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    Micheal Moore's movie SICKO

    Did anyone see this? What where your thoughts? Did you see Micheal Moore on Operah last week?

    What do you think about socialized health programs here in the US?

    Would it work?
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    Re: Micheal Moore's movie SICKO

    Did not we have identical post a week ago? Use search dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borisf96 View Post
    Did not we have identical post a week ago? Use search dude.
    Heck, I forgot, I have sleeped 10 times sensne then.. :zzzz:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishyouknew View Post
    Did anyone see this? What where your thoughts? Did you see Micheal Moore on Operah last week?

    What do you think about socialized health programs here in the US?

    Would it work?
    No, it would not work:

    http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=15047

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    Re: Micheal Moore's movie SICKO

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer View Post
    In my opinion, its all speculation until we were to try it.

    I think it would be great to allow US Citizens to keep their existing health plan coverages and allow people to buy into to a Goverment program..

    How is the US able to provide socialized Fire and Police???

    We need to do something to drive the price down..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishyouknew View Post
    In my opinion, its all speculation until we were to try it.

    I think it would be great to allow US Citizens to keep their existing health plan coverages and allow people to buy into to a Goverment program..

    How is the US able to provide socialized Fire and Police???

    We need to do something to drive the price down..
    First you must correctly answer the question - why are the prices so high?

    The answer - BECAUSE OF CURRENT GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT. If you want the whole story you need to read a little more in depth instead of listening to sound bites:

    Harming Our Health
    http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/chap5.html

    Protecting Ourselves to Death
    http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/chap6.html

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    Re: Micheal Moore's movie SICKO

    Quote Originally Posted by Wishyouknew View Post
    How is the US able to provide socialized Fire and Police???
    And they're not doing a good job. Look at the number of corrupt and incompetent cops they're hiring. Look at the corruption in our criminal justice system: http://www.afterinnocence.com

    Socialism does not create efficiency. Look, government needs law enforcement officers, because government has a legitimate role in protecting people from force, fraud or coercion, but using police for anything other than that is not a legitimate government function.

    Neither is it a legitimate government role to provide health care for people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer View Post
    And they're not doing a good job. Look at the number of corrupt and incompetent cops they're hiring. Look at the corruption in our criminal justice system: http://www.afterinnocence.com

    Socialism does not create efficiency. Look, government needs law enforcement officers, because government has a legitimate role in protecting people from force, fraud or coercion, but using police for anything other than that is not a legitimate government function.

    Neither is it a legitimate government role to provide health care for people.


    Nothing is ever perfect.. When ever a Human is involved I understand there will be imperfections..

    I don't think if we have a socialized health care system that it would be perfect either.. But, it would be ALL INCLUSIVE..

    I don't know if this is my American Pride talking.. But, I think the United States of America is the one country that Socialized Health Care would work in..
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    The reason I posted this is because I think it is a interesting debate..

    I am waiting for someone in this presidential debate to come up with a solution that will work for our Health Care problem.


    Pres. Bush obviously has not clue with his VETO of the Childrens Health Care plan..
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    Im all for it but it will never fly in the States sadly enough insurance companys will not be cut out of the loop without a fight and all the politians get paid to well to keep the Insurance companys money flowing would it benifit everyone in the US Yes would it cost us more money yes and no taxes would go up but your 300 dollar plus insurance bill would go away along with copays and everything else so after a few years it would save money starting out costing more. Only reason england and canada do it so well and keep it going is Insurance companys were never really there at the get go and have no monitary reason to pay officals to allow them to start operation. Inless we get a clean group of politians it wont fly greed is a way of keeping everytihng the same give me a time machine and some non crooked politians and we could change it in maybe 100 years lol would be nice but not gonna happen pitiful but just the way it is.

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    If you have cancer and you don't have insurance in the United States of America, you are pretty much a gonner!
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    I enjoyed John Edwards rant last week about corporate greed!... I agree with him. I was amazed that he named companies out by name.. Good for him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishyouknew View Post
    If you have cancer and you don't have insurance in the United States of America, you are pretty much a gonner!
    Here in Delaware, if you don't have any insurance and your low income, you can get Medicaid which is a part of Medicare...but your right anyone with a somewhat decent income wouldn't qualify...either their workplace doesn't offer insurance or they just can't afford it....thats who would benefit from socialized medicine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishyouknew View Post
    Did anyone see this? What where your thoughts? Did you see Micheal Moore on Operah last week?

    What do you think about socialized health programs here in the US?

    Would it work?
    Hardly look to either Moore or Winfrey for any credible information. When you ask what I think of socialized health programs in the US, just what program are you referring to? You see, that's the problem. Tons of politicians preach the need for socialized health care but nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, seems to be able to lay out a detailed program so I can analyse it to see if it makes sense. Some questions that are paramount in my mind are:

    How much will it cost?

    How will that cost be paid for?

    Who will the doctors, nurses, technicians work for?

    How and what will they be paid?

    Who will own the hospitals and all the equipment?

    What will be the impact on the 270,000,000 Americans that now have the best health care in the world?

    Sure, I would love to see the more than thirty million Americans who have no health care be taken care of somehow. But the key word is how. Saying we need health care for everyone does not answer how. In fact it doesn't answer anything. It is simply a snazzy sound bite that gives many of you the idea that because it should be done that it reasonably could be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peregrine View Post
    Here in Delaware, if you don't have any insurance and your low income, you can get Medicaid which is a part of Medicare.
    Quite incorrect. Medicare is paid for by the US government, specifically the social security administration, and medicaid is paid for by the state. One need not be on medicare, which for the most part, other than total dissability, is available only to those over the age of 65, to receive medicaid from the state. My daughter and her kids were on it for a couple years during a bad spell in their lives. And she's decades from qualifying for medicare.

    .but your right anyone with a somewhat decent income wouldn't qualify...either their workplace doesn't offer insurance or they just can't afford it....thats who would benefit from socialized medicine.
    The vast majority of middle class workers who do not have an employer sponsored plan CAN afford health insurance. I can write a husband and wife in thier mid thirties with two children a plan through Aetna, the largest health insurer in the country, a family plan for about three hundred dollars a month. This is an 80/20 plan with a $2500 anual deductible with a maximum $4500 annual out of pocked expense for all copays. Is it perfect? Far from it. But this family will have two important things. One, when they go to the hospital they will have an insurance card from the most reputable insurer in the country to present so they will be admitted. Doctor visits will only cost a $30 copay and prescriptions will cost $15 for generics and no more than $50 for brand names. Two, although not everything is paid for like an employer sponsored plan, they at least will not face bankruptcy should a catastrophic illness or accident occure. If they cannot come up with $4500 in a really bad year of health and accident issues then they are in poverty and will qualify for medicare. May not help everybody but that thirty million without health care will turn into about half that overnight.

    It is rediculous that so many individuals and families simply listen to you folks talk about how unnafordable health insurance is for those without an employer sponsored plan. It's one thing to complain about something but it's another to get off your but and quit listening to political sound bites about the high cost of insurance and do something about it by informing yourself just a little.
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    Re: Micheal Moore's movie SICKO

    Quote Originally Posted by Wishyouknew View Post
    If you have cancer and you don't have insurance in the United States of America, you are pretty much a gonner!
    So get some fvcking insurance. Read the above post.
    The terminally stupid and certifiably insane.

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