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    What happend during 9/11?

    After watching this video... im not prepaired to critize it without hearing what others have to say



    It's called Loose Change 2nd Edition...

    After watching the movie... you'd be surprised with the amount of evidence this group has compiled...

    but please... before commenting... watch the movie...
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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    no one can comment on a question like that? Why not?
    Im surprised galaxy or wiz never showed up to respond first.....:zzzz:
    So what happened on 911? Paul, you go first....
    Whats Pauls take on 911?
    Wiz and sink next. :heart:
    Then Pugs turn :whip:

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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    I have watched both of the Loose Change video. They do raise some interesting points.

    Here is a pretty good answer of the 911 questions, topic by topic:

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html

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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    Anyone can take a logical, simple process and apply ILLOGICAL and nonsensical beliefs to it and arrive at a wrong answer.

    For example.
    A bird flies, because it flaps its wings and creates lift, overcomes gravity and drag..etc

    OR

    A bird flies, because when its wings flap it creates anti-gravity fields that negate the effects of gravity

    In the same manner, 9/11 wierdo's come up with illogical answers to questions that already have answers.

    As in, what hit the pentagon? A plane? Or is a massive cover-up and a missle hit it even though there is only flickering evidence to support anything in that direction.

    How about this example...just because something is not REPORTED in the news in enough detail does not suddenly mean something is being covered up.

    A Robber breaks down the door of a house and ties up the owner and robs the house. News reports what was stolen and his description.

    So , now , if we are 9/11 crazies, we must assume that since there is no EVIDENCE he drove a car there, and since EVERYONE usually drives cars, and the media didn't REPORT he drove a car, that instead he was beamed there by martians.

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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    rut roh!....watch out!...SoulBore is going to call you a liar, tell you to go to confession, claim victory...and all without posting a single fact. And, he does all this wearing the latest in tin foil Chapeaus

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    FBI Agents Probing Terror Links Say They Were Told, ‘Let Sleeping Dogs Lie’

    — Two veteran FBI investigators say they were ordered to stop investigations
    into a suspected terror cell linked to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network and the September 11 attacks.


    In a dramatic interview with ABCNEWS, FBI special agents and partners Robert Wright and John Vincent
    say they were called off criminal investigations of suspected terrorists tied to the deadly bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa.
    U.S. officials say al Qaeda was responsible for the embassy attacks and the September 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.

    "September the 11th is a direct result of the incompetence of the FBI's International Terrorism Unit.
    No doubt about that. Absolutely no doubt about that," Wright said. "You can't know the things I know and not go public."

    In the mid-1990s, with growing terrorism in the Middle East,
    the two Chicago-based agents were assigned to track a connection to Chicago,
    a suspected terrorist cell that would later lead them to a link with Osama bin Laden.
    Wright says that when he pressed for authorization to open a criminal investigation into the money trail,
    his supervisor stopped him.

    "Do you know what his response was? 'I think it's just better to let sleeping dogs lie,'" said Wright.
    "Those dogs weren't sleeping. They were training. They were getting ready."

    The FBI says its handling of the matter was appropriate at the time.

    "Truthfully, if 9/11 had not occurred, we wouldn't be here [giving the interview]," said Vincent,
    a 27-year veteran at the bureau until he retired a few days after being interviewed by ABCNEWS.
    "Because of 9/11, we're here because we see the danger."


    ‘You Will Not Open Criminal Investigations’

    The suspected terrorist cell in Chicago was the basis of the investigation, yet Wright, who remains with the FBI,
    says he soon discovered that all the FBI intelligence division wanted him to do was to follow suspected terrorists and file reports
    — but make no arrests.

    "The supervisor who was there from headquarters was right straight across from me and started yelling at me:
    'You will not open criminal investigations. I forbid any of you.
    You will not open criminal investigations against any of these intelligence subjects,'" Wright said.

    Even though they were on a terrorism task force and said they had proof of criminal activity,
    Wright said he was told not to pursue the matter.

    In 1998 al Qaeda terrorists bombed two American embassies in Africa.
    The agents say some of the money for the attacks led back to the people they had been tracking in Chicago
    and to a powerful Saudi Arabian businessman, Yassin al-Kadi. Al-Kadi is one of 12 Saudi businessmen
    suspected of funneling millions of dollars to al Qaeda and who had extensive business and financial ties in Chicago.

