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    Michael Moore's "Sicko"



    Apparently he leaked it himself after Cannes.

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    I know you guys are pretty hostile towards the Bible, but I value it quite a bit. There's this little tidbit in the Old Testament I'd like to share, called the "eye for an eye" rule. Somebody wrongs you, and you are not allowed to hurt them more than they've hurt you.

    I'm roughly 20 minutes into the movie, and thousands of uninsured Americans are dying, and insured ones as well, a small handful of stories described.

    So I think that since George Bush is pro-death penalty, and since he believes in the Bible, we can have him executed, revive him, and repeat the process over and over again. Eye for an eye. We can get really creative here.

    Why are we so hostile to religion on this forum? I'm not Catholic, but we should get Catholic nuns to publically paddle every politician responsible for this. No excuses, no propaganda, no speeches, just hardcore paddling.

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    I wouldn't mind the government not providing health care if the government didn't tax its citizens. But if a government does tax its citizens, it owes its citizens basic services to keep them alive - clean water, fire fighters, etc.

    I don't mind the libertarian argument. But the neo-conservative governing of Bush and the phony "we care about you" propaganda of Democrats is criminal. You can't gouge people with taxes, lunge them into a war for war profiting companies and Israel, and not take care of their needs.

    How did this happen?

    Fvck the news. Fvck ABC and NBC (a.k.a. General Electric). All this time watching the news and we haven't been getting the news.

    One of the best things we have going for us is the internet. At least there's a free exchange of ideas here. We desperately need alternative news media.

    By the way, I'm a Canadian, and I've watched my sister get sick, grandmother get treated, and my girlfriend's sister, and I can say from all the experiences, Canada's so medical system is top notch. I'm really proud of how they responded to many situations. I have yet to see any one of my relatives or friends say: "Damn, I wish we were in America." when it comes to health care.
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    Half Of Nation Outraged At New, Not-Yet-Released Michael Moore Film

    WASHINGTON, DC—Though the film isn't scheduled for release until June 29, a New York Times/CBS News poll found that nearly half the nation believes Michael Moore's new health care documentary Sicko is "unpatriotic," "disgusting," and "ill-informed."

    "This film is absolutely tasteless and misguided, and I can't believe theaters are even showing it," said GOP presidential candidate Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS), who, along with the rest of the nation, has not yet seen the film. "I thought the role of a documentary filmmaker was to be objective, but moviegoers are going to leave the theater thinking that there is something wrong with some part of the United States, and that is just flat-out untrue."

    The other half of the nation has praised Sicko, calling it a "real eye-opener" that would "challenge people's preconceived notions."

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    Tell the critics to take it up with the 9/11 heroes. Maybe they'd like to sue the 9/11 heroes for going to Cuba as well. There is something wrong with America if these brave people are suffering without treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald
    I wouldn't mind the government not providing health care if the government didn't tax its citizens. But if a government does tax its citizens, it owes its citizens basic services to keep them alive - clean water, fire fighters, etc.

    By the way, I'm a Canadian, and I've watched my sister get sick, grandmother get treated, and my girlfriend's sister, and I can say from all the experiences, Canada's so medical system is top notch. I'm really proud of how they responded to many situations. I have yet to see any one of my relatives or friends say: "Damn, I wish we were in America." when it comes to health care.
    Why do so many Canadians come to the United States to have surgery?

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    Why do so many Canadians come to the United States to have surgery?
    How many, with a citation if possible? I'm curious.

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    Why doesn't Jabba do us all a favor and move to France? They would probably think he is a genius too, like their beloved Jerry Lewis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odear
    Why doesn't Jabba do us all a favor and move to France? They would probably think he is a genius too, like their beloved Jerry Lewis.
    No point in ad hominem attacks. Have you even given the movie a chance first?

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    Why do so many Canadians come to the United States to have surgery?
    I can only speak from personal experience. If other Canadians are heading south of the border, I suspect they're wealthier than middle class. Everyone I know has always stayed in Canada for their medical needs. And I know many friends and family members who have had hospital experiences.

    But I may as well turn the question on you. Why are American elderly citizens coming to Canada, buying prescription drugs here, and then sneaking them illegally back across the border? And why are Americans coming to Canada for health care they can't afford in the U.S.? And why did the 9/11 rescue workers have to resort to the aid of Fidel Castro rather than the aid of the U.S. government?

