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    Dawud from Texas

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    Those were actually very good BVR. I can only say that those who fear Islam are only uneducated about it. These videos do a good service towards starting that much needed education.

    There is nothing to fear from those who practice Islam, anymore than from those who actually practice Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Those were actually very good BVR. I can only say that those who fear Islam are only uneducated about it. These videos do a good service towards starting that much needed education.

    There is nothing to fear from those who practice Islam, anymore than from those who actually practice Christianity.

    Namaste'

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    http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p...emy#post413581

    Hmmm, does someone not know their own mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulM
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    Hmmm, does someone not know their own mind?
    Maybe someone has started to get some respect for those who are not White Neo-Christians.

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    Friday, May 11, 2007
    Islam Terror Camps in New York
    Where is law enforcement? These are paramilitary Islamic training camps. Training for what? Their neighbors are scared witless. None of the neighbors wished to be identified for fear of "retaliation." "We don't even dare to slow down when we drive by," one resident said. "They own the mountain and they know it and there is nothing we can do about it but move, and we can't even do that."

    Radical Muslim paramilitary compound flourishes in upper New York state

    Dr. Paul Williams at the entrance of Islamberg Situated within a dense forest at the foothills of the Catskill Mountains on the outskirts of Hancock, New York, Islamberg is Pwilliams05112islamberg not an ideal place for a summer vacation unless, of course, you are an exponent of the Jihad or a fan of Osama bin Laden.

    The 70 acre complex is surrounded with "No trespassing" signs; the rocky terrain is infested with rattlesnakes; and the woods are home to black bears, coyotes, wolves, and a few bobcats. Muslim Lane

    [...]

    A sentry post has been established at the base of the hill.

    The sentry, at the time of this visit, is an African American dressed in Islamic garb - - a skull cap, a prayer shawl, and a loose fitting shalwat kameez. He instructs us to turn around and leave. "Our community is not open to visitors," he says.

    Behind the sentry and across a small stream stand dozens of inhabitants of the compound - - the men wearing skull caps and loose fitting tunics, the women in full burqa. They appear ready to deal with an unauthorized intruders.

    The hillside is blighted by rusty trailers that appear to be without power or running water and a number of outhouses. The scent of raw sewage is in the air.

    The place is even off limits to the local undertaker who says that he has delivered bodies to the complex but has never been granted entrance. "They come and take the bodies from my hearse. They won't allow me to get past the sentry post. They say that they want to prepare the bodies for burial. But I never get the bodies back. I don't know what's going on there but I don't think it's legal."

    On the other side of the hill where few dare to go is a tiny village replete with a make-shift learning center (dubbed the "International Quranic Open University"); a trailer converted into a Laundromat; a small, green community center; a small and rather squalid grocery store; a newly constructed majid; over forty clapboard homes; and scores of additional trailers.

    It is home to hundreds - - all in Islamic attire, and all African-Americans. Most drive late model SUVs with license plates from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, South Carolina, and Tennessee. The locals say that some work as tollbooth operators for the New York State Thruway, while others are employed at a credit card processing center that maintains confidential financial records.

    While buzzing with activity during the week, the place becomes a virtual hive on weekends. The guest includes arrivals from the inner cities of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania and, occasionally, white-robed dignitaries in Ray-Bans from the Middle East.

    Venturing into the complex last summer, Douglas Hagmann, an intrepid investigator and director of the Northeast Intelligence Service, came upon a military training area at the eastern perimeter of the property. The area was equipped with ropes hanging from tall trees, wooden fences for scaling, a make-shift obstacle course, and a firing range. Hagmann said that the range appeared to have been in regular use.

    Read it all. The damn place ought to be shut down
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    While caution sleeps:
    Terrorists training in North America

    By Doug Hagmann & Judi McLeod

    Monday, June 11, 2007

    The citizens of the United States and Canada, as well as many within various echelons of law enforcement, might be surprised to learn that active paramilitary training of Islamic terrorists, who are focused on bringing jihad or holy war into America on a large scale, are currently operating in the United States and Canada. In fact, they have existed inside North America since at least 1980.