    Yet, even after the bombings, Wright said FBI headquarters wanted no arrests.

    "Two months after the embassies are hit in Africa, they wanted to shut down the criminal investigation," said Wright.
    "They wanted to kill it."

    The move outraged Chicago federal prosecutor Mark Flessner, who was assigned to the case despite efforts
    Wright and Vincent say were made by superiors to block the probe.
    Flessner said Wright and Vincent were helping him build a strong criminal case against al-Kadi and others.

    "There were powers bigger than I was in the Justice Department and within the FBI
    that simply were not going to let it [the building of a criminal case] happen.
    And it didn't happen, " Flessner said.

    He said he still couldn't figure out why Washington stopped the case
    — whether it was Saudi influence or bureaucratic ineptitude.

    "I think there were very serious mistakes made," said Flessner.
    "And I think, it perhaps cost, it cost people their lives ultimately."


    Muslim Agent Refused to Record Fellow Muslim, Agent Says

    Perhaps most astounding of the many mistakes, according to Flessner and an affidavit filed by Wright,
    is how an FBI agent named Gamal Abdel-Hafiz seriously damaged the investigation. Wright says Abdel-Hafiz, who is Muslim,
    refused to secretly record one of al-Kadi's suspected associates, who was also Muslim. Wright says Abdel-Hafiz told him,
    Vincent and other agents that "a Muslim doesn't record another Muslim."

    "He wouldn't have any problems interviewing or recording somebody who wasn't a Muslim,
    but he could never record another Muslim," said Vincent.

    Wright said he "was floored" by Abdel-Hafiz's refusal and immediately called the FBI headquarters.
    Their reaction surprised him even more: "The supervisor from headquarters says, 'Well, you have to understand where he's coming from, Bob.
    ' I said no, no, no, no, no. I understand where I'm coming from," said Wright.
    "We both took the same damn oath to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic, and he just said no?
    No way in hell."

    Far from being reprimanded, Abdel-Hafiz was promoted to one of the FBI's most important anti-terrorism posts,
    the American Embassy in Saudi Arabia, to handle investigations for the FBI in that Muslim country.

    The FBI said it was unaware of the allegations against the Muslim agent when he was sent to Saudi Arabia
    or of two similar incidents described to ABCNEWS by agents in New York and Tampa, Fla.
    They said Abdel-Hafiz contributed significantly to many successful terror investigations.

    In a statement to ABCNEWS, the FBI also defended the agent, saying he had a right to refuse
    because the undercover recording was supposed to take place in a mosque.

    But former prosecutor Flessner said that was a lie and the mosque was never part of the plan.

    "What he [Abdel-Hafiz] said was, it was against his religion to record another Muslim.
    I was dumbfounded by that response," said Flessner.
    "And I had perfectly appropriate conversations with the supervisors of his home office and nothing came of it."

    Closing In on Bin Laden Money Trail

    On Sept. 11, 2001, the two agents watched the terror attacks in horror,
    worried that men they could have stopped years earlier may have been involved.

    The White House confirmed their fears. One month after the attacks, the U.S. government officially identified al-Kadi
    — the same man the FBI had ordered Wright and Vincent to leave alone years earlier
    — as one of bin Laden's important financiers.

    Al-Kadi told ABCNEWS he can prove his total innocence, repeatedly denying, from his office in Riyadh,
    any connection to bin Laden or al Qaeda.

    "Not even one cent went to Osama bin Laden," he said.

    But on Dec. 6, U.S. Customs agents, as part of their own investigation, conducted a midnight search
    of a Boston-area company believed to be secretly owned and controlled by al-Kadi.

    The company provides computer software to the FBI and other key federal agencies,
    which means al-Kadi and his employees could have had access to some of the government's most sensitive secrets.

    Al-Kadi is on the U.S. government's "dirty dozen" list of leading terror financiers being investigated by the CIA.
    The federal government says it is pursuing possible criminal charges.

    "I was relieved that Customs was picking it up … where we failed big time," said Wright. "There's so much more.
    God, there's so much more. A lot more."

