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    John Lennon - Still a Security Threat

    Before Iraq, before the Bush Administration, before the Dixie Chicks, Bruce Springsteen, and Pearl Jam … there was John Lennon, the celebrated musical artist who used his fame and his fortune to protest the Vietnam War and advocate for world peace. In the new Lionsgate and VH1 documentary, THE U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON, filmmakers David Leaf and John Scheinfeld trace Lennon’s metamorphosis from lovable “Moptop” to anti-war activist to inspirational icon as they reveal the true story of how and why the U.S. government tried to silence him.

    Primarily focusing on the decade from 1966-1976, THE U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON places Lennon’s activism - and the socio-political upheaval it represented - in the context of the times. It was one of the most fractious periods of American history, dominated by the Vietnam War; the rise of antiwar, civil rights, New Left and other political movements challenging the status quo; the Nixon presidency; revelations of government deception, surveillance and harassment; and Watergate. The film features a large and diverse array of the era’s notable figures, men and women who bear immediate and authoritative witness to specific events as well as to the prevailing climate. Among them: African-American political activists Angela Davis and Bobby Seale; journalists Carl Bernstein and Walter Cronkite; Nixon Administration officials G. Gordon Liddy and John Dean; Vietnam veteran and antiwar activist Ron Kovic; the eminent American historian/novelist Gore Vidal; former New York Governor Mario Cuomo; and three-term Senator and Democratic Presidential candidate George McGovern.

    But it is John Lennon himself who is the documentary’s preeminent voice and galvanizing central presence. With Lennon’s own music providing subtly incisive narration, the film captures a public and private Lennon that many viewers may not know: a principled, funny, and extraordinarily charismatic young man who refused to be silent in the face of injustice. Yoko Ono, Lennon’s wife, creative collaborator and partner in their campaign for peace, has given the filmmakers unprecedented access to the Lennon-Ono archives, enabling them to draw upon never-before seen or heard audiovisual materials in telling their story. And in a series of in-depth interviews, Ono shares her personal memories, evoking as no one else can the realities of the couple’s daily lives; their hopes and happiness; and their long ordeal at the hands of the U.S. government.

    Scrupulously researched and vividly illustrated, THE U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON illuminates a little-known chapter of modern history, when a president and his administration used the machinery of government to wage a covert war against the world’s most popular musician. Exploring an era roiled by many of the same issues confronting us today, THE U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON delivers a tale that speaks powerfully to our own unsettled times.

    THE U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON is produced, directed and written by David Leaf and John Scheinfeld. Executive producers Kevin Beggs, Sandra Stern, Tom Ortenberg, Nick Meyer, Steve Rothenberg, Erik Nelson, Michael Hirschorn, Brad Abramson, and Lauren Lazin.

    “This is a film we’ve wanted to make for a long time,” says David Leaf of THE U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON, his and John Scheinfeld’s account of the United States government’s efforts to deport John Lennon in the early 1970s. “It’s definitely a forgotten story. The vast majority of the people who lived through that period and knew something about the Lennon case haven’t thought about it in a really long time. For anyone born since then, it’s a probably an unknown story. For the most part, what people under 40 know about John Lennon is that he was in the Beatles; he wrote “Imagine,” which they sang in a choir in school; and he was murdered. Other than that, I don’t think people really have a sense as to the courage with which he lived his life and his and Yoko’s willingness to put everything on the line for what they believed in.”

    Early attempts to get the film off the ground in the 1990s were unsuccessful. But the filmmakers found themselves returning to the subject of Lennon’s travails in the wake of 9/11, the Iraq War, and the furor that erupted when entertainment figures spoke out in protest. Recalls Leaf, “We saw what happened when Bill Maher, the Dixie Chicks and other celebrities voiced their opinions regarding the war or the president. We thought by telling this story that took place 35 years ago, we could make a film that was relevant to the dialogue in America today.”

    The events of 35-40 years ago were critical to the filmmakers’ conception of THE U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON. Says Scheinfeld, “This film had to be about the social, political and cultural landscape of America during this period, and what Lennon was stepping into when he took the stance that he did.”

    Securing the cooperation of Yoko Ono was key, a matter of both cinematic necessity and principle. “We don’t do anything that’s not authorized,” notes Leaf. “In order to make a film with all the elements we needed – never-before-seen footage, John Lennon’s music, Yoko Ono’s memory, comments and observations on what happened to them – we had to go to Yoko and tell her, ‘Here’s what we want to do.’”

    In thirteen years as production partners, Leaf and Scheinfeld have worked closely with great performers and their estates to make comprehensive biographical portraits that highlight the creative processes. Ono was familiar with the team’s work, having sat for an interview with Scheinfeld for his recent documentary about singer/songwriter Harry Nilsson, one of Lennon’s favorite artists and a close friend

    With a thorough understanding of the film Leaf and Scheinfeld had in mind, Ono agreed to participate. They began seeking a production partner and distributor, and approached Lionsgate, which was expanding deeper into feature documentaries with the production of Werner Herzog’s acclaimed GRIZZLY MAN and Lian Lunson’s LEONARD COHEN I’M YOUR MAN. They met with Kevin Beggs, President, Programming and Production for Lionsgate Television and head of the company’s documentary feature development and production arm. Though Beggs is a fan of the Beatles and Lennon, he knew little about Lennon’s deportation fight and was fascinated to learn about the shadowy machinations behind it. Beggs remarks, “The story John and David told was both compelling and relevant. We thought, ‘Wow. What a great follow up to not only GRIZZLY MAN but also to LEONARD COHEN.’”