    There's no denying that if you're a rich person, medical care in the U.S. is better. My cousin is a doctor in Texas. You can charge a lot for medical procedures in the U.S. But the situation doesn't look as well for the ordinary elderly person, and thousands of them are speaking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianmatthews
    Half Of Nation Outraged At New, Not-Yet-Released Michael Moore Film

    WASHINGTON, DC—Though the film isn't scheduled for release until June 29, a New York Times/CBS News poll found that nearly half the nation believes Michael Moore's new health care documentary Sicko is "unpatriotic," "disgusting," and "ill-informed."

    "This film is absolutely tasteless and misguided, and I can't believe theaters are even showing it," said GOP presidential candidate Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS), who, along with the rest of the nation, has not yet seen the film. "I thought the role of a documentary filmmaker was to be objective, but moviegoers are going to leave the theater thinking that there is something wrong with some part of the United States, and that is just flat-out untrue."

    The other half of the nation has praised Sicko, calling it a "real eye-opener" that would "challenge people's preconceived notions."
    Ian, how you been man?

    It's funny, the paragraph that talks about the criticism the film is receiving mentions that the nation hasn't yet seen the film.

    But then the last paragraph says that the other half of the nation is praising the film and calling it a real eye-opener and that it would challenge preconceived notions. Do you get where I'm going with this? How can the "other half of the nation" call it a real eye opener and talk about preconceived notions when they haven't seen it either?
    This is just one example of bias in the media. I know it occurs on all sides, but just wanted to point this out. The title of this article could have easily been "Half Of Nation Calling Not-Yet-Released Michael Moore Film A Real Eye Opener". That title would have made it on Leno.
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    Being an American, here's my opinion of American health care. The majority of the people that I know who "can't afford" health care, can't afford because of poor choices in their lives, not because of the price of health care. I wonder how many cigarette smokers out there can't afford health care? Maybe CBS should do a poll asking that question. How about single teenage moms? They've got their Ipods, their internet and their cable tv, but they have to take their babies to a free clinic to get their shots.
    Here are 2 true stories that happened to me. I was playing blackjack at a casino a couple months ago and there was an older woman playing next to me. She was talking to another woman at the table and they both started talking about their prescription drugs and how expensive they are. All the while throwing money on the table. Yep, health care is expensive.
    Here's another story that happened to me last Friday evening (the 15th of June). I'm stopped in traffic and all of a sudden get rear ended by a woman driving a van. I wasn't mad at first, because accidents happen. But here is when I got really mad. This woman was born in Oct of 1981, which makes her only 25, but.. she has 6 kids! And she's not married. Here's what really pissed me off. She didn't have insurance!! She called her mom who showed up a few minutes later. Her mom tells my wife "good luck getting anything from her, she's a single mom of 6 with hardly any income, she can hardly afford her rent, let alone car insurance". Abso ****ing lutely incredible.
    Was her problem the fact that auto insurance on a piece of crap 1995 windstar van was too expensive? Or was it really because she had a relationship with a piece of **** man (or men, who knows how many different dads there are) and had 6 kids that she couldn't afford before the age of 26?????? I'd be willing to bet that she doesn't have health care insurance on her kids either. The cost of health care is not the problem in most of the cases, the problem is poor ****ing choices. I know someone is going to tell me a story where thats not the case, I know they're out there, but I'm as sure as the day is long that the majority of the time it's our own damn fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySubSailor
    Being an American, here's my opinion of American health care. The majority of the people that I know who "can't afford" health care, can't afford because of poor choices in their lives, not because of the price of health care. I wonder how many cigarette smokers out there can't afford health care? Maybe CBS should do a poll asking that question. How about single teenage moms? They've got their Ipods, their internet and their cable tv, but they have to take their babies to a free clinic to get their shots.
    Here are 2 true stories that happened to me. I was playing blackjack at a casino a couple months ago and there was an older woman playing next to me. She was talking to another woman at the table and they both started talking about their prescription drugs and how expensive they are. All the while throwing money on the table. Yep, health care is expensive.
    Here's another story that happened to me last Friday evening (the 15th of June). I'm stopped in traffic and all of a sudden get rear ended by a woman driving a van. I wasn't mad at first, because accidents happen. But here is when I got really mad. This woman was born in Oct of 1981, which makes her only 25, but.. she has 6 kids! And she's not married. Here's what really pissed me off. She didn't have insurance!! She called her mom who showed up a few minutes later. Her mom tells my wife "good luck getting anything from her, she's a single mom of 6 with hardly any income, she can hardly afford her rent, let alone car insurance". Abso ****ing lutely incredible.
    Was her problem the fact that auto insurance on a piece of crap 1995 windstar van was too expensive? Or was it really because she had a relationship with a piece of **** man (or men, who knows how many different dads there are) and had 6 kids that she couldn't afford before the age of 26?????? I'd be willing to bet that she doesn't have health care insurance on her kids either. The cost of health care is not the problem in most of the cases, the problem is poor ****ing choices. I know someone is going to tell me a story where thats not the case, I know they're out there, but I'm as sure as the day is long that the majority of the time it's our own damn fault.
    Considering the percentage of Americans who work, do not have vices, and have car insurance but can't afford health care I would say that for a lot it's not affordable.

