13-2008 at 11:57 AM.
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    Re: Finding A Dedicated President.

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    Interested in hearing opinions regarding the following: I am aware of many personal sentiments regarding Professional Politicans, but would appreciate as objective remarks as the individual, circumstance allows.

    1. why do you think that an individual REALLY desires to be the U.S. President?
    As well, comments regarding the OTHER Political Offices.

    2. Do you think that an individual should have a College/University level education to be President. Why?

    3. Most Presidential indivduals now prove to be Professional Lawyers. Some are Economist. One, Ronald Reagan, was a Movie Actor. Harry Truman was a Haberdasher; Men's Hats Specialist. I am not sure, but I think both of these men had only a High School Education.

    4. In your opinion, how long should a person be allowed to be in Office before they are deemd incompetent and should be removed from the Chief Executive position?

    5. What is your opinion regarding the source of these individual's Campaign Contriutions and the influence that it has upon the individual so receiving these funds. Especially regarding determining their actions and judgements once they enter office?

    6. what is a possible and practical alternative to these individuals campaigning and advertising theirself other than accepting large sums of money to pay for media advertisement, travel and living expenses?
    This being a suggested sensible solution to denying acceptance of "public funds". That is funds as they are ordinarily know to be given now, by businesses and individuals.

    7. do you feel that retired professional Military Service Individuals are good Presidential material? Why, or why not?
    Way to go Coontie. I just hope that we can keep it on a decent level and discus it as grown ups. Now this should really make some interesting reading. So as not to strain this tired old brain of mine I will answer only one at a time or perhaps daily.

    Question # 1. Personally I do believe that a good many politicians start off wanting to do good and make a difference in their town, county or state. As they are able to rise in office a good many of them soon realize that there is one thing that they have and increases as they rise higher and become more popular.

    That one thing is "POWER ". As soon as they realize this factor they soon start looking towards the upper levels and thinking that one day they to may be the "Man" in that oval office. The greatest majority of them can probably tell you without a moments hesitation just what all of the benefits are when someone becomes President.

    As power and greed go hand in hand. it would be those two reasons whether knowlingly or subconsiciously in my opinion why they aspire to become the President.

    A little after thought here. A truly dedicated president would be willing to work for minimum wages and no benefits. And I sincerely doubt if there is a politician alive today that is " Dedicated " JMO
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    Re: Finding A Dedicated President.

    Not much response. That is seemingly a great deal of the problem... Most people do not care to take direct, personal interest in these matters. But they like to gripe and complain about ALL the Social Issues that go awry because of the Politicians that are "supposedly" installed into office with their votes.
    Well, again, as the saying goes: "most people get what they deserve, in the end!"
    The key word in this regard is COMPLACENCY. And it amounts to the majority of people just wanting to maintain status-quo and depend upon someone else/others, to remedy social problems. No wonder our country is in such serious decline! WHich I most certainly do not take personal pleasure in such!
    Last edited by coontie; 06-14-2008 at 10:33 AM.
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    Re: Finding A Dedicated President.

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    Interested in hearing opinions regarding the following: I am aware of many personal sentiments regarding Professional Politicans, but would appreciate as objective remarks as the individual, circumstance allows.

    1. why do you think that an individual REALLY desires to be the U.S. President?
    As well, comments regarding the OTHER Political Offices.

    2. Do you think that an individual should have a College/University level education to be President. Why?

    3. Most Presidential indivduals now prove to be Professional Lawyers. Some are Economist. One, Ronald Reagan, was a Movie Actor. Harry Truman was a Haberdasher; Men's Hats Specialist. I am not sure, but I think both of these men had only a High School Education.

    4. In your opinion, how long should a person be allowed to be in Office before they are deemd incompetent and should be removed from the Chief Executive position?

    5. What is your opinion regarding the source of these individual's Campaign Contriutions and the influence that it has upon the individual so receiving these funds. Especially regarding determining their actions and judgements once they enter office?

    6. what is a possible and practical alternative to these individuals campaigning and advertising theirself other than accepting large sums of money to pay for media advertisement, travel and living expenses?
    This being a suggested sensible solution to denying acceptance of "public funds". That is funds as they are ordinarily know to be given now, by businesses and individuals.

    7. do you feel that retired professional Military Service Individuals are good Presidential material? Why, or why not?
    Question # 2. A college degree should be the goal of every one and that includes anyone running for any public office. I'm not talking about a degree in law. Or even a 4 year degree. I do not believe that it is how much education a person has that makes him or her smart or better suited to be in office. It would help to have at least a 2 year degree at the least though. I believe that it all boils down to one fact. Does that person want to serve his or her country or themselves. Guess which one it has been so far folks.

