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    Socialist defeat

    Democrats here in America, TAKE NOTICE. If France rebukes Socialisim, then you know Americans will. Save our country next, DEFEAT THE DEMOCRATS...

    They are cowards, ignorant, and adolecent. And Socialism does NOT WORK!!

    So Hilary, So Usama, the "Majic Negro" Wake up. You are next to go along the wayside.

    Conservative values will always win. Why? Because it is the RIGHT way. :cool:

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...ion/index.html
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    France isn't the only European country waking up to the lies and deceit of socialism:

    Scaling back socialism

    Sweden looks to fuel growth via economic, market reforms

    By Annie Hellstrom

    Last Update: 1:25 PM ET Feb 9, 2006

    STOCKHOLM (MarketWatch) -- Niklas Zennström is one of Sweden's growing ranks of entrepreneurial exporters.

    Zennström and partner Janus Friis launched an Internet telephony company called Skype in 2003 that's already gained a global market. Yet the native Swede decided to base the company's headquarters outside his homeland to escape the burden of what is, in many ways, a socialist economy.

    "Regrdless of where people are from, we always want to employ the very best. It is always hard to get them to come and work in Sweden because of the high taxation on labor," said Zennström, whose company was bought by eBay Inc. in Sept. 2005. He also co-founded file-sharing service KaZaa.

    His lament is often heard among start-up business owners who set up shop in neighboring countries. Their move abroad has become a rallying cry for four of Sweden's more conservative political parties, who have formed a coalition that will try to unseat the Social Democrates from their close to 70-year reign.

    Rest of article on a link here:

    http://forum.belmont.edu/cornwall/archives/004543.html

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    I wish I could share your confidence that we will not be sucked down the
    drain of socialism. By the time you count all the voters on the dole, all the
    yellow dawg dems, all the young people who think they are idealists, all
    the scared old people and the women who will vote just to put a women in, Hitlary will be in!

    The key is to have a conservative candidate that is worth a d**** and
    McCain is a dud, Guliani is not a conservative, Mitt Romeny, well, he certainly
    is classy but time will tell about him. Tom Tancredo has not a snowballs chance
    in the hot spot though I love him!! He knows whats going on and is not afraid
    to tackle the problem.

    Im not seeing anyone worth a flip! And thats a bad sign.

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    Lets face it, some Americans are just stupid. And others are want Anarchy. I voted for Bush the second time he ran. And no matter how bad Bush is, he is TEN times better then any Democrat that is running now or has ran in the last 25 years.

    We cannot TRUST democrats to protect this country. We can count on demoncrats to Raise taxes, socialize everything, and run this country into the ground. I am unhappy with the republicans, but they are the lesser of two evils. ( I know, you still end up with evil)
    "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got"

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    Long time no see Ronster. How are things going?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlbenator
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronster
    Lets face it, some Americans are just stupid. And others are want Anarchy. I voted for Bush the second time he ran. And no matter how bad Bush is, he is TEN times better then any Democrat that is running now or has ran in the last 25 years.

    We cannot TRUST democrats to protect this country. We can count on demoncrats to Raise taxes, socialize everything, and run this country into the ground. I am unhappy with the republicans, but they are the lesser of two evils. ( I know, you still end up with evil)
    Well, I am so enraged at Bushs refusal to secure our borders theres not much
    he could to redeem himself with me. And, I voted for him both times as a
    life long Pub. I thought him the lesser of the evils and now I dont think there
    is anything else! I think hes lost it. I really do.

    You are right about the taxes and government monoploy of everything.
    LOL....thas good....we still wind up with evil.
    :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodwitchofthesouth
    Well, I am so enraged at Bushs refusal to secure our borders theres not much
    he could to redeem himself with me. And, I voted for him both times as a
    life long Pub. I thought him the lesser of the evils and now I dont think there
    is anything else! I think hes lost it. I really do.

    You are right about the taxes and government monoploy of everything.
    LOL....thas good....we still wind up with evil.
    :D
    Right - so vote Libertarian and let's send the Republicans and the Democrats packing. And more importantly, contribute your time and money to the party. Help us grow and we will rid America of Socialism.

    Otherwise we're looking at a Greater Depression - in which case the government will use this fear and desperation to raise taxes and increase socialism.

    As for the border - the issue isn't so much the border as it is the welfare state. If there's no welfare state for the immigrants to milk, then immigration isn't as much of a threat. THE ROOT ISSUE IS THE WELFARE STATE.

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    Re: Socialist defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronster
    Lets face it, some Americans are just stupid. And others are want Anarchy. I voted for Bush the second time he ran. And no matter how bad Bush is, he is TEN times better then any Democrat that is running now or has ran in the last 25 years.