    Lionsgate President Tom Ortenberg agreed. “I thought it was an important story, and I knew David and John would make an informative, provocative and broadly entertaining film. You couldn’t ask for a more charismatic and intriguing subject than John Lennon.”

    Beggs notes that the project’s topical nature was a natural fit for the studio that released not only FAHRENHEIT 9/11, but also CRASH and SECRETARY. “We’re committed to supporting controversial, provocative works that challenge the mainstream,” he affirms. “And nobody, now or then, embodies that spirit more than John Lennon.”

    Kevin Beggs came to VH1 looking for a production and distribution partner and the cable channel signed on as a co-producer. VH1 will air the film commercial free after its theatrical and DVD release as part of its “Rock Docs” franchise, a series of feature length documentaries all revealing an untold story in the history of rock and hip-hop music, combining never-before-seen footage with a unique and unconventional narrative approach.

    “This film is a natural addition to our Rock Docs franchise as we’re committed to providing our viewers with a visual history of some of the most important artists and movements in music. John Lennon was the voice of his generation and his stance against war and the challenges he faced in spreading a message of peace are proving to be a story that’s relevant today and is important to be told,” said Michael Hirschorn, Executive Vice President, Original Production and Programming, VH1.

    THE U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON depicts an era of ongoing challenges to the mainstream as it follows Lennon’s journey from 1966, when he had his first significant brush with controversy in the U.S., to 1976, when he received his green card granting him permanent resident status. The narrative presents both the microcosm of Lennon’s personal experience and the macrocosm of the world in which it took place.

    In tackling the larger historic landscape, Leaf and Scheinfeld sought to interview a broad range of notables whose lives were bound up in the era’s events. Leaf describes their criteria simply: “Who speaks with authority and credibility to what happened? Not somebody who was at a remove from it, not somebody who’s studied it, but somebody who was in the thick of it. We wanted the entire spectrum of participants, from the Nixon administration all the way to the far end of the radical left.”

    The filmmakers had already begun work on the film in April 2005 with an interview of John Sinclair, whose 1969 sentencing on marijuana charges led to the benefit concert that would ultimately changed Lennon’s life. By July 2005, Leaf and Scheinfeld were well into production, and they conducted a remarkable series of interviews into the winter of 2006. The roster includes radical leaders who were targeted by the FBI (Professor Angela Davis, Black Panther founder Bobby Seale, Yippie Stew Albert), as well as two former FBI agents who participated in the bureau’s surveillance operations; former Nixon White House staffers G. Gordon Liddy and John Dean, as well George S. McGovern, Nixon’s Democratic opponent in the 1972 election; Walter Cronkite, the CBS News anchor voted “the most trusted man in America”; and Geraldo Rivera, whose legal representation of the New York Puerto Rican activist group the Young Lords jump-started his journalism career at WABC-Television in 1970.
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    Leaf and Scheinfeld wanted very much to interview former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, who began his legal career in 1958 and served as New York’s Secretary of State from 1975-1978. As it happens, Ortenberg had come to know Cuomo when Lionsgate released the documentary FAHRENHEIT 9/11 in 2002. “I was fortunate enough to become friends with Governor Cuomo through our distribution of FAHRENHEIT 9/11, and we’ve remained good friends to this day,” says Ortenberg. “When this project came to us, I immediately thought of the Governor, who would likely have some very important things to say about that time in American history.”

    Ortenberg phoned Cuomo about appearing in the film, and one day the Governor telephoned Leaf and Scheinfeld. Cuomo had concerns; he hadn’t known Lennon and admitted he wouldn’t necessarily know one Beatles song from another. Recalls Leaf, “He said, ‘Why do you want me?’ I said, ‘We want you to be our Cicero. We want you to talk about the Constitutional issues.’”

    Interviews would sometimes take surprising turns. Leaf cites their session with Vietnam veteran/antiwar activist Ron Kovic, the subject of the film BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY. “When Ron Kovic came for his interview, we had no idea how passionate he was about John Lennon,” Leaf notes. “But we knew who he was and what he had been through, and he brings a moral authority to the story because he actually went to Vietnam and lost the use of half his body because of the experience. He turned out to be, to us, one of the most important people in the movie because he makes such an emotional, visceral connection between the Vietnam War and what happened to John.”

    But the closest perspective on Lennon’s private life comes from Yoko Ono, his partner before, during and after their campaign for peace. Ono sat with Leaf for extended interviews on three separate occasions, the most recent of which took place in March 2006. Comments Scheinfeld, “She really came to trust David and opened up. She is the one person who not only can speak to what happened, but why it happened and what their motivations were, what pressures they felt. Part of the subtext here is a great love story between John and Yoko, and she speaks to that as well.”

    Ono granted the filmmakers unprecedented access to the Lennon estate’s archives, which yielded a tremendous amount of never-before-seen audiovisual materials. THE U.S. VS. JOHN LENNON reveals a couple very much in love, with a playful rapport and a shared dedication to ideals of peace. Notes Scheinfeld, “From almost the time John and Yoko got together officially as a couple, they had cameras around. We had access to a number of unfinished films; finished but unreleased films; home movies; and private wedding photographs. These materials give an idea of what their daily life was like. One of the things you see in this film is the journey that they took together.”

    Lennon himself is the film’s paramount witness, seen and heard in its footage and on the soundtrack. The vast majority of the film’s songs – 37 out of 40 – are culled from his post-Beatles career, and serve to advance the narrative and offer commentary. Comments Leaf, “The songs allow John to speak musically to how he was feeling and what he was thinking at a specific time.” Ono also allowed the filmmakers to use Lennon’s music, stripped of vocals, as underscore.