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    Re: Finding A Dedicated President.

    hahaha, aint NEVAH GONNA HAPPEN.... they are all working for the Global Elites... wake up already, cant you see where the country is? it is going to get worse!

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    Re: Finding A Dedicated President.

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    1. why do you think that an individual REALLY desires to be the U.S. President?
    As well, comments regarding the OTHER Political Offices.
    I have to agree with Old Timer here. While they may start out idealistic... wanting to actually serve, they are corrupted by power early on and eventually end up serving themselves more than their constituents.

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    2. Do you think that an individual should have a College/University level education to be President. Why?
    Yes. Aside from the 'formal education' aspects... an individual who has earned a degree has, IMO, proven they can work within a system to achieve their goal. For the most part degreed individuals are better communicators and show a better grasp of interpersonal relations (handy tools when it comes to pushing legislation).

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    3. Most Presidential indivduals now prove to be Professional Lawyers. Some are Economist. One, Ronald Reagan, was a Movie Actor. Harry Truman was a Haberdasher; Men's Hats Specialist. I am not sure, but I think both of these men had only a High School Education.

    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    4. In your opinion, how long should a person be allowed to be in Office before they are deemd incompetent and should be removed from the Chief Executive position?
    at least through their first (or only) four year term. They may need time to 'clean up' their predecessor's mess before they can actually begin to have any kind of effect on any issues.
    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    5. What is your opinion regarding the source of these individual's Campaign Contriutions and the influence that it has upon the individual so receiving these funds. Especially regarding determining their actions and judgements once they enter office?
    I don't believe the problem actually rests with the candidate... I believe it is more the fault(?) of the donor. They expect something in return for their "investment". Not that all recipients are guiltless... I just feel it's more the donor's.
    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    6. what is a possible and practical alternative to these individuals campaigning and advertising theirself other than accepting large sums of money to pay for media advertisement, travel and living expenses?
    This being a suggested sensible solution to denying acceptance of "public funds". That is funds as they are ordinarily know to be given now, by businesses and individuals.
    In a country this size... with somewhere in the area of 300 million population... mass media is the only way to reach them... and it is expensive. I don't see the media cutting them any discounts.
    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    7. do you feel that retired professional Military Service Individuals are good Presidential material? Why, or why not?
    Yes I do. generals are not only accustomed to dealing with politicians and bureaucracy, but they also understand the workings of the military... something the Commander in Chief needs to know. Plus, military men are accustomed to 'chain of command' and responsibility for one's actions.

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    Re: Finding A Dedicated President.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM View Post
    I have to agree with Old Timer here. While they may start out idealistic... wanting to actually serve, they are corrupted by power early on and eventually end up serving themselves more than their constituents.



    Yes. Aside from the 'formal education' aspects... an individual who has earned a degree has, IMO, proven they can work within a system to achieve their goal. For the most part degreed individuals are better communicators and show a better grasp of interpersonal relations (handy tools when it comes to pushing legislation).





    at least through their first (or only) four year term. They may need time to 'clean up' their predecessor's mess before they can actually begin to have any kind of effect on any issues.

    I don't believe the problem actually rests with the candidate... I believe it is more the fault(?) of the donor. They expect something in return for their "investment". Not that all recipients are guiltless... I just feel it's more the donor's.

    In a country this size... with somewhere in the area of 300 million population... mass media is the only way to reach them... and it is expensive. I don't see the media cutting them any discounts.


    Yes I do. generals are not only accustomed to dealing with politicians and bureaucracy, but they also understand the workings of the military... something the Commander in Chief needs to know. Plus, military men are accustomed to 'chain of command' and responsibility for one's actions.
    Love your explanations Paul. I do think that you have put it a lot better than I could have. But I still gotta try. I never finished college. Heck I flunked sandbox in kindrgarden

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    Re: Finding A Dedicated President.

    Good post "PaulM"... Thanks.