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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    Ptech

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    On November 6th, 2002 the FBI raided a Boston-area computer software firm looking for evidence that the company, which does business with key government agencies, might have links to Osama bin Laden's terror network. This company was Ptech from Quincy, Massachusetts. The investigation was part of a broader Customs-led program known as "Operation Green Quest", a multiagency task force that has served 114 search warrants since September 11th, which has resulted in 50 arrests, 28 indictments and the seizure of about $27.4 million until the end of 2002. Source: http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,56758,00.html
    (-> Boston-connection, ->Massachusetts-connection) Ptech's customers are: AAA Michigan, ABN AMRO, Aetna, Allegheny Energy Supply, Applied Materials, Booz Allen Hamilton, Edward Jones, Faa, FBI, Fleet Securities, IBM Global Services, IRS, Meijer, The Mitre Corporation, MetLife, Motorola, NATO, NAVAIR, OneBeacon Insurance Group, Price waterhouse Coopers, Southern California Edison, Sprint, SYSCO, WSIB, US Air Force, US Department of Energy, US Department of Education, US Department of Veteran Affairs, US House of Representatives, USDA Forest Service, US Postal Service, and Weyerhaeuser Source: http://www.ptechinc.com/01/abou/abou.comp.asp
    Ignored from the mainstream press are background details on this company. The so called "secret owner", Yassin al-Kadi (->), one of 12 Saudi businessmen accused of funneling millions of dollars to al Qaeda, was well known in investigative circles. The Washington Post reported later, that public documents filed in Massachusetts showed that Ptech leased much of its office and computer equipment using financing provided by BMI Finance and Investment, a firm that was partly financed by Al-Qaeda and which shared office space in New Jersey with Kadi International. BMI was financed by Marzook (a US Designated Terrorist); Yassin Kadi, financier of HAMAS terrorist Mohammad Salah, and two siblings of Osama bin Laden. BMI has developed property in Indianapolis, IN, Baltimore, MD and other locations. The development schemes parallel those of QLI and Golden Marble, Inc. (above)." Source: http://www.judicialwatch.org/cases/7...scomplaint.htm
    Ignored from mainstream media and US Congress it was known, that a whistleblower told the FBI already on Ptechs connections to Yasin al-Qadi in October 2001! Source: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/34...ch_tips+.shtml
    But already in 1998 ex-FBI agent Robert Wright (->) was sabotaged on investigations on Yassin Kadi. Chicago-based special agent Robert Wright had accused the FBI of shutting down his 1998 criminal probe into alleged terrorist-training camps in Chicago and Kansas City, which he linked to Hamas that time. Source: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php
    "Wright is the only FBI agent to seize terrorist funds (over $1.4 million) from U.S.-based Middle Eastern terrorists using federal civil forfeiture statutes, prior to the September 11th attacks. The original source of the funds was Yassin Kadi, a Saudi businessman, who is reportedly a financier of Osama bin Laden." Source: http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml

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    Yassin Al-Kadi - 9/11 Encyclopedia

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    In 2001-2002, saudi arabian businessman Yassin Al-Kadi (also spelled Yasin al-Qadi) has repeatedly denied any connection to bin Laden,
    but he was already on the U.S. government's "dirty dozen" list of leading terror financiers who are being investigated by the CIA.



    Al-Kadi's accounts have been frozen by the United States, as shown at the executive order 13224: AL-QADI, Yasin
    (a.k.a. KADI, Shaykh Yassin Abdullah; a.k.a. KAHDI, Yasin), Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (individual) 10-12-01 http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sanctions/terrorism.html

    Kadi made news again in December 2002, when he was linked as the secret owner of the computer company Ptech from Boston.
    Kadi has served as a director of Global Mining Resources, based in Nevada, since December 1998.