    Imagine that during the height of World War II--a few short years after the worst attack against America--you are taking a scenic drive through the woods of upstate New York and somehow--merely by accident--you stumble upon a group of men of Japanese ethnicity engaged in firearms training. You quietly stand out of sight in the brush, hearing them pledge their allegiance to Emperor Hirohito and watch as they practice their combat skills they intend to use against you and your fellow Americans at some time in the future. Frozen somewhere between fear and curiosity, you watch them until they break up, each entering different vehicles. You follow one of the vehicles carrying two male occupants back into town, and find out that one of the men works for a utility company in the Finger Lakes while the other is employed at a steel mill near Buffalo. Based on your observations and concerned about possible spies working in essential American jobs, you notify the authorities, but you are assured that the men have "checked out" and were found to be no risk to national security. But, you know what you saw and care for the security and future of America. Unconvinced, you continue to report your concerns until you are ultimately labeled a bigot and an alarmist. Inconceivable? At that time, when America was at war, when the majority of Americans understood what was at stake and when the mind of every American was focused on the security of the country, such a scenario would be unlikely. Today, unfortunately, America as a nation is at war while most Americans are at the mall.

    In a 2002 commentary, Arnaud de Borchgrave, editor at large for The Washington Times, wrote that "Politico-religious extremists in PakistanÉ have convinced themselves that 'in the next 10 years, Americans will wake up to the existence of an Islamic army in their midst - an army of jihadis who will force America to abandon imperialism and listen to the voice of Allah.'" In that same article, he references the number of criminals being recruited for this Islamic army, and cites demographics to make his points clear. Our investigation confirms the almost prophetic observations of Mr. de Borchgrave, noting, however, that it has not taken ten years. The army is already here.
    An Islamic army operating in North America

    This is the disturbing conclusion of a comprehensive, 5-year investigation conducted by professional multi-state licensed investigators of the Northeast Intelligence Network and investigative journalists of Canada Free Press (CFP). Our findings are the result of extensive covert surveillance operations, field investigations, numerous interviews, and research into paramilitary training and activities by Islamic "extremists" living and working among us in North America. They have been cited in various publications and books such as The Day of Islam by Dr. Paul Williams, reports authored by federal and state law enforcement agencies, and have recently warranted casual mentions in a number of major media venues.

    Since publishing our reports pertaining to Islamberg--a private Muslim compound located at the western edge of the Catskill Mountains in Hancock, NY and associated with the Pakistani-based terrorist organization Jamaat ul Fuqra, public interest and concerns by law enforcement about potential terror training camps in existence in North America have intensified unlike any other report we have published to date. Many who once believed that terrorist training camps could not possibly exist in the U.S., or thought their existence to be that of urban legend, or a fabrication of "neocons" are beginning to realize that the vast expanse of the U.S. and Canada offers near perfect conditions for such camps to be operating without detection.
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    Those were actually very good BVR. I can only say that those who fear Islam are only uneducated about it. These videos do a good service towards starting that much needed education.

    There is nothing to fear from those who practice Islam, anymore than from those who actually practice Christianity.

    Namaste'

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    "I can only say that..." You could have said those who accept Islam are uneducated about it and I would certainly agree with you.

    You could have said people there will never be peace between Muslims and Christians.

    You could have said Islam and Christianity are two separate and distinct faith systems that can not co-exist peaceably.

    Islam: A Beautiful and Peaceful Religion?

    By Ron Carlson of http://www.roncarlson.com

    This past February my father and I had the privilege of holding a week of apologetic seminars in Tokyo, Japan. During our time there we were introduced to one of the leaders of the Japanese Muslim community. He was a middle-aged man from a Muslim country in Asia, he had been a Muslim his entire life, and for the past decade he had lived in Japan working to spread Islam’s influence in that country. My father and I had the unique opportunity to spend over an hour, inside the heart of the Tokyo mosque, sharing the truth of Christianity with this leader of the Muslim community.

    During the course of our conversation, this Muslim authority repeatedly proclaimed, “Islam is a beautiful and peaceful religion”. Have you ever heard this claim before? If you’ve watched any news commentary shows or read any editorials in your local newspaper recently, I’d be willing to bet you have. Ever since the tragic events of 9/11, the Islamic propaganda machine and the liberal media have been doing everything they can to convince the American public that in-spite of what we see on the news every night, Islam really is a “beautiful and peaceful religion”. Unfortunately, this claim is simply false.

    Consider this: where in the world is the beautiful and peaceful Muslim country that millions of people are trying to immigrate to? Where in the world is that beautiful and peaceful Muslim culture that other nations so strongly admire? Where in the world has the beautiful and peaceful religion of Islam created a society characterized by freedom, justice, and human rights for all? Where in the world has the beautiful and peaceful religion of Islam produced economic prosperity and opportunity for the majority of its adherents?