    By the time they completed the film, Leaf and Scheinfeld had discovered new wrinkles in a saga dating back several decades. Says Leaf, “When we started, we knew what had happened, but we didn’t know exactly why. Why had the U.S. government targeted John Lennon? Why did they see him as such as threat? What was so dangerous about what he was saying? What can we learn from what happened to John Lennon? This movie is an adventure story about what happened to the most famous person in the world when he decided to use his fame to launch a worldwide campaign for peace.”

    by Jon Wiener

    We all know that a key to preventing future terrorist attacks is sharing intelligence with foreign governments. When Justice Department attorneys urge courts not to release national security information provided by a foreign government under a Freedom of Information Act suit, they argue that the courts should defer to the experts in the Department of Homeland Security and the White House.

    But what if such intelligence isn't about today's terrorist threats? What if it's about the antiwar activities of a British rock star during the Vietnam War?

    That's precisely what's at issue in a Freedom of Information Act suit pending before the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The case of John Lennon's FBI files illustrates the federal government's obsession with secrecy, which it justifies with appeals to national security.

    Lennon's story, told in the documentary "The U.S. vs. John Lennon," opening this week in Los Angeles, revolves around his plans to help register young people to vote in the 1972 presidential election, when President Nixon was running for reelection and the war in Vietnam was the issue of the day. Lennon wanted to organize a national concert tour that would combine rock music with antiwar protests and voter registration. Nixon found out about the plan, and the White House began deportation proceedings against Lennon.

    It worked: Lennon never did the tour, and Nixon was reelected.

    Along the way, the FBI spied on and harassed Lennon — and kept detailed files of its work. The bulk of them were released in 1997 under the Freedom of Information Act after 15 years of litigation. I was the plaintiff.

    But the agency continues to withhold 10 documents in Lennon's FBI file on grounds that they contain "national security information provided by a foreign government." The name of the foreign government remains classified, though it's probably not Afghanistan. The FBI has argued that "disclosure of this information could reasonably be expected to cause damage to the national security, as it would reveal a foreign government and information provided in confidence by that government."

    U.S. District Judge Robert Takasugi rejected this argument in 2004 and ordered the documents released. The FBI is appealing that decision.

    The Lennon FBI files vividly illustrate the administration's problem. "Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their government" — those are the words of President Bush in his 2003 executive order on classified information. And he is right.

    The Freedom of Information Act is necessary because Democrats and Republicans alike have secrets they want to keep — secrets about corruption and the abuse of power. But now the White House wants to shield information from with a new rationale for secrecy — protecting the homeland from terrorists.

    The administration acknowledges that it has dramatically increased the number of documents classified "confidential," "secret" or "top secret." Between the time Bush took office in 2001 and 2004, the most recent year for which figures are available, that number has nearly doubled. In 2004 alone, 80 federal agencies deemed 15.6 million documents off-limits. And that figure doesn't include documents withheld by Vice President Dick Cheney, who refuses to report to the National Archives the number of documents his office classifies even though Bush's executive order requires him to do so. Cheney claims his office is exempt.

    The administration's frenzy on secrets has led to documents being reclassified after having been in the public domain for decades — for example, the number of bombers and missiles the U.S. had in 1971. The same year that the FBI began its surveillance of Lennon, Nixon's secretary of Defense testified before Congress and displayed a chart showing the U.S. had 30 strategic bomber squadrons and 54 Titan and 1,000 Minuteman nuclear missiles.

    Thirty-five years later, Bush officials blacked out that information in the public version of the secretary of Defense's 1971 report, claiming it is now a national security secret. About 55,000 pages of previously declassified material in the National Archives were edited this way, mostly by the Air Force and CIA. (In response, the U.S. archivist announced last week that a declassification initiative would eventually return 85% of the withdrawn CIA materials to the shelves.)

    The justifications for such decisions are often ridiculous. In the Lennon FBI files litigation, the government claims that our national security would be damaged if it discloses the sharing of intelligence between the U.S. and the unnamed foreign government. But Bush himself declared in a joint news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair that "relations and cooperation between our intelligence services are essential to secure the people of our respective countries."

    That makes me wonder: Could it be that the same British intelligence service provided Nixon with information about Lennon in 1972? All this suggests that the time has come to end what Thomas Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, calls "silly secrecy"

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    video here

    The internet is the last light of truth and hope...it is truly of the people, by the people and for the people. We must not let it be subverted for any purpose other than the truth. And that truth shall spread to every man woman and child across the globe. No longer will those in power carry the sole means to decide for us, yet we now shall have the power to decide to tune them out.

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    Here are some Amazon reviews:

    [...]In retrospect, it seems absurd that the United States government felt so threatened by the presence of John Lennon that they tried to have him deported. But that's what happened, as chronicled in directors David Leaf and John Scheinfeld's The U.S. vs. John Lennon. The film starts slowly, with a familiar look at the former Beatle's troubled childhood, his outspokenness as one of the Fabs ("We're more popular now than Jesus Christ," etc.), and his eventual hookup with Yoko Ono, paralleled by the growth of political protest in '60s America, particularly against the Vietnam War. John and Yoko went on to stage their own peaceful demonstrations, like the Canadian "bed-ins," but these were largely harmless media stunts. It was when the Lennons moved to New York in the early '70s and took a more active role in the anti-war movement, making friends with radicals like Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, and Black Panther Party founder Bobby Seale, that the government got interested--and paranoid--and men like President Richard Nixon, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, and right-wing Sen. Strom Thurmond began actively looking for ways to silence him (it was Thurmond who came up with the deportation idea). That's also when the film picks up. An array of talking heads weighs in, ranging from Ono and others sympathetic to Lennon's plight (Walter Cronkite, Sen. George McGovern, even Geraldo Rivera) to those on the other side, including Watergate conspirator G. Gordon Liddy. Though The U.S. vs. John Lennon is hardly impartial, it's safe to say that although Lennon was more an idealist than an activist, he was an influential celebrity whom Nixon viewed as a potential nuisance in an election year. And even once Nixon had won the '72 presidential race, the Immigration and Naturalization Service refused to drop its case. Why? "Anybody who sings about love, and harmony, and life, is dangerous to somebody who sings about death," says author Gore Vidal. "Lennon... was a born enemy of the U.S. He was everything they hated." For music fans, Lennon's solo recordings provide the soundtrack. The DVD also contains considerable additional documentary footage. --Sam Graham [...]

