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    Why The Troop Surge Will Fail!

    WHY THE TROOP SURGE AND OUR CONTINUED OCCUPATION OF IRAQ WILL FAIL

    US presence in Iraq will encourage terrorism, continue to be a future recruiting ground for new terrorists and will unite the populace in increasing support for attacks on US troops.

    One in eight Iraqi children die before the age of five. Nearly a third of all girls and almost 20 percent of boys are not attending primary school. The protection and development of children is the very foundation for the future of Iraq.


    Queen Rania on Wednesday joined UNICEF in an international appeal for Iraqi children, urging the global community to act on their behalf and noting that those affected by violence and displacement have reached a critical point.

    Since 2003, nearly 15 per cent of Iraq’s population have fled their homes — four million people, half of them children.

    “Iraq’s drain of care-givers is creating major gaps in children’s daily lives, an issue often overlooked amid the violence,” said Roger Wright, UNICEF special representative for Iraq.

    “We need to fill these gaps to address the most debilitating effects of the insecurity. Conditions for too many Iraqi children are deteriorating,” he added.

    “Last week, children became this year’s first victims of cholera in Iraq, and we dread a major outbreak of this disease in the heat of summer,” she said. [Queen Rania]
    http://iraqsolidaritycampaign.blogsp...aqi%20children

    At present, internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Northern Iraq comprise 23 per cent of the total population. This accounts for some 805,505 individuals and 141,234 families.

    The data collected during the IDP family survey show, among other things,
     Nearly 55 per cent of IDPs are children.

    The 70 per cent enrolment rate is much lower than that for the region as a whole.
    While primary schools have been made available for a majority of the settlement
    population, secondary schools are available to less than half.
    The major problem these families face is finding employment opportunities to provide
    sufficient income for their families. Because many are from rural areas, the adults are
    less skilled in urban occupations.
    http://old.krg.org/986/unicef-children-sep-2002.pdf

    Iraq experienced the most staggering rise in under-age-5 mortality — 150 percent over 15 years. Since the war began in 2003, deteriorating health services, rising inflation and electricity shortages have worsened living conditions, the report said. In 2005, about 122,000 Iraqi children died before their fifth birthdays.
    http://www.ovcs.blogspot.com/

    Over 1 Million Iraqi Children Might Die in War - Secret UN Document

    A newly-obtained confidential UN document predicts that 30 percent of children under 5 in Iraq, or 1.26 million, "would be at risk of death from malnutrition" in the event of a war. The draft document, "Integrated Humanitarian Contingency Plan for Iraq and Neighbouring Countries", was produced by the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) on 7 January 2003. Its release comes as aid agencies and government representatives meet urgently in Geneva to discuss humanitarian operations in the event of war."
    http://www.casi.org.uk/pr/pr030217.html
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    Re: Why The Troop Surge Will Fail!

    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    WHY THE TROOP SURGE AND OUR CONTINUED OCCUPATION OF IRAQ WILL FAIL

    US presence in Iraq will encourage terrorism, continue to be a future recruiting ground for new terrorists and will unite the populace in increasing support for attacks on US troops.

    One in eight Iraqi children die before the age of five. Nearly a third of all girls and almost 20 percent of boys are not attending primary school. The protection and development of children is the very foundation for the future of Iraq.


    Queen Rania on Wednesday joined UNICEF in an international appeal for Iraqi children, urging the global community to act on their behalf and noting that those affected by violence and displacement have reached a critical point.

    Since 2003, nearly 15 per cent of Iraq’s population have fled their homes — four million people, half of them children.

    “Iraq’s drain of care-givers is creating major gaps in children’s daily lives, an issue often overlooked amid the violence,” said Roger Wright, UNICEF special representative for Iraq.

    “We need to fill these gaps to address the most debilitating effects of the insecurity. Conditions for too many Iraqi children are deteriorating,” he added.

    “Last week, children became this year’s first victims of cholera in Iraq, and we dread a major outbreak of this disease in the heat of summer,” she said. [Queen Rania]
    http://iraqsolidaritycampaign.blogsp...aqi%20children

    At present, internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Northern Iraq comprise 23 per cent of the total population. This accounts for some 805,505 individuals and 141,234 families.

    The data collected during the IDP family survey show, among other things,
     Nearly 55 per cent of IDPs are children.