    The sad truth to all of the above questions is that there is no such beautiful and peaceful Muslim country or culture anywhere in the world. What makes this fact even more indicting is that Islam has had every opportunity and advantage necessary to produce a so-called “beautiful and peaceful” religion and culture. Islam has had the time: this religion has been around for roughly 1400 years. Islam has had the geographical territory: much of Africa, the entire Middle East, and many parts of Europe and Asia are predominantly Muslim. Islam has also had the financial resources: many of the most influential Muslim countries sit on the world’s richest oil reserves and are wealthy beyond imagination. And yet, in spite of all of these favorable circumstances, the fact remains that nowhere in the world do we find this so-called “beautiful and peaceful religion” of Islam producing a society characterized by freedom, justice, and prosperity.

    What has the religion of Islam truly produced in the lives and societies of its adherents? Terrorism, human rights abuses, slavery, poverty, warfare, hopelessness, hatred of Jews and Christians… these are the actual fruit of this religion. And this shouldn’t surprise us when you consider the fact that in the Koran, the Muslim holy book, there are over 100 verses directing Muslims to fight and kill Jews, Christians, and other Infidels. And it shouldn’t surprise us when you see that Mohammed, the founder and prophet of Islam, left his followers with an example of military conquest and plunder. And it shouldn’t surprise us when you understand that the religion of Islam is nicknamed “the religion of the sword”. These are the roots of this religion (evil roots = evil religion = evil fruit… and Jesus told us, “you will know them by their fruit.”).

    Now to be fair, we certainly do not believe that every Muslim is a terrorist. However, at the same time, it cannot be denied that the vast majority of the terrorists in the world are Muslims. This is a fact. Is this what we should expect from a faith that claims to be a “beautiful and peaceful religion”?

    Truly beautiful and peaceful religions produce societies characterized by freedom, human rights, morality, justice, and prosperity; and they strive to share these characteristics with others. We do not find these values or the desire to advance them anywhere in the Muslim world. Islam is not a beautiful and peaceful religion. Rather, Islam is a veil of deception that Satan has used to blind the eyes of millions of Muslims around the world.
    Brothers and sisters in Christ, it is often tempting to think of Muslims as the “bad guys”. However, we want to encourage you to remember, Muslims are not the enemy, they are victims of the enemy! We need to be in prayer for the millions of dear souls who’ve had their lives hijacked by this false religion.
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    And anyone raised in Islam could make the same case against Christianity.

    So what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by travellingman
    "I can only say that..." You could have said those who accept Islam are uneducated about it and I would certainly agree with you.

    You could have said people there will never be peace between Muslims and Christians.

    You could have said Islam and Christianity are two separate and distinct faith systems that can not co-exist peaceably.

    [FONT=Trebuchet MS]Islam: A Beautiful and Peaceful Religion?

    By Ron Carlson of http://www.roncarlson.com
    You could have watched the entire documentary and kick started your brain and would have realized that practiced in it's original intent, just like Christianity, not only could the religions co-exist but both are peace promoting ways of life.

    Apparently, you at least had problems with the kick starting of the brain cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    You could have watched the entire documentary and kick started your brain and would have realized that practiced in it's original intent, just like Christianity, not only could the religions co-exist but both are peace promoting ways of life.

    Apparently, you at least had problems with the kick starting of the brain cells.

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    "Those who judge others will be judged by the same values they use to judge others by. -Jesus Christ

    You better believe judging false religions is not what that Bible verse is talking about. That Bible verse is talking about judging people. Romans Chapter 2 warns against judging others. I know there is only one "Righteous Judge" of all people - Jesus Christ.

    I Corinithians 2:15
    But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

    Don't tell me you don't make judgments everyday of your life?

    John 7:24
    Jesus said, Judge no according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    Righteous judgment is making a judgment that I made earlier: Islam is a false religion. That's a righteous judgment. I did not judge a particular person so I am not guilty of judging others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    You could have watched the entire documentary and kick started your brain and would have realized that practiced in it's original intent, just like Christianity, not only could the religions co-exist but both are peace promoting ways of life.

    Apparently, you at least had problems with the kick starting of the brain cells.

    Those who judge others will be judged by the same values they use to judge others by. -Jesus Christ


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    "Those who judge others will be judged by the same values they use to judge others by. -Jesus Christ

    You better believe judging false religions is not what that Bible verse is talking about. That Bible verse is talking about judging people. Romans Chapter 2 warns against judging others. I know there is only one "Righteous Judge" of all people - Jesus Christ.