    [...] Does the film mean to imply that Lennon's political activity was somehow correlated with his murder? Towards the end of the film, Yoko Ono says "I suppose they wanted to kill John." What does that mean? No explanation follows, but her pregnant phrase resonantes. This part of the film comes off fairly heavy-handed. Skeptics would dismiss it by saying "they're trying to make him a martyr." If the film was trying to suggest a conspiracy it should have developed that theme. Evidence would also help. Instead, it leaves Yoko's mysterious phrase. [...]

    Although this film does detail the deportation attempt made by the Nixon administration on one of the world's best-loved 'Beatles", it's the wonderfully orchestrated review of Lennon era in the 60's & 70's that make this MUST-SEE viewing for Beatlemaniacs everywhere!

    3-1/2 stars for John Lennon fans (& Peace-niks)

    [(2006)USA/LionsGate/Rated PG-13] - (1 hr. 35 min.)

    Written by David Leaf & John Scheinfeld

    John Lennon (archive footage) & Yoko Ono (then & now)
    Stew Albert (activist, then & now), Tariz Ali (Journalist), Carl Bernstein (Watergate reporter), Robin Blackburn (journalist), Chris Charlesworth (writer), John Chancellor (TV anchor, archive), Noam Chomsky (activist, then & now), Walter Cronkite (news anchor, then & now), Angela Davis (activist, then & now), Felix Dennis (publisher), Mike Douglas (TV host, archive), Gloria Emerson (NY Times, archive), David Fenton (photographer), Bob Gruen, Abbie Hoffman (archive), Martin Luther King, Jr. (archive), Ron Kovic (Viet Nam vet, then & now), Paul Krassner (Journalist), George McGovern (Pres. candidate & ex-Senator/then & now), Elliot Mintz (Lennon friend), David Peel, Dan Richter (Lennon asst.), Geraldo Rivera (TV reporter, then & now), Jerry Rubin (activist, archive), Bobby Seale (Black Panther, then & now), John Sinclair (then & now), Tom Smothers (then & now), Jon Weiner (author), Leon Wildes (immigration attorney, still practicing), Mario Cuomo, Gore Vidal (historian), &

    (if you want it.) Happy Xmas billboard campaign


    John Lennon was pro-Peace, which would seem like an innocent enough stance for anyone to take. However, when one considers the Nixon administration's paranoia regarding anyone with clout not following lock-step with their Viet Nam agenda, then a 'peacenik' could presumably become an enemy of the state (in their eyes).

    A similar stance was adopted when the Bush administration accused anyone of publicly dissenting against the war strategy in Iraq as being unpatriotic. It seems that war overrides the freedoms we're supposed to be fighting for, especially protected speech. Maybe Bush can itemize this departure from the United States constitution when he ratifies his anti-gay marriage amendment to the same. At least it would make people aware of the 'extra' price waging a war can have on the homefront.

    In any case, this documentary is not just about a famous immigrant's "bad manners," but a clear demonstration of how ex-Beatle John Lennon wrote the soundtrack to the anti-war movement (parallel with Bob Dylan) and was able to demonstrate some 'power' in at least one case. At the time, it was also a call to action for the youth of America, whose newly won 'voting' privilege had recently occurred with the ratification of the 26th amendment. The power of this new voting demographic was about to be tested just as Nixon was running for re-election.

    "Nobody told me there'd be days like these. Strange days indeed!" - John Lennon

    At the same time, rock star-'peacenik' John Lennon was recruited to join an anti-Nixon concert tour that would run parallel with the incumbent's planned campaign stops. Needless to say, when the FBI (who had been tapping Lennon's phones) got wind of this plan they notified the White House and a plan to deport John Lennon (and his wife Yoke Ono) was formulated and put into effect. Lennon had gone from artist to nuisance to legitimate threat in short order.

    A legal case between a famous couple and the immigration service would normally be pretty dry stuff, but John and Yoko were no ordinary couple and some of their press conferences are hilarious. In fact, this entire documentary is loaded with laugh-at-loud moments because Lennon was such a witty and ironic commentator on his own life and the events surrounding him.

    Docu-directors David Leaf and John Scheinfeld ("Who Is Harry Nilsson And Why Is Everybody Talkin' About Him?") have once again gone the extra mile to find archive footage that no one has ever seen before. They've also managed to locate many of the personalities involved with Lennon's life and interviewed them for commentary in retrospect. Some of the FBI agent observations are surprisingly honest, and G. Gordon Liddy is so brutally
    opinionated that he ends up providing some extra 'rueful' comic relief.