    The 70 per cent enrolment rate is much lower than that for the region as a whole.
    While primary schools have been made available for a majority of the settlement
    population, secondary schools are available to less than half.
    The major problem these families face is finding employment opportunities to provide
    sufficient income for their families. Because many are from rural areas, the adults are
    less skilled in urban occupations.
    http://old.krg.org/986/unicef-children-sep-2002.pdf

    Iraq experienced the most staggering rise in under-age-5 mortality — 150 percent over 15 years. Since the war began in 2003, deteriorating health services, rising inflation and electricity shortages have worsened living conditions, the report said. In 2005, about 122,000 Iraqi children died before their fifth birthdays.
    http://www.ovcs.blogspot.com/

    Over 1 Million Iraqi Children Might Die in War - Secret UN Document

    A newly-obtained confidential UN document predicts that 30 percent of children under 5 in Iraq, or 1.26 million, "would be at risk of death from malnutrition" in the event of a war. The draft document, "Integrated Humanitarian Contingency Plan for Iraq and Neighbouring Countries", was produced by the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) on 7 January 2003. Its release comes as aid agencies and government representatives meet urgently in Geneva to discuss humanitarian operations in the event of war."
    http://www.casi.org.uk/pr/pr030217.html

    And that no-good sub-human piece of sh!t who started this fvcking horror show in Iraq-Nam will go swaggering back to his toy ranch to start planning his 300 Million Dollar Library, getting on with some serious boozing and giving more nonsensical, incoherent speeches, but, at $100 Grand a pop to throngs of other mega wealthy Repudlican elitist phonies.

    And the best thing we can hope for when it comes to that evil, leering, draft dodgin' corpulent little accomplice of his is a bad batch of lithium batteries. Hopefully, one of them will explode, where it counts.

    Frankly, I'm hoping for a nice little bout of bowel or liver cancer for him, something nice and slow which is what he, after all, so richly deserves. Sigh.... It's nice to dream. Unfortunately, he would have the benefits of anesthesia and highly advanced medical treatments...unlike his Iraqi victims. Oh well..
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    Re: Why The Troop Surge Will Fail!

    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    WHY THE TROOP SURGE AND OUR CONTINUED OCCUPATION OF IRAQ WILL FAIL

    US presence in Iraq will encourage terrorism, continue to be a future recruiting ground for new terrorists and will unite the populace in increasing support for attacks on US troops.

    One in eight Iraqi children die before the age of five. Nearly a third of all girls and almost 20 percent of boys are not attending primary school. The protection and development of children is the very foundation for the future of Iraq.


    Queen Rania on Wednesday joined UNICEF in an international appeal for Iraqi children, urging the global community to act on their behalf and noting that those affected by violence and displacement have reached a critical point.

    Since 2003, nearly 15 per cent of Iraq¡¦s population have fled their homes ¡X four million people, half of them children.

    Iraq¡s drain of care-givers is creating major gaps in childrens daily lives, an issue often overlooked amid the violence,¡¨ said Roger Wright, UNICEF special representative for Iraq.

    ¡§We need to fill these gaps to address the most debilitating effects of the insecurity. Conditions for too many Iraqi children are deteriorating, he added.

    Last week, children became this year¡s first victims of cholera in Iraq, and we dread a major outbreak of this disease in the heat of summer,¡¨ she said. [Queen Rania]
    http://iraqsolidaritycampaign.blogsp...aqi%20children

    At present, internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Northern Iraq comprise 23 per cent of the total population. This accounts for some 805,505 individuals and 141,234 families.

    The data collected during the IDP family survey show, among other things,
    ƒ{ Nearly 55 per cent of IDPs are children.

    ƒ{The 70 per cent enrolment rate is much lower than that for the region as a whole.
    ƒ{While primary schools have been made available for a majority of the settlement
    population, secondary schools are available to less than half.
    ƒ{The major problem these families face is finding employment opportunities to provide
    sufficient income for their families. Because many are from rural areas, the adults are
    less skilled in urban occupations.
    http://old.krg.org/986/unicef-children-sep-2002.pdf

    Iraq experienced the most staggering rise in under-age-5 mortality ¡X 150 percent over 15 years. Since the war began in 2003, deteriorating health services, rising inflation and electricity shortages have worsened living conditions, the report said. In 2005, about 122,000 Iraqi children died before their fifth birthdays.
    http://www.ovcs.blogspot.com/

    Over 1 Million Iraqi Children Might Die in War - Secret UN Document

    A newly-obtained confidential UN document predicts that 30 percent of children under 5 in Iraq, or 1.26 million, "would be at risk of death from malnutrition" in the event of a war. The draft document, "Integrated Humanitarian Contingency Plan for Iraq and Neighbouring Countries", was produced by the UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) on 7 January 2003. Its release comes as aid agencies and government representatives meet urgently in Geneva to discuss humanitarian operations in the event of war."
    http://www.casi.org.uk/pr/pr030217.html
    How did you come up with the title of this thread ?