    He is Chairman of Saudi National Consulting Center and Qordoba Real Estate Co. based in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Chairman of Caravan Co. based in Turkey, board member of Himont Chemical based in Pakistan and Cariba Bank based in Kazakhstan and on the Board of Directors as the nominee of New Diamond Holdings Limited.
    Source: http://biz.yahoo.com/p/g/gdrs.ob.html

    Kadi, who co-owns the Karavan Construction company and heads the Saudi-based Muwafaq charity foundation,
    is on the 12 October (2001) U.S. Government list of individuals and organizations suspected of having terrorist links."
    http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/20...2002113045.asp
    http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=18911



    Another name for the Muwafaq charity foundation is "Blessed Relief", which was registered in the Channel Islands in 1992 and run from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. This was already found out in the 911-lawsuit (->) against Saudi Arabia at point 1068 ff. The charity was endowed by Defendant Khalid bin Mahfouz (->), another official al Qaeda banker, and run by Yassin al-Kadi.


    Khalid bin Mahfouz's son, Abdulrahman bin Mahfouz, is a director of the Muwafeq charity. Mahfouz indirectly investigated in President George Bush's first company Arbusto, with the help of his financeer James R Bath (-> Bath, ->BCCI).
    Point 1070 of the 911 Saudi-indictment says: "Yassin Al-Kadi ran the charity from 1992 until around 1997 with $15 million to $20 million
    of his own money along with contributions from other wealthy associates.



    Millions of dollars have been transferred to Osama bin Laden through Blessed Relief. An audit of the Defendant National Commercial Bank of Saudi Arabia in the mid-1990s, which was then run by Khalid bin Salim bin Mahfouz, reveals the transfer of $3 million for Osama bin Laden that traveled from the accounts of wealthy Saudi businessmen to Blessed Relief."


    Point 1075:
    "Yassin Abdullah al-Kadi is the Vice President of the Saudi Arabian company M.M. Badkook Co. for Catering & Trading, owned by his partner in Blessed Relief, Talal Mohammed Badkook. Talal Badkook is a member of the Al-Mustaqbal group
    along with Saleh Mohamed bin Laden, son of Mohammed bin Laden, and Abdullah Saleh Kamel, son of Saleh Kamel, who is the chairman of the Dallah al-Baraka." Point 1076: Yassin al-Kadi is the Chairman of the National Management Consultancy Center (NMCC)



    in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. NMCC lists the address PO Box 214, Jeddah, which is the same address listed on Muwafaq's Delaware corporate records.
    Yassin al-Kadi's address is P.O. Box 214, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia 21411.
    Source: http://law.about.com/library/911/bly...?terms=al-kadi
    http://law.about.com/library/911/blsaudi.htm (-> lawsuits)


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    FBI Robert Wright


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    In Fall 2001, ex-FBI agent Robert Wright started to accuse the US Justice Department, that they had blocked his early warnings (->) on a pending attack on the United States. Already in Summer 2001, Wright asked former Top Prosecutor David Schippers (Chicago attorney who was the House Republicans' counsel during President Bill Clinton's impeachment) for help, who himself tried to reach John Ashcroft (->) for weeks- without any success. In March 2002, Robert Wright, in the meantime supported by watchgroup Judicial Watch (->), gave a press conference on C|Span, announcing a lawsuit. Source: http://www.judicialwatch.org/1567.shtml

    However his case had been ignored in the US Congress and Mainstream Press. Finally, in May 2002, when other early warnings of FBI agents became popular (Phoenix-Memo, Kenneth Williams ->, Colleen Rowley->), the Washington Post wrote about Wrights lawsuit against the FBI.

    Wright accused the FBI of violating his First Amendment rights by prohibiting him from making his complaints public.

    He had written a 500-page manuscript titled "Fatal Betrayals of the Intelligence Mission", which he tried to release as a book in October 2001. The FBI blocked the release of this book.

    Special Agent Wright was already taken off a Hamas investigation in August 1999. Wright's lawsuit was filed one day after the FBI was chastised by US Congress for failing to more aggressively look into a July 2001 recommendation from its Phoenix field office that U.S. aviation schools should be canvassed for Middle Eastern men seeking flight training.

    Schippers, his lawyer, later leaked to the press, that Wright was even one of 10 FBI agents, who knew time and place of the pending attacks on Twin Towers and Pentagon.

    On September 11th, 2002, Judicial Watch released updates on the case of Robert Wright.

    Now it was reported, that Wright was the only FBI agent to seize terrorist funds (over $1.4 million) from U.S.-based Middle Eastern terrorists using federal civil forfeiture statutes, prior to the September 11th attacks.

