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  • National Socialism

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  • Socialism

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  • Communism

    1 9.09%
  • Geniocracy

    3 27.27%
  • Neo Conservatism

    4 36.36%
  • Anarchism

    3 27.27%
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    If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    What would it be, and why...?

    Please familiarise yourself, at least briefly, with each, and choose one.

    National Socialism http://www3.stormfront.org/ns/nsprimer.html

    Socialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

    Communism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

    Neo Conservatism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_conservatism

    Geniocracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geniocracy

    Anarchism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Wouldn't Neo Conservatism be considered a political movement under the umbrella of Democracy, rather than an actual system?

    Why not include Fascism? Granted, it could be argued that the differences between Fascism and Socialism are trivial, despite their rich history of hatred towards one another, in light of the fact that in both systems the government is given almost complete control over its citizens' lives.

    Although I disagree with much of what they stand for, I'd vote Neo Conservative based solely on its containment within our current system of government (checks and balances, equal rights, etc...)

    Care to clarify?

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Quote Originally Posted by yossarian
    Wouldn't Neo Conservatism be considered a political movement under the umbrella of Democracy, rather than an actual system?
    As could some of the others.

    All semantics, in the end.

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    NeoConservatism, Geniocracy, and Anarchism all by their definitions don't sound too bad on the surface. But the problem is, they end up morphing into something else that is far worse.

    Just about any system will work if you eliminate the corruption. Unfortunately, as long as there are greedy men, there will be corruption. But of the 3, Geniocracy would appear to be the most sane as it still retains some sort of "democratic" process.

    Anarchism's getting rid of all government is rather tempting too but truth be told, NOT very practical.

    NeoConservatism might have started out a good idea but it has already morphed into what is sitting in the White House today and it's not getting any better.

    I'll vote Geniocracy. After all, if the smartest minds are what's in charge, then they should be smart enough to realize that if you oppress the people, the people will rise up and kick their asses. ;)

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    NeoConservatism, Geniocracy, and Anarchism all by their definitions don't sound too bad on the surface. But the problem is, they end up morphing into something else that is far worse.

    Just about any system will work if you eliminate the corruption. Unfortanately, as long as there are greedy men, there will be corruption. But of the 3, Geniocracy would appear to be the most sane as it still retains some sort of "democratic" process.

    Anarchism's getting rid of all government is rather tempting too but truth be told, NOT very practical.

    NeoConservatism might have started out a good idea but it has already morphed into what is sitting in the White House today and it's not getting any better.

    I'll vote Geniocracy. After all, if the smartest minds are what's in charge, then they should be smart enough to realize that if you oppress the people, the people will rise up and kick their asses. ;)

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Don't have to opt for any of them. Don't have to even think about opting for any of them. Can't imagine why anyone would.
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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Quote Originally Posted by bogie
    Don't have to opt for any of them. Don't have to even think about opting for any of them. Can't imagine why anyone would.
    It's a "what if" scenario Bogie. A conversation starter. If you don't want to join in, then don't. But spare us the ignorant comments.

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    It's a "what if" scenario Bogie. A conversation starter. If you don't want to join in, then don't. But spare us the ignorant comments.

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    I'll vote Geniocracy. After all, if the smartest minds are what's in charge, then they should be smart enough to realize that if you oppress the people, the people will rise up and kick their asses.
    Isn't discrimination based on intelligence a form a oppression in and of itself? That was actually the main reason I voted against it. It wouldn't be long before those left completely out of the political process would rise up against the government.

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Quote Originally Posted by yossarian
    Isn't discrimination based on intelligence a form a oppression in and of itself? That was actually the main reason I voted against it. It wouldn't be long before those left completely out of the political process would rise up against the government.
    Do we want the most intelligent in charge, those willing to research and compromise OR do we want those with the most money like we have now?


    There is no Utopia of government systems. But I would rather have the brightest and best making the decisions and being allowed to live in a region of my choosing (see description) rather than having the richest, most ambitious and most corrupt in charge like we have now.

    See what I mean?

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia_link
    The term geniocracy comes from the word 'Genius' and proposes a system that is designed to select for intelligence as the primary factor for governance. While having a democratic electoral apparatus, it differs from traditional liberal democracy by instead suggesting that both candidates for office and the body electorate should meet a certain minimal criterion of problem-solving or creative intelligence. The thresholds proposed by the RaŽlians are 50% above the average mean for an electoral candidate and 10% above the average mean for an elector.[1]
    The bolded part is what worries me the most. It means that over half of the country's citizens would not be allowed to vote. Unwise, in my opinion.

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    Do we want the most intelligent in charge, those willing to research and compromise OR do we want those with the most money like we have now?
    Isn't it possible that we would end up with most of the same people in the end? With the exception of a notable few (our current president possibly being the most obvious), I seriously doubt many of our representatives fall below the 75th percentile.


    Quote Originally Posted by sojustask
    There is no Utopia of government systems. But I would rather have the brightest and best making the decisions and being allowed to live in a region of my choosing (see description) rather than having the richest, most ambitious and most corrupt in charge like we have now.
    Remember, according to the definition, a geniocracy would only set a minimum standard of intelligence for anyone wanting to run for office. Once the candidates were deemed intellectually qualified, they would still have to be voted on by the electorate, which means they would still be required to campaign, which means money would still play a vital role in the election process.

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Almost every government official in america is smarter than the rest of the population already. They figured how to get their votes did they not?
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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Given the present circumstances, Geniocracy (designed to select for intelligence as the primary factor for governance) would be considered the exact opposite of Neo Conservatism, correct?
    I'm asking before I vote because I have yet to see the slightest appearance or even a minute trace of intelligent governance by the neocons.

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Quote Originally Posted by yossarian
    Isn't it possible that we would end up with most of the same people in the end? With the exception of a notable few (our current president possibly being the most obvious), I seriously doubt many of our representatives fall below the 75th percentile.
    With equal opportunity given to everyone for a good education we open up the possibilities for average citizens with marked intelligence to run for office.

    So, it's possible.

    Remember, according to the definition, a geniocracy would only set a minimum standard of intelligence for anyone wanting to run for office. Once the candidates were deemed intellectually qualified, they would still have to be voted on by the electorate, which means they would still be required to campaign, which means money would still play a vital role in the election process.

    I think perhaps we should raise the standards. Make running for office an equal race, no campaign money involved. Candidates would be nationally televised as a public service. Debate the issues, how they would work to correct them, what they see as needed for our world.

    Remember, these are supposed to be people working together to find answers for problems worldwide. Well, if the world was cooperating with each other instead of competing against each other for supremacy there wouldn't be a need to really do much by way of campaigning. It would merely be choosing those who exhibit the most creative and logical approach to the problems facing everyone.

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    Re: If you had to opt for one of these systems....

    Quote Originally Posted by UserName
    Given the present circumstances, Geniocracy (designed to select for intelligence as the primary factor for governance) would be considered the exact opposite of Neo Conservatism, correct?
    I'm asking before I vote because I have yet to see the slightest appearance or even a minute trace of intelligent governance by the neocons.
    Yes. And those who are most creative and will work together.

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