    Nowhere in your article does it explain how or why the surge will fail

    Do you want it to fail ?

    I don't, especially for the sake of these children, and you are actually making a case for not withdrawing troops because right now thats the only hope they have

    from your own link:

    What children need, above all, is a resolution to this crisis. That has to be our ultimate hope.

    Faced as we are with a daily barrage of bad news, some might feel that the situation is hopeless. But stepping up support right now in Iraq and in neighbouring countries is not only possible, it is also the best way to protect Iraq¡s future its children,she stressed.
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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    Re: Why The Troop Surge Will Fail!

    Quote Originally Posted by franKg
    How did you come up with the title of this thread ?

    Nowhere in your article does it explain how or why the surge will fail

    Do you want it to fail ?

    I don't, especially for the sake of these children, and you are actually making a case for not withdrawing troops because right now thats the only hope they have

    from your own link:

    What children need, above all, is a resolution to this crisis. That has to be our ultimate hope.

    Faced as we are with a daily barrage of bad news, some might feel that the situation is hopeless. But stepping up support right now in Iraq and in neighbouring countries is not only possible, it is also the best way to protect Iraq¡s future its children,she stressed.
    Your comments here Frankie demonstrate why you are the poster child for the average brain dead neo-con dirt bag. Screw on a cowboy hat and learn to mumble more often and you are ready.

    Clue:
    Withdrawal of all American troops is the only hope for Iraqi’s. Only then can humanitarian efforts begin. Aid to Iraqi’s has been stalled for three years because the presence of our troops has made it too dangerous for any significant rebuilding effort to occur.

    “stepping up support right now in Iraq”
    This refers to moving more care givers, teachers, nurses and doctors to Iraq NOT TROOPS.

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    The moment our troops leave, Iraq becomes a huge plantation. No one will be able to speak or vote. Women will not show face or work outside home. No school for girls. Islam is not just a religion, it is also a government and an economic system. In Islam, you do not work for yourself or your family, you work for your local preacher who is presumed to know what Allah wants you to do. If you have some other idea you will be murdered, legally. Wish we could help these millions resist this oppression without any costs but Islam wants to OWN the people of Iraq and they will make our resistance as costly as they can. The left never wants to remember the killing fields of Cambodia, when the USA gave up the noble cause of protecting the innocent because college students wanted to smoke dope and not get drafted. Generations in Korea that live their entire life in slavery because it was easier for USA to just go home rather than fight evil. Light up another one - it helps you forget the millions that died and the billions that have no freedom because you will not care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles
    The moment our troops leave, Iraq becomes a huge plantation. No one will be able to speak or vote. Women will not show face or work outside home. No school for girls. Islam is not just a religion, it is also a government and an economic system. In Islam, you do not work for yourself or your family, you work for your local preacher who is presumed to know what Allah wants you to do. If you have some other idea you will be murdered, legally. Wish we could help these millions resist this oppression without any costs but Islam wants to OWN the people of Iraq and they will make our resistance as costly as they can. The left never wants to remember the killing fields of Cambodia, when the USA gave up the noble cause of protecting the innocent because college students wanted to smoke dope and not get drafted. Generations in Korea that live their entire life in slavery because it was easier for USA to just go home rather than fight evil. Light up another one - it helps you forget the millions that died and the billions that have no freedom because you will not care.
    Ohhh I get it now! Thank you so much Mr. Mumbles.
    To paraphrase……..
    The only road to peace is to bomb the living hell out of millions of defenseless civilians, women children whatever [and wherever], AND if it doesn’t actually work we can always blame pot smokin’, draft dodgin’ college kids.
    BRILLIANT!!!
    Last edited by Phinnly Slash Buster; 05-26-2007 at 11:26 PM.

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    we can also save alot of money and trouble by making slavery, robbery and rape legal. just light a doobie and turn up the music to drown out the victim's screams. Without our protection, the people are raped, robbed and enslaved. In Iraq, in Vietnam, in China, in Korea, in Cuba, in Germany, in France, in Iran. Everywhere. We cannot protect everybody but we have a moral obligation to do what we can. At least, we must do our share. There is no freedom under communism or islam. Resistance may be futile, but we won't know for sure unless we try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phinnly Slash Buster
    Your comments here Frankie demonstrate why you are the poster child for the average brain dead neo-con dirt bag. Screw on a cowboy hat and learn to mumble more often and you are ready.