    The original source of the funds was Yassin Kadi (->), a Saudi businessman, who was reportedly a financier of Osama bin Laden.

    Wright pointed to recent misconduct and falsifications of wiretap warrant applications by FBI agents (signed-off by the former FBI Director, Louis Freeh ->) to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court. Prior to September 11th, SA Wright alleged FBI intelligence agents lied and hid vital records from criminal agents for the purpose of obstructing his criminal investigation of the terrorists in order to protect their "subjects," and prolong their intelligence operations.

    Wrights accusations sounded similar like of John ONeill, who dramatically died in the Twin Towers, after he resigned from his job at the FBI only a few weeks before.

    Wright continued to claim, that ITU's (International Terrorism Unit) incompetence and repeated failures to support criminal investigations contributed directly to the "deaths of five Americans".

    The FBI continued to illegally refuse the release of SA Wright's 500 page manuscript, Fatal Betrayals of the Intelligence Mission. In fact, the FBI refused to turn the manuscript over to
    Sen. Richard C. Shelby, Vice Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Commitee, charged with investigating the FBI's intelligence failures. Source: http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml

    Judicial Watch released parts of Wrights book in "Fatal Neglect - A Judicial Watch Publication" http://www.judicialwatch.org/store/fatalneglect.shtml

    FOX TV on Wright: Only on Fox News' "Fox Wire" with Rita Cosby 10:00 p.m. ET, Saturday, June 1st "FBI Whistleblower, Special Agent Robert Wright reveals rampant FBI negligence and obstruction of counter terrorism criminal investigations involving Hamas & al-Qaida that could have prevented the September 11th terrorist attacks"

    In March 2003,NY POST-columnist Daniel Pipes (->) wrote on on Robert Wright and his sabotaged investigation on Gamal Abdel-Hafiz (BMI Inc.) and asked: "When will the FBI permit Wright to speak freely about these matters?" http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/70708.htm

    FBI Told to stop investigations on al Qaeda - September 11


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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by LogicallyYours View Post
    I have watched both of the Loose Change video. They do raise some interesting points.

    Here is a pretty good answer of the 911 questions, topic by topic:

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html
    More like, heres a three stooges answer!!!
    Loose change rules!
    Dylan Avery shows his true colers.....:sunglasses:

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    What happened on 9/11? We were attacked by 19 Muslim fanatics who, along with millions of other Muslim fanatics, are at war with us because we're infidels and their religion commands our conversion, subjugation, or death. Oh, and they wanted to get their nookie on with some afterlife virgins.
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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by soulbro View Post
    More like, heres a three stooges answer!!!
    Loose change rules!
    Dylan Avery shows his true colers.....:sunglasses:
    Once again, Soulbore ignores data that proves him wrong.

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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    sink have I beat ur ass laztely? U cant post sink! You can't! Don't cry cause your pink sink. I do know what aho u are. pink sink. Y U hang with paul who's such a crawl I ll never know...ur busted, both of you, boom,boomboom,,booon,boom,boomboom,boom!
    G0o to hell sinks bad spell, a gone wrong demon song.......:drunk:

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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    Same here....all you have is conjecture. The other side has facts that explain with happened. You have bupkiss.

    Independent investigation support to the official story. Again, the Popular Mechanics debunking of your myth is complete. Also "Debunking 9/11"...buy it, read it.....LEARN SOMETHING.

    You are left holding a bag smelly uninformed nonsense. Oh wait, maybe its not the bag....

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    is this paulcrawls new girlfriend?

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    Re: What happend during 9/11?

    Quote Originally Posted by soulbro View Post
    sink have I beat ur ass laztely? U cant post sink! You can't! Don't cry cause your pink sink. I do know what aho u are. pink sink. Y U hang with paul who's such a crawl I ll never know...ur busted, both of you, boom,boomboom,,booon,boom,boomboom,boom!
    G0o to hell sinks bad spell, a gone wrong demon song.......:drunk:
    what is that more of your bible babble speaking in tongues?

    As the bumper sticker says, ""God loves you, the rest of think you're and a$$hole"

    You do say some very odd things. Do the doctors know you access their computer when they are "off grounds"?
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