    All we are saying is give Peace a chance." - John Lennon

    I found the first half of the film to be one of the most enjoyable retrospectives of John Lennon in America ever put together with many of the music montages perfectly synthezing Lennon's lyrics and the era that forever haunted him. The second half focused on the prolonged court case and the genius of longtime immigration lawyer Leon Wildes as he poked holes in each successive attempt to deport the Lennons.

    MUST-SEE for John Lennon fans around the globe, but beware of Republican critics who will be bashing this movie and telling you to wait for the DVD release. This is a RUN, don't walk kind of documentary that will diminish in impact on the small screen. Fantastic soundtrack is worth the trip to the theater, check this one out - and 'imagine' a war that is over!

    (something the 'neo cons' are unable to do). Peace out.

    The internet is the last light of truth and hope...it is truly of the people, by the people and for the people. We must not let it be subverted for any purpose other than the truth. And that truth shall spread to every man woman and child across the globe. No longer will those in power carry the sole means to decide for us, yet we now shall have the power to decide to tune them out.

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    hey Paladine, i really appreciate your posts. Do you copy them from somewhere else or are they all worded by yourself?

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    Lennon was VERY CLOSE when you consider that he said:

    Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. If anybody can put on paper what our government and the American government, etc., and the Russians, Chinese -- what they are actually trying to do -- and how and what they think they're doing -- I'd be very pleased to know what they think they're doing. I think they're all insane.
    Just replace "insane" with "psychopathic."

    He also said, regarding the call of some anti-war people to resort to violence:
    When it gets down to "having to use violence," then you're playing the system's game. The establishment irritate you, pull your beard, flick your face, to make you fight, because once they've got you violent, then they know how to handle you.

    I thought it was positively vulgar, though, to see Geraldo Riveira portraying himself as a supporter of Lennon's activism and a critic of Nixon's skullduggery. If he really was that way in the 70s, what the heck happened to him?
    Ponerized, or a useful idiot, or a puppet / cheerleader - some or all of that

    Geraldo's presence in this film seemed to me to be the strategic disclaimer - the enormous 'don't take this seriously' flag - and, I think it works, on a very subtle level. Everyone in america has learned not to take anything Geraldo says seriously, so for him to be so prominently featured is rather significant, osit.

    for someone in this day and age with that much 'pop culture clout' who would do and say basically the same things - a longing mostly because what he was doing is more needed now than then, as far as I can tell.

    John took the General Law on - head on, clearly never understanding that one never wins such a battle. He seemed to be someone who had a lot of spark but a limited understanding of exactly how managed everything is. Don Quixote comes to mind, actually, but, still some part of me sure misses him - I found myself crying quite a bit during this movie, fwiw.

    "Image all the people, living life in peace. [...] sharing all the world ..."
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    A short while ago we had the pleasure of talking to noted assassination/conspiracy researcher Mae Brussell at her home in Carmel, California. Mae was kind enough to share some of her thoughts on the murder of John Lennon last December 8, 1980 in New York City. She is just starting her 11th year of broadcasting on radio KLRB, Carmel, CA.

    Tom Davis
    Tom: What would be the motive to kill John Lennon on December 8, 1980? Lennon had been in seclusion for many years and had not yet released his new album.

    Mae: Both the date of Lennon's murder, and the careful selection of this particular victim are very important. Six weeks after Lennon's death, Ronald Reagan would become President. Reagan and his soon-to-be appointed cabinet were prepared to build up the Pentagon war machine and increase the potential for war against the USSR. The first strike would fall on small countries like El Salvador and Guatemala. Lennon, alone, was the only man (even without his fellow Beatles) who had the ability to draw out one million anti-war protestors in any given city within 24 hours, if he opposed those war policies.
    John Lennon was a spiritual force. He was a giant, like Gandhi, a man who wrote about peace and brotherly love. He taught an entire generation to think for themselves and to challenge authority. Lennon and the Beatles' songs shout out the inequalities life and the messages of change. Change is a threat to the longtime status quo that Reagan's team exemplified.
    On my weekly radio broadcast of December 7, 1980, I stated that "the old assassination teams are coming back into power." The very people responsible for covering up the murders of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert Kennedy, Reverend Martin Luther King, for Watergate and Koreagate, and the kidnapping and murder of Howard Hughes, and for hundreds of other deaths, had only six weeks before they would again be removing or silencing those voices of opposition to their policies.
    Lennon was coming out once more. His album was cut. He was preparing to be part of the world, a world which was a worse place since the time he had withdrawn with his family. It was a sure bet Lennon would react and become a social activist again. That was the threat. Lennon realized that there was danger coming back into public view. He took that dangerous chance, and we all lost!

    Tom: The common assumption is that Mark David Chapman, arrested the moment he killed John Lennon, was acting out his personal love-hate relationship with Lennon. Why do you have to look for a larger conspiracy than the conflicts in Chapman's own head?

    Mae: Single crimes of passion are easy to explain and easy to solve. When someone is gunned down who is controversial, has political enemies, is hated by wealthy and well-organized religious movements, and is an open opponent of government policies at home and abroad, that kind of murder requires much more inquiry into the background of the assassin. The conclusions about the murder motive may turn out to be simple. Yet, in every political assassination since 1963, there were always more unanswered questions that led to a broader supposition of intention to kill by a group of people rather than one single individual.

    Tom: What is the first clue you look for if you are suspicious of a larger conspiracy to assassinate, whether it is John Lennon, President John F. Kennedy, or the recent attempts on President Reagan and Pope John Paul II?