    I prefer preventive medicine, but if something catastrophic happens after December to myself or my daughter, we are screwed. My husbands insurance runs out, his Medicare to cover his $400 a month prescriptions won't take over that for another year and disability and what I make at my employment just covers the bills and a few extras if I budget wisely. Which I do.

    Hospitals are the first to go after you for not paying, will harrass you even if you are making regular payments and are the first to destroy your credit so you can't get a loan.

    My boss does offer insurance. The premiums high, the deductable ridiculous and the coverage is minimal. What I'm waiting on is a quote from my husbands insurance to see if I can manage to keep it another year until my kid is at least 18 and his Medicare kicks in. I'll take my chances after that as I don't use regular doctors anyway. LOL.

    Are you mad because the woman had six kids and was working to try to support them OR are you mad that you got hit by someone who doesn't have insurance? Did all you carry was liability or full coverage?

    Sh!t happens. Take what lesson you can from it and move on.

    As far as teenage moms go, a lot of what they have they probably stole or it was given to them. Everything except free and easy to get birth control. And a justice system that makes a man pay child support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySubSailor
    Being an American, here's my opinion of American health care. The majority of the people that I know who "can't afford" health care, can't afford because of poor choices in their lives, not because of the price of health care. I wonder how many cigarette smokers out there can't afford health care? Maybe CBS should do a poll asking that question. How about single teenage moms? They've got their Ipods, their internet and their cable tv, but they have to take their babies to a free clinic to get their shots.
    Here are 2 true stories that happened to me. I was playing blackjack at a casino a couple months ago and there was an older woman playing next to me. She was talking to another woman at the table and they both started talking about their prescription drugs and how expensive they are. All the while throwing money on the table. Yep, health care is expensive.
    Here's another story that happened to me last Friday evening (the 15th of June). I'm stopped in traffic and all of a sudden get rear ended by a woman driving a van. I wasn't mad at first, because accidents happen. But here is when I got really mad. This woman was born in Oct of 1981, which makes her only 25, but.. she has 6 kids! And she's not married. Here's what really pissed me off. She didn't have insurance!! She called her mom who showed up a few minutes later. Her mom tells my wife "good luck getting anything from her, she's a single mom of 6 with hardly any income, she can hardly afford her rent, let alone car insurance". Abso ****ing lutely incredible.
    Was her problem the fact that auto insurance on a piece of crap 1995 windstar van was too expensive? Or was it really because she had a relationship with a piece of **** man (or men, who knows how many different dads there are) and had 6 kids that she couldn't afford before the age of 26?????? I'd be willing to bet that she doesn't have health care insurance on her kids either. The cost of health care is not the problem in most of the cases, the problem is poor ****ing choices. I know someone is going to tell me a story where thats not the case, I know they're out there, but I'm as sure as the day is long that the majority of the time it's our own damn fault.
    For once, I'm going to admit those are some good points.

    I think, though, even if you are a complete buffoon, you should still be able to get some basic life saving treatments for free.

    For example, Michael Moore's Sicko talks about some guy who cut the tips of his fingers off, and he could only attach one for $12 000, and lost the other for $60 000. I'm not sure I'd want my country's taxes, $60 000, to be spent on the tip of one finger.

    I think that people should discuss what health care treatments should be considered a right, and what treatments are not necessary to save lives. What treatments are too costly. I think some sort of sensible standard of universal health care can be put together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USNavySubSailor
    Ian, how you been man?

    It's funny, the paragraph that talks about the criticism the film is receiving mentions that the nation hasn't yet seen the film.

    But then the last paragraph says that the other half of the nation is praising the film and calling it a real eye-opener and that it would challenge preconceived notions. Do you get where I'm going with this? How can the "other half of the nation" call it a real eye opener and talk about preconceived notions when they haven't seen it either?
    This is just one example of bias in the media. I know it occurs on all sides, but just wanted to point this out. The title of this article could have easily been "Half Of Nation Calling Not-Yet-Released Michael Moore Film A Real Eye Opener". That title would have made it on Leno.
    That headline and story are from "The Onion," a satirical online news source. Liberal bias in the media is a right wing myth.

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