    Clue:
    Withdrawal of all American troops is the only hope for Iraqi’s. Only then can humanitarian efforts begin. Aid to Iraqi’s has been stalled for three years because the presence of our troops has made it too dangerous for any significant rebuilding effort to occur.

    “stepping up support right now in Iraq”
    This refers to moving more care givers, teachers, nurses and doctors to Iraq NOT TROOPS.
    So if we withdraw our troops the Shiites and Sunni's will ,by some miracle , lay down thier arms , make nicey-nice and kick Al-queda out ?

    I would like nothiing more than for those events to take place but both you and I know that , that's not the case

    keep dreaming P-Buster
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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    Re: Why The Troop Surge Will Fail!

    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles
    The moment our troops leave, Iraq becomes a huge plantation. No one will be able to speak or vote. Women will not show face or work outside home. No school for girls. Islam is not just a religion, it is also a government and an economic system. In Islam, you do not work for yourself or your family, you work for your local preacher who is presumed to know what Allah wants you to do. If you have some other idea you will be murdered, legally. Wish we could help these millions resist this oppression without any costs but Islam wants to OWN the people of Iraq and they will make our resistance as costly as they can. The left never wants to remember the killing fields of Cambodia, when the USA gave up the noble cause of protecting the innocent because college students wanted to smoke dope and not get drafted. Generations in Korea that live their entire life in slavery because it was easier for USA to just go home rather than fight evil. Light up another one - it helps you forget the millions that died and the billions that have no freedom because you will not care.
    Wow !!

    Great post mumbles !!....you reduced P-Buster to a blithering idiot !!

    thanks, you made my day
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles
    The moment our troops leave, Iraq becomes a huge plantation. No one will be able to speak or vote. Women will not show face or work outside home. No school for girls. Islam is not just a religion, it is also a government and an economic system. In Islam, you do not work for yourself or your family, you work for your local preacher who is presumed to know what Allah wants you to do. If you have some other idea you will be murdered, legally. Wish we could help these millions resist this oppression without any costs but Islam wants to OWN the people of Iraq and they will make our resistance as costly as they can. The left never wants to remember the killing fields of Cambodia, when the USA gave up the noble cause of protecting the innocent because college students wanted to smoke dope and not get drafted. Generations in Korea that live their entire life in slavery because it was easier for USA to just go home rather than fight evil. Light up another one - it helps you forget the millions that died and the billions that have no freedom because you will not care.
    First off Mumbles: Nothing personal - but when Frankie jumps in to affirm his agreement with you, that's a wakeup call to get yourself down to the nearest psych ward and check yourself in immediately. It would probably be advisable to handcuff yourself to an immobile object - perhaps a drain pipe in the bathroom - and get on the phone to 911. Make sure to tell the dispatcher it's a dangerous psychotic episode (DPE).

    Now, in regard to your heart rending concern for Muslim women, the facts are this: Prior to the Illegal Invasion of the sovereign nation of Iraq by The Bush Crime Gang using the US military, Iraqi Women enjoyed the highest standards of living and personal freedoms in The Middle East.

    And , in fact, women in Iraq had a better quality of life and received more respect for their rights under Saddam Hussein's regime than the current system, according to a survey conducted by the Baghdad-based Woman's Freedom Organization. http://www.equalityiniraq.com/english.htm

    According to the group, women's rights were guaranteed in the constitution under Saddam, and women held important government positions.

    Now, however, security concerns have forced many women to remain at home, and the Islamic law making up the foundations of the new constitution has been applied so as to suppress women under a rigid Shiite Theocracy which subscribes to Sharia Law.

    This is all in stark contrast to Saddam’s secularist Ba'athist Regime which was oriented towards a far more westernized and modern cultural environment and encouraged women to pursue professional lives, provided for basic gender equality in the workplace and allowed women to dress according to western standards.

    When you emerge from treatment, the first thing you should do is put a block on your TV set so that it is no longer capable of receiving Fox "News" or any other programming from Rupert Murdoch. And when some deranged right-wing psychopath starts babbling to you about saving The World for "Freedom" and "Protecting" America through war crimes, mass murder, torture, and un-Constitutional domestic tyranny, just say "No".

    This is the most important step in your recovery. If you fail there, the prognosis is quite bleak.

    In a worse case scenario, you could even end up like Frankie, whereas, suicide is the only way out.