    Mae: There are necessary connecting links in every assassination conspiracy. If any link of that chain falls apart and becomes exposed, the parts of the larger plot are more visible. When every element of that chain holds together and is present in the evidence and testimony regarding any particular murder, there has to be a larger conspiracy. (See accompanying diagram)
    The most important link in that chain is the selected decoy or patsy. Whoever is arrested at the scene of the crime, to the exclusion of other suspicious persons, becomes the "assassin." This single person must serve a purpose, namely, to divert all attention away from those people who have armed him and located him at the scene of the crime.
    Letters and diaries are always present and easily located to support the predetermined cover story. They provide a "motive", and are the glue that cements (we are told) the "loner" to his single purpose.
    In preparation for his "act", the decoy or patsy is moved across countries or overseas, traveling and staying at safe houses. He has no friends, no jobs, no means of support while at the same time staying at fancy hotels, spending lots of money, getting phone messages, and meeting lots of people. Very few people have the money to spend years in transit like these patsies, whose chances of being in selected locations at the precise moment their victim is murdered are minute and impossible without assistance.

    Tom: Who was Mark David Chapman? What was there in his background that made you suspicious that he had been selected for a "decoy" or "patsy" by other persons who wanted Lennon dead?

    Mae: Chapman came from a conservative military family who had moved from Fort Worth, Texas to Florida. He had become a "Jesus Freak" at the time Lennon and the Beatles were getting death threats during the anti-war period. Joining this movement while supposedly loving and admiring Lennon was a gross contradiction, for the religious fundamentalists were furious that Lennon considered himself better known and loved than Jesus.
    DeKalb County, Georgia, just to the east of Atlanta, figures prominently in Chapman's life as it had some years earlier in that of Martin Luther King. In 1977 in a court affidavit, Robert Byron Watson, former employee of Magellon's Art Gallery, Atlanta, named several citizens as having planned and bragged about the "future murder of Reverend Martin Luther King." King's death came just one week after the plans were discussed. These same people also talked about murdering Senator Robert Kennedy.
    Chapman attended DeKalb Junior College in the area where these kinds of plans were laid and such political anger was being vented. From DeKalb County, Chapman was sent to Beirut, Lebanon. He was handed the funds both ways. Beirut was the center for George Habash and CIA assassination teams also identified in the Watson testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1977-78.
    On March 31, 1981, United Press International exposed the connection of "military training in a guerrilla camp" in Beirut, Lebanon to "worldwide Nazi ties."
    After six months in Lebanon, Chapman went to Fort Chaffee, Arkansas to work with Vietnam refugees recently arrived from Southeast Asia. Members of the CIA were with him at this military base.
    William Colby's Vietnam Phoenix program, staffed with agents who intensely hated the anti-war, social activists like John Lennon, had both the intent and the means to move persons like Chapman to their training camps and then to specific places planned as sites for future assassinations. Colby came back to the U.S. to become Director of the C.I.A. at a time (1973) when "Operation Chaos" was in full swing against the hippies, rock musicians, and anti-war protestors. Many of them were killed or otherwise neutralized.
    From Fort Chaffee, Arkansas, Chapman moved to Lookout Mountain, Tennessee to attend Presbyterian College.

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    It is part of the record of humanity.
    It can not be changed.
    All it can do is effect the future
    That is its only lasting residual

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    i cant fit the whole thing you have to read it on the web here...

    Questions on plane crashes JFK + Spooks at Holyok

    A little-known member of David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission also became president, rising from obscurity to win the 1976 presidential election: Jimmy Carter. David's brother Nelson was vice president while two assassination attempts were made on Gerald Ford, bringing Nelson within a bullet of being the second president who was never on a ballot, and Ford was the first.

    While Bush was apparently in Paris in October 1980, negotiating the hostage release with Iran, it looks like the wheels were moving to put some bona fide gangsters in charge of the federal government. Immediately after Reagan was elected, one man was coming out of a five-year hibernation, after barely escaping deportation proceedings that were only forestalled because Richard Nixon was run out of office. Ironically, both Nixon and Reagan ran on the law-and-order platform and probably had the two most lawless administrations in American history. John Lennon was coming out of seclusion after five years. Not only was he in the studio making his first album in five years, Double Fantasy, he was also coming out of his political hibernation. In light of what happened after Reagan's inauguration, Lennon was on a short list of those who could have mobilized average Americans against what Reagan's boys were about to do to Central America and other nations. Lennon won Nixon's hatred with his high-profile Vietnam protests, which was why they tried to deport him.

    A controversial situation got CIA-man Bush on the ticket, a man who may have helped engineer October Surprise. A few weeks after Reagan was inaugurated, the State Department floated a white paper on February 23, 1981. The white paper was apparently a series of forged documents that were supposed to help justify the reign of terror that the Reagan administration was about to wage in El Salvador, terrorizing the population and killing 75,000 civilians while using about $6 billion in U.S. taxpayer money.[44]

    Similar to the "assassins" of JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King, Jr. and John Lennon, those who attempted to assassinate George Wallace, Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan were "lone nuts." It is amazing that those "lone nuts" all pulled their triggers at critical or intriguing political moments in American history. Oswald "killed" JFK soon after JFK declared that he planned to pull American troops out of Vietnam. JFK's executive order to pull the troops out of Vietnam was reversed before he was buried. Sirhan B. Sirhan "killed" RFK the night he won the California democratic primary in 1968, vaulting into the front-runner position for the presidency.

    Everything you do is recorded in history for all eternity.
    It is part of the record of humanity.
    It can not be changed.
    All it can do is effect the future
    That is its only lasting residual

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    Re: John Lennon - Still a Security Threat

    this info on John is old news from 2006. A deceased person is not a threat to anyone.

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    Re: John Lennon - Still a Security Threat

    Quote Originally Posted by galaxy
    this info on John is old news from 2006. A deceased person is not a threat to anyone.

    did you read the posts?
    watch the video ?