    I think you're correct, re: Military Service... I would say Ten years or better. And Officer or Advanced Enlisted with AT LEAST two years formal education beyond High School. Combat Experience is a plus and duty in a position other than a "Desk Job".Of course there is lots of Education received in the Military Serivice that an individual does not get credit for.That is aside from after hours College/University Courses. It is too bad that the credits for this sort of education cannot be carried forth to civilian life. However, yes, you're correct; Military Experience is a good Education within itself.
    As well, other than Education, I think it is important that an individual is truly a dedicated American Citizen that is proud of the Nation and that understands that the masses of people are the strong fabric that constitutes and holds together the nation. It is really shameful how many men so far have served in the Chief Executive oposition of President and have proven through their attitude and bearing, in how they have performed their duties in office, that they have demonstrated otherwise. I think that is where what O.T. said in regard to an individual's bearing being self serving.
    I think a TRUE PUBLIC SERVANT is an individual that has an intense desire to make a personal sacrifice for the good of the nation and its people. I am not sure how many Americans we have presently living that are of this merit and nature.
    All of this has to do with ethics, loyalty and honesty. Personal faculaties and traits, aside from education that are so very important.
    I have always liked the words: Duty; Honor; Country. With this vision, any person that takes a political office should be capable of performing in an respectful and admirable manner.
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    Good post "PaulM"... Thanks.

    I think you're correct, re: Military Service... I would say Ten years or better. And Officer or Advanced Enlisted with AT LEAST two years formal education beyond High School. Combat Experience is a plus and duty in a position other than a "Desk Job".Of course there is lots of Education received in the Military Serivice that an individual does not get credit for.That is aside from after hours College/University Courses. It is too bad that the credits for this sort of education cannot be carried forth to civilian life. However, yes, you're correct; Military Experience is a good Education within itself.
    As well, other than Education, I think it is important that an individual is truly a dedicated American Citizen that is proud of the Nation and that understands that the masses of people are the strong fabric that constitutes and holds together the nation. It is really shameful how many men so far have served in the Chief Executive oposition of President and have proven through their attitude and bearing, in how they have performed their duties in office, that they have demonstrated otherwise. I think that is where what O.T. said in regard to an individual's bearing being self serving.
    I think a TRUE PUBLIC SERVANT is an individual that has an intense desire to make a personal sacrifice for the good of the nation and its people. I am not sure how many Americans we have presently living that are of this merit and nature.
    All of this has to do with ethics, loyalty and honesty. Personal faculaties and traits, aside from education that are so very important.
    I have always liked the words: Duty; Honor; Country. With this vision, any person that takes a political office should be capable of performing in an respectful and admirable manner.
    Coontie for President

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    Re: Finding A Dedicated President.

    Thanks but no thanks - appreciate the idea. However, I will continue to try and do my work privately, for the good of the country, as I always have. Served in the Air Force 14 years; in Combat 5 years in Viet Nam and have been all over the world, have strived, as an individual to be a positive image for our country - not the so called "ugle American" like some I've seen. There are some ugly foreigners, as well, from what I have experienced. Along with a majority of very nice and good people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    Thanks but no thanks - appreciate the idea. However, I will continue to try and do my work privately, for the good of the country, as I always have. Served in the Air Force 14 years; in Combat 5 years in Viet Nam and have been all over the world, have strived, as an individual to be a positive image for our country - not the so called "ugle American" like some I've seen. There are some ugly foreigners, as well, from what I have experienced. Along with a majority of very nice and good people.
    I am afraid that you will find that situation ( good & bad ) no matter where you go. All we can do is try to make the best of it that we can and hope that if we can leave a positive impression then maybe it will be passed on to someone else and so on. Are ya sure ya don't want the job???????:spin2: You would beat the hell out ot the choices we have.
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    I definitely agree with the military experience.

    I think that the four-year term with a possiblity of another four-year term should be replaced with one six-year term.

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    Re: Finding A Dedicated President.

    Good idea. As well, think it would be good to have a "youth-corp" for young people, just after they graduate from High School. As well, for those that don't complete but have taken some High School, but indications of not going on to completion.
    The Youth Corp arrangement would be mandatory for two years. Then, they could get out and some of the education received therein could be credited toward High School completion or College. Or, those that so desired could go on into the Military Branch of their choice. But Military Service wouldn't be mandatory. Especially service to a combat area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coontie View Post
    Good idea. As well, think it would be good to have a "youth-corp" for young people, just after they graduate from High School. As well, for those that don't complete but have taken some High School, but indications of not going on to completion.
    The Youth Corp arrangement would be mandatory for two years. Then, they could get out and some of the education received therein could be credited toward High School completion or College. Or, those that so desired could go on into the Military Branch of their choice. But Military Service wouldn't be mandatory. Especially service to a combat area.
    And limited terms for ALL politicians. Good way to find out who wants to serve their country.

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