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    YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    Just released! Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    YTB International = Rank #35. (See page #41 of Travel Weekly June 25, 2007).

    http://travelweekly.texterity.com/travelweekly/20070625


    Any comment?

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    This is nothing more than a list of travel companies who have total revenues over $100 million. Where is that revenue coming from? Is it Travel alone? No. There is no grey area here, they published their financials. This company is losing money each year.

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    Geez ya think you could pick one or two threads - no need to spam the same post to every thread that has ever mentioned YTB.

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    What I don't get is why the rta's haven't stormed the corporate office demanding their money.

    In a nationally published magazine - ytb "proudly" exclaims to have booked $226 million in travel sales - but, only account for $7 million in earned commissions in their SEC filings.

    Let's just assume a 10% commission is paid to ytb - well, on $226 million that would be $22.6 million $$$$ - not $7 million.

    Remember the old wendy's commercials:

    WHERE'S THE BEEF!!!!!!

    I smell a rat.

    Tom
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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    Quote Originally Posted by visionteam
    This is nothing more than a list of travel companies who have total revenues over $100 million. Where is that revenue coming from? Is it Travel alone? No. There is no grey area here, they published their financials. This company is losing money each year.
    With $52.1 Million in ARC sales? Not a chance!

    This document right here should lay to rest how much TRAVEL YTB is really booking. I also noticed that the numbers have been VERIFIED. (If they were not, it would say so.)

    $226.1 Million in travel sales, only $36.8 Million in recruiting sales.

    Tom…

    It’s travel BOOKED, not commissions EARNED. Big difference. You know very well that commissions are not earned until the travel has been consumed. We can only claim what we've actually earned on our finacials.

    You will start seeing the travel commissions going up shortly, and the rest of you, choaking on what you’ve been bashing here.

    MJ;

    Those are "facts"...you like "facts".
    Last edited by Coach's_Corner; 06-26-2007 at 03:45 AM.

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    Wrong Doug - it's consumed.

    Run the #'s - it doesn't add up.

    Tom

    Quote Originally Posted by Coach's_Corner
    With $52.1 Million in ARC sales? Not a chance!

    This document right here should lay to rest how much TRAVEL YTB is really booking. I also noticed that the numbers have been VERIFIED. (If they were not, it would say so.)

    $226.1 Million in travel sales, only $36.8 Million in recruiting sales.

    Tom…

    It’s BOOKED, not EARNED. Big difference. You know very well that commissions are not earned until the travel has been consumed. You will start seeing the travel commissions going up shortly, and the rest of you, choking on what you’ve been bashing here.

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    From my inside source - the TW #'s include ALL travel sales - the franchises and the rta's.

    even still - the pay out is weak - very weak.

    Something in denmark is rotten.

    Also - the big boys are dumping their stock little by little - especially the Brents and the Tomers. Is that a sign? We'll see. . .

    Tom

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    Tom;

    All I can tell you is to watch what happens on our financials over the next few quarters. I'm not going to argue the point with you. I know how this is done, and I'm dead on.

    I could also care less if the numbers do include $36.8 Million of $226.1.

    We simply can't report revenue to the SEC we don't have in hand.

    In regard to the stock, Tomer bought a house, one time sale, and the Brents are moving out. Don't make more out of that than there needs to be, and stop backpeddleing.

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    Doug -

    You are in for a BIG surprize.

    Please be careful.

    Tom

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coach's_Corner
    It’s travel BOOKED, not commissions EARNED. Big difference. You know very well that commissions are not earned until the travel has been consumed. We can only claim what we've actually earned on our finacials.
    I do like facts
    less than 5 million in travel comissions paid out.
    36.8 million in fees charged.


    The Fees were 7 times the total travel comissions paid out
    The travel comissions paid were about 2% of the travel sold.

    Still looks pretty crappy to me

    As for your feeble defense... They gov clearly looks at where the reps make their money.....

    Here is from the FTC regarding BurnLounge:http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ic-stores.html

    "Unfortunately, the government frowns on businesses that rely on recruiting rather than sales of actual products, because such a business suggests that a pyramid scheme might be in operation. According to the FCC, "BurnLounge provides much larger rewards for recruiting then for sales of digital music and thus provides greater incentives to participants to recruit than to sell music to ultimate users." There's a whole promotional system that goes along with this (naturally), featuring encouraging DVDs and a magazine. "


    In Q1 2007 91% of the YTB comissions came from recruiting rather than the sale of actual products. Sure sounds like an exact match to me...

    And just to clarify - they look at it from the perspective if the rep - are they trying to sell memberships or trying to sell products. With YTB its clear that most of the money is from selling memberships.

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    Quote Originally Posted by mj363
    I do like facts
    less than 5 million in travel comissions paid out.
    36.8 million in fees charged.


    The Fees were 7 times the total travel comissions paid out
    The travel comissions paid were about 2% of the travel sold.

    Still looks pretty crappy to me

    As for your feeble defense... They gov clearly looks at where the reps make their money.....

    Here is from the FTC regarding BurnLounge:http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ic-stores.html

    "Unfortunately, the government frowns on businesses that rely on recruiting rather than sales of actual products, because such a business suggests that a pyramid scheme might be in operation. According to the FCC, "BurnLounge provides much larger rewards for recruiting then for sales of digital music and thus provides greater incentives to participants to recruit than to sell music to ultimate users." There's a whole promotional system that goes along with this (naturally), featuring encouraging DVDs and a magazine. "


    In Q1 2007 91% of the YTB comissions came from recruiting rather than the sale of actual products. Sure sounds like an exact match to me...

    And just to clarify - they look at it from the perspective if the rep - are they trying to sell memberships or trying to sell products. With YTB its clear that most of the money is from selling memberships.
    Wow! YTB is #35 on Travel Weeklys Powerlist.

    MJ, is so proud to repeatedly and I do mean repeatedly point out that 91% of YTB comissions come from the recruiting of new participants, not on the retail sale of products or services and $61 in annual earnings per RTA. Obviously, YTB is good at recruiting as well as selling travel.

    For you YTB critics who say YTB is busting the rules, as things stand today, I disagree with you. YTB is not in a panic and should not be. You YTB critics on Scam.com are wanting people to believe that, but it's not reality. So, unless the rules change, but for today, YTB is in compliance. When the rules do change, history has proven regulation changes by the government rulemakers have only strenghtened YTB. If more new rules emerge requiring more customers must book travel, YTB will without difficulty adapt to accommodate government requirements. I am confident my YTB home-based business is not in danger of being shut down. I base my confidence in YTB on my sustained acceptance as an authentic and sincere travel professional by my customers and the vacation vendors who have always enthusiastically supported me.

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    How is YTB possibly good at selling travel when the average rep pays over a $1,000 for their first year of membership but only makes $61 in travel comissions?

    Seems like you don't really understand business very well if you think that the above proves that YTB is very good at selling travel.

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    Re: YTB.COM rank #35 in Travel Weekly's 2007 Power List.

    Quote Originally Posted by mj363
    How is YTB possibly good at selling travel when the average rep pays over a $1,000 for their first year of membership but only makes $61 in travel comissions?

    Seems like you don't really understand business very well if you think that the above proves that YTB is very good at selling travel.
    No more than you don't understand the prestigious honor it is of earning the #35 position on the 2007 Travel Weekly Power List.

    YTB International is the ONLY travel mlm listed in the top 50. All the other travel mlms have been left in YTBs blazing dust including Co-op magic.
    Last edited by travellingman; 06-27-2007 at 11:46 PM.

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