    Hang in there and good luck.
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    Re: Why The Troop Surge Will Fail!

    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles
    The moment our troops leave, Iraq becomes a huge plantation. No one will be able to speak or vote. Women will not show face or work outside home. No school for girls. Islam is not just a religion, it is also a government and an economic system. In Islam, you do not work for yourself or your family, you work for your local preacher who is presumed to know what Allah wants you to do. If you have some other idea you will be murdered, legally. Wish we could help these millions resist this oppression without any costs but Islam wants to OWN the people of Iraq and they will make our resistance as costly as they can. The left never wants to remember the killing fields of Cambodia, when the USA gave up the noble cause of protecting the innocent because college students wanted to smoke dope and not get drafted. Generations in Korea that live their entire life in slavery because it was easier for USA to just go home rather than fight evil. Light up another one - it helps you forget the millions that died and the billions that have no freedom because you will not care.
    Oh yeah, as if that's really so much worse than what's going on right now. Infact, that pretty much IS what's going on right now. And about Cambodia, you realize that it was the COMMUNIST Vietnamese that stopped Pol Pot's genocide? INFACT, it was the United States fault that the Khmer Rouge took power in the first place. Maybe if we didn't ****ing BOMB CAMBODIA in a futile attempt to stop the Vietcong the country wouldn't have been left in ruins; opening the gate for an extremist regime to rise to power.

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    U.S. Frees 41 al-Qaida Captives in Raid
    By RAVI NESSMAN, Associated Press Writer
    44 minutes ago

    BAGHDAD - U.S. forces raided an al-Qaida hide-out northeast of Baghdad on Sunday and freed 41 Iraqis imprisoned inside, including some who had been tortured and suffered broken bones, a senior U.S. military official said Sunday.

    The raid was part of a 3-month-old security crackdown that included the deployment of 3,000 more U.S. troops to Diyala, a violent province north of the capital that has seen heavy fighting in recent weeks, said Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq.

    Caldwell said Iraqis told U.S. forces about the hide-out: "The people in Diyala are speaking up against al-Qaida."

    Caldwell said the 41 freed Iraqis marked the largest number of captives ever found in a single al-Qaida prison.

    Some of the freed Iraqis had been held for as long as four months and some had injuries from torture and were being taken to medical facilities for treatment, he said.

    Also Sunday, U.S. and Iraqi troops raided Baghdad's Sadr City slum on Sunday, targeting Shiite insurgent cells there for a second day, arresting one suspect believed to be involved in smuggling Iran high-powered, armor piercing bombs from Iran that have been used against U.S. armored vehicles, the U.S. military said. The cell has also sent Iraqi militants to Iran for training, the military said.

    During another raid in Sadr City, troops shot an approaching vehicle that ignored their signals to stop, the military said. No one was injured in the shooting, but the vehicle was set ablaze, the military said.

    AP Television News footage showed several cars burned and destroyed in the street, including a van that was scorched black, had its windows knocked out and its upholstery incinerated. The footage also showed a house that appeared to have been ransacked.

    Muqtada al-Sadr, the anti-American cleric who emerged from months in hiding last week, met Sunday in Najaf with leaders of his movement to discuss Iraq's security and political situation, said Salah al-Obeidi, a senior aide to al-Sadr.
    Originally posted by Americanadian
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    We lost that one....just like Vietnam.
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    Using large font helps Frankie feel like a macho guy.

    It's the only thing he has to compensate for his "short comings".
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    Re: Why The Troop Surge Will Fail!

    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles
    The moment our troops leave, Iraq becomes a huge plantation. No one will be able to speak or vote. Women will not show face or work outside home. No school for girls. Islam is not just a religion, it is also a government and an economic system. In Islam, you do not work for yourself or your family, you work for your local preacher who is presumed to know what Allah wants you to do. .
    uh, this stuff is happening now anyways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mumbles
    we can also save alot of money and trouble by making slavery, robbery and rape legal. just light a doobie and turn up the music to drown out the victim's screams. Without our protection, the people are raped, robbed and enslaved. In Iraq, in Vietnam, in China, in Korea, in Cuba, in Germany, in France, in Iran. Everywhere. We cannot protect everybody but we have a moral obligation to do what we can. At least, we must do our share. There is no freedom under communism or islam. Resistance may be futile, but we won't know for sure unless we try.
    if you believe protecting others is our moral obligation then it is a crime against humanity that our manpower is being wasted in Iraq, a place where no good can come no matter how many troops we send there.

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