    He was murdered by the US government.

    There are necessary connecting links in every assassination conspiracy. If any link of that chain falls apart and becomes exposed, the parts of the larger plot are more visible. When every element of that chain holds together and is present in the evidence and testimony regarding any particular murder, there has to be a larger conspiracy.

    He was murdered by the US government.

    But the message is still alive.

    The message of lennon is as bright as the day he died.
    and it is the message that makes them afraid.

    They are afraid of rebels and individuals who can think for themselves.

    download these Mp3s on this.




    It takes someone brave to stand up to the war-mongers,elitist,liers,and evil and corruption that is in the government.

    Jesus was one of the first to do this.

    To bad there are no one like jesus, and lennon today who have the balls to stand up for freedom and truth

    ideas of truth, peace and love never die.




    lennon's imagine was about hope and what could be beautiful.


    the power lies with the people. As the old adage goes, "There's nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come." This idea of change is in the state of becoming.


    .be inspired, be angry, be resolute. Act up. With love ...

    Our systems are categorically, absolutely, bound to collapse. They have absolutely no place they can go other than fall apart. Why? Because until they fall apart, we can never set our people free, and the desire in the hearts and souls of people is freedom

    The broken society creates the pathological mind. Evil can only rule when good people do nothing; I am a strong believer in that. Fact is we deserve what we get because we are lost and the lost give their leadership to anyone.

    Note as humans it is easier for us to learn evil than good; evil is piss easy because you do not have to work at it and appears to be profitable. Good on the other hand is damn hard, and you can never rest, you always need to keep your guard up. Hypothetical situation; if you place x number of people in a room and each one has one obvious good characteristics and one bad one that is unique to him; you would find after a while that the bad characteristics has spread to most but the good characteristics in most likely cases will still be unique. As population explodes and you get more and more dense population you would find that society starts to degrade fast as the evil spreads quicker.

    THINK FOR YOURSELF! But it means work with others, work but do not accept it as truth unless you are sure (enough). And note it is normal to make mistakes, we all do it. And it is normal to change your mind. The elites are alone above us and are self-centred and self-aware but un-ware of us or our feelings; to them we are nothing. And we are similar but not to that extant of detachment from society.
    Last edited by Paladine; 08-29-2007 at 06:05 PM.
    The internet is the last light of truth and hope...it is truly of the people, by the people and for the people. We must not let it be subverted for any purpose other than the truth. And that truth shall spread to every man woman and child across the globe. No longer will those in power carry the sole means to decide for us, yet we now shall have the power to decide to tune them out.

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    Re: John Lennon - Still a Security Threat

    [QUOTE=Paladine]Yoko Ono, Lennon’s wife, creative collaborator

    Ha! That's funny. Yoko creative.

    The Beatles were great and John Lennon was great while the group was together. But, he met Yoko and changed - not for the the better. They didn't like America, but, boy, they sure liked living here. And they lived very well.

    Of course, Yoko will participate in yet another documentary about John. She's loves the attention. She made a comment a few years ago that America wanted to see more of her. I didn't hear anyone else say that.

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    Re: John Lennon - Still a Security Threat

    Then it was that the era of republics became possible of
    realisation; and then it was that we replaced the ruler by a caricature
    of a government - by a president taken from the mob, from the midst of
    our puppet creatures, our slaves.” (Illuminati Protocol 10).
    What we also need to know is the extent of the Lucifer cults within
    American military intelligence and the CIA. One report has already
    come to light about Lieutenant-Colonel Michael Aquino, a senior
    officer within US Military Intelligence. He formed the Temple of Set
    (the ancient Egyptian name for Lucifer), and when it was made
    public, the authorities said they had no problem with that. If there

    was a purge on secret, Lucifer-inspired, cults and societies within the
    secret services of the world, the intelligence network would probably
    collapse due to lack of personnel! Interestingly, Aquino served as a
    psychological warfare specialist in Vietnam and this has become an
    increasingly important weapon for the Illuminati.
    The secret development of mind control techniques by the
    intelligence agencies have also reached an advanced stage. These
    agencies operate outside of democratic control. Thirty-third degree
    freemason, Gerald Ford, launched a Commission to look into the
    workings of the security services after the Watergate scandal. Who
    did he ask to chair it? Nelson Rockefeller! If it wasn’t so tragic, you
    could almost laugh. The CIA and its fellow agencies around the
    world, including the British, have been spending billions on
    research into mind-controlling and population controlling-
    techniques. These involve, among other things, drugs, brain
    washing, brain implants to turn people literally into robots, the
    injection of experimental viruses, hypnosis, and the use of
    electromagnetic fields, according to researchers of these subjects. If
    you think humans have been robots up to now, stick around, unless
    we take action now. Mind control goes back to the ancient
    Brotherhood mystery schools and beyond. The Nazis were
    perfecting it before and during the war and so were the American
    agencies which became the CIA. In the 1950s the CIA was funding
    mind-controlling projects with code names like Project Bluebird
    (Artichoke after 1953) and later Project MK-ULTRA. The British
    and many other agencies were doing the same, as information
    crossed borders on the Brotherhood networks.
    The CIA was funding tests into LSD and similar drugs in the 1950s
    and ’60s and some horrendous experiments have been done in the
    state prisons and psychiatric institutions, involving children as well
    as adults. Don’t let them kid you the Nazis had a monopoly on such
    things. Anything they have done, the ‘good guys’ are also doing in
    the lands of ‘freedom andjustice’. As this book was going to press,
    the US Government admitted that people, including mentally
    handicapped children and pregnant mothers, had been used in the
    past for experiments, without their knowledge and consent, into the
    effects of radiation. The past? Similar things are still happening! So
    if you are seeking to escape this mad world through drugs.... don’t,
    don’t, don’t. LSD was not the liberating drug it was claimed by so
    many to be. It was researched and encouraged by the CIA, the British