    I Corinithians 2:15
    But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

    Don't tell me you don't make judgments everyday of your life?

    John 7:24
    Jesus said, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    Righteous judgment is making a judgment that I made earlier: Islam is a false religion. That's a righteous judgment. I did not judge a particular person so I am not guilty of judging others.

    If I took all of your your keys out of your purse and went to your house and started making myself at home going through eating, drinking, sleeping, etc. using what you bought and paid for and then drove your car all over town all without your permission, would you not you then make a judgment that I am guilty of doing something wrong?
    Question: What gives you the right to judge me for those actions? Answer: Righteous judgment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by travellingman
    "Those who judge others will be judged by the same values they use to judge others by. -Jesus Christ

    You better believe judging false religions is not what that Bible verse is talking about. That Bible verse is talking about judging people. Romans Chapter 2 warns against judging others. I know there is only one "Righteous Judge" of all people - Jesus Christ.

    I Corinithians 2:15
    But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

    Don't tell me you don't make judgments everyday of your life?

    John 7:24
    Jesus said, Judge no according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    Righteous judgment is making a judgment that I made earlier: Islam is a false religion. That's a righteous judgment. I did not judge a particular person so I am not guilty of judging others.

    And you bothered to study the religion of Islam when? When did you read the Quran and make your own judgment about it rather than accept the narrow opinion of someone else you don't even know?

    Islam is no more false than Christianity is. It's your own ignorance of history that makes you think otherwise.

    You are no more righteous than Judas Iscariot. He too made bad and hasty judgments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travellingman
    If I took all of your your keys out of your purse and went to your house and started making myself at home going through eating, drinking, sleeping, etc. using what you bought and paid for and then drove your car all over town all without your permission, would you not you then make a judgment that I am guilty of doing something wrong?
    Question: What gives you the right to judge me for those actions? Answer: Righteous judgment.
    Very bad analogy you make.

    I wouldn't judge you. I would have you arrested. The LAW would judge you and put you where thieves belong.

    And if you are going to use this analogy of the difference between Islam and Christianity, then Cupcake, Islam has been around much longer, making Christianity the interloper or "one who stole the keys" and will stand in judgment.


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    Very bad analogy you make.

    I wouldn't judge you. I would have you arrested. The LAW would judge you and put you where thieves belong.

    And if you are going to use this analogy of the difference between Islam and Christianity, then Cupcake, Islam has been around much longer, making Christianity the interloper or "one who stole the keys" and will stand in judgment.


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    Oh stop denying what you know is the truth. When you ban a spammer from scam.com, what gives you the right to ban someone? You use the righteous judgment based on the authority that the owners of this site vested you with.

    That's the same thing I did with the Islam religion. I based my righteous judgment on the authority of the Word of God that there is only One true God, Jesus Christ.

    I prefer Sweety Pie not Cupcake.

    To be accurate, the Islam religion and the Christian religion both originated from Abraham's two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. God chose Isaac, to be the father of the Jewish nation to inherit the land, not Ishmael, the father of the Arabs. See, all this is is sibling rivalry at its worst.
    Genesis 25:11
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    Quote Originally Posted by travellingman
    Oh stop denying what you know is the truth. When you ban a spammer from scam.com, what gives you the right to ban someone? You use the righteous judgment based on the authority that the owners of this site vested you with.
    LOL, being given the responsibility of any kind of authority does not give one any right to call it "righteous judgment". Police give people tickets all day long, some justified and many not. But I wouldn't call it "righteous judgment", they are merely doing their jobs. And getting paid to do it.

    That's the same thing I did with the Islam religion. I based my righteous judgment on the authority of the Word of God that there is only One true God, Jesus Christ.
    Well, since one can not prove that they possess the "Word of God" nor that Jesus was anything more than what he said he was, the son of Jehovah, (which we all are, another thing he said) you have nothing solid to base your "judgment" on.

    To be accurate, the Islam religion and the Christian religion both originated from Abraham's two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. God chose Isaac, to be the father of the Jewish nation to inherit the land, not Ishmael, the father of the Arabs. See, all this is is sibling rivalry at its worst.
    Genesis 25:11
    That is one version of the story. Told by one side. If you didn't witness it yourself, you have nothing but faith to base your believing it as true on. And I am aware of the origination points of both religions. Christianity did not start with Abraham. It started with Jesus if you want to nit pick.

    Sorry, but when it comes to Bibles, Quran's, prophets and Gods, we can neither prove one better or more "real" than the other. That is just a fact of life both followers need to learn to live with.

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