    Secret Service and others and, to a large extent, it thwarted the 1960s
    revolution and the desire of the baby boomers for mental freedom, by
    subverting their values with a lack of direction. Don’t let it happen
    again!! The mass prescribing of anti-depressants and other drugs
    world-wide is playing its part in advancing the zombie mentality
    which the Brotherhood want to bring about. Some of these
    techniques have undoubtedly been used to take out people who
    threaten Brotherhood operations. You can appreciate how it can be
    done when you see what one CIA psychiatrist said about the use of
    hypnosis and the implantation of minute electrodes in the brain:
    “The subject who was able to develop good post-hypnotic amnesia
    will also respond to suggestions to remember events which did not
    actually occur. On awakening, he will fail to recall the real events of
    the trance and instead will recall the suggested events. If anything,
    this phenomena is easier to produce than total amnesia, perhaps
    because it eliminates the subjective freling of an empty space in the
    What a great way to programme a ‘lone assassin’. I have no doubt
    that many of the ‘abductions’ claimed to have been by UFO
    occupants are in reality abductions by human servants of Lucifer in
    the Brotherhood. That is not to say that people aren’t abducted by
    ETs, but this is used as a cover for Brotherhood activities of exactly
    the same kind, too. Suggestions are implanted into the victims’ mind,
    as described above, so they believe they have been taken and
    implanted by ETs when it has really been done to them by humans.
    Under deep hypnosis by those who are investigating this phenomena,
    many of these ‘ET victims’ have recalled being taken away in a van,
    sometimes marked US Navy. Perhaps the vans are an example of the
    advanced technology that the Americans have given the ETs in
    exchange for theirs! I’ll swap you this inter-galactic, inter-frequency,
    anti-gravity craft, for a Ford truck. Yes, sounds reasonable. It’s a
    Many people who have said they were abducted by UFOs have
    been found to have brain implants which can be seen on X-Rays.
    Apparent UFO victims have often recalled having operations during
    their ordeal, in which needles are inserted into the brain. Because this
    technology is not familiar to ‘normal’ science, it is assumed that it
    has come from some extra-terrestrial source. But, for whatever

    reason, the science of the Brotherhood has put them years ahead of
    the science the rest of us know. Brotherhood scientists working on
    code-named projects have developed an electrode which can receive
    and transmit signals, produce visions and hallucinations, and have
    complete physical control of a person’s body. Given that the ETs
    have always known of these techniques, it puts some of the ‘spiritual
    revelations’ of St Paul, Moses, Mohamet, John of Revelations, and
    the Mormon founder, Joseph Smith, into another perspective, maybe?
    Too incredible to believe? Let me quote the words of Dr Jose
    Delgado, when he was a psychologist at Yale University decades ago:
    “Physical control of many brain functions is a demonstrated fact....
    it is even possible to create and follow intentions, the development of
    thoughts and visual experiences. By electrical stimulation of specific
    cerebral structures movements can be induced by radio command,
    hostility may appear and disappear, social hierarchy can be modified,
    sexual behaviour may be changed, and memory, emotions, and the
    thinking process may be influenced by remote control.”
    Want a lone assassin? No problem. Want an Israeli to kill a group
    of Arabs in an attempt to demolish peace talks? No problem. Want
    some guy to go into a school with a gun and start killing children to
    manipulate public opinion into demanding an armed or more
    authoritarian police force? Want to destroy the credibility of a group
    or organisation which threatens you by making one of its members do
    something terrible or ridiculous? No problem. We at the House of
    Mind Control can cater to your every desire. Why is it that most of
    the ‘lone assassins’ are made out to be mentally deranged or ‘nutters’.
    Who, or what, makes them like that? This is how John Lennon was
    killed. He threatened the Brotherhood with his promotion of peace,
    love, the eternal nature of the spirit, and his inspiration to the young.
    He was murdered by a mind-controlled attacker. If you don’t want to
    make a big public show of it, there is always the drug-induced heart
    attack or brain haemorrhage.
    Nor is this confined to the United States. An investigation in
    Sweden revealed that for the last twenty-five years doctors there have
    been using patients for on-going mind experimentation. They have
    been implanting transmitters into the brains of patients to use them
    like laboratory animals. The control of which Delgado speaks was
    possible in the 1950s and no doubt long before that.

    Today, the Brotherhood, thanks to its secret scientific research, have
    the ability for mass mind control. They have perfected the use of
    microwave pulses carrying instructions which can control individual or
    collective behaviour. Both the Americans and the Russians can do this.
    This knowledge of ‘psychic attack’ has been passed on over the
    centuries through the Brotherhood. An issue of the newsletter,
    ‘Tactical Technology’, in 1993 reported the latest developments in
    Russian technology of this kind. The report was about a visit to Russia
    in November 1991 of Janet Morris, the Research Director of the US
    Global Strategy Council, a think tank in Washington DC, founded by
    the former CIA Deputy Director, Ray Cline:
    David Icke
    The Robot's rebellion
    The internet is the last light of truth and hope...it is truly of the people, by the people and for the people. We must not let it be subverted for any purpose other than the truth. And that truth shall spread to every man woman and child across the globe. No longer will those in power carry the sole means to decide for us, yet we now shall have the power to decide to tune them out.

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