    We cannot TRUST democrats to protect this country. We can count on demoncrats to Raise taxes, socialize everything, and run this country into the ground. I am unhappy with the republicans, but they are the lesser of two evils. ( I know, you still end up with evil)
    You know, it's pretty hard to be raising taxes and socializing everything at the same time. According to socialism, The rich and wealthy are the ones who should pay more while the middle-lower and poor classes are given a break. According to GOOD socialism, the actual overall taxes wont go up, but the rich will have to pay more while the poor pay less. If anyone has to pay more taxes, it's the rich people who can afford it. Under our current administration the poor people are given the least amount of relief yet they are the ones who cannot afford it.

    And guys, you are aware that there IS a difference between communism and socialism? For example, the USSR was initially socialist under V.I. Lenin. Under Lenin, the economy and living standards actually grew. When Stalin took power, he turned the USSR into a communist nation and the living standards dropped like a brick.

    It's like Squares and Rectangles: All communists are socialists but not all socialists are communists. at the same time, all fascists and Nazis are conservative, but not all conservatives are fascists and Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Last Man
    Right - so vote Libertarian and let's send the Republicans and the Democrats packing. And more importantly, contribute your time and money to the party. Help us grow and we will rid America of Socialism.

    Otherwise we're looking at a Greater Depression - in which case the government will use this fear and desperation to raise taxes and increase socialism.

    As for the border - the issue isn't so much the border as it is the welfare state. If there's no welfare state for the immigrants to milk, then immigration isn't as much of a threat. THE ROOT ISSUE IS THE WELFARE STATE.
    Like Phil Valentine says "demagnetize" and they will leave!

    I would like to send "them" all packing. Everyone of them.

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    Yuck, I can only assume that all you anti-socialists are living on a six-figure income. Why else are you so afraid of sharing some of the wealth to those less fortunate in our society? No, socialism isn't perfect but then corporate fascism only benefits the very wealthy. It places all the wealth and political power into the hand of a very few. It gives corporations all the rights and makes the rest of us their slaves. After all, according to your beloved Generalissimo Bush "the constitution is just a goddamn peice of paper".

    Wow, what terrific way of life. I can hardly wait. I better hurry up and grab one of those big cardboard boxes before they've all been taken. Have to stake out my place under the nearest bridge as well.

    What a bunch of selfish idiots. I'm sure God is preparing a nice warm place for all of you greedy egocentric losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EderLore
    Yuck, I can only assume that all you anti-socialists are living on a six-figure income. Why else are you so afraid of sharing some of the wealth to those less fortunate in our society? No, socialism isn't perfect but then corporate fascism only benefits the very wealthy. It places all the wealth and political power into the hand of a very few. It gives corporations all the rights and makes the rest of us their slaves. After all, according to your beloved Generalissimo Bush "the constitution is just a goddamn peice of paper".

    Wow, what terrific way of life. I can hardly wait. I better hurry up and grab one of those big cardboard boxes before they've all been taken. Have to stake out my place under the nearest bridge as well.

    What a bunch of selfish idiots. I'm sure God is preparing a nice warm place for all of you greedy egocentric losers.
    Fortunately for those of us targeted by your diatribe, there is no evidence of a god to prepare anything for us. You can only assume wrongly that all of us anti socialists living on a six figure income do not share with some of the less fortunate. Besides the taxes that I pay to support the many entitlements that go to the needy in this country, I donate a great deal of time and money coaching a group of underprivledged, at risk boys in handball. I buy their equipment, transport them to practice and junior tournaments, and have even lended a financial hand to one kid's single mom. My wife volunteers at Wardrobe for Oportunity, an organization that takes in upscale womens clothing and provides it as interview garb for women trying to get off welfare and find work.

    Then there's Bill and Milinda Gates. Not to mention Warren Buffett. Did you know Warren is so rich he actually hired Bill and Milinda's foundation to give his thirty two billion away? What do you do with your extra time and money? Are you making anywhere near the dent in poverty that some of us are trying to do? Instead of ranting against those of us who have worked hard to get where we find ourselves, why not take advantage of this capitalist, anti socialism country we live in and make your own fortune. Then you can give it all away to whomever you wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EderLore
    Yuck, I can only assume that all you anti-socialists are living on a six-figure income.
    You are wrong. I am not wealthy.

    Why else are you so afraid of sharing some of the wealth to those less fortunate in our society?
    Having money stolen from you at gun point if necessary is not "sharing" - so I wish you people would quit lying about it. I wish you people would stop stealing from other people and claiming that its a voluntary contribution.

    No, socialism isn't perfect but then corporate fascism only benefits the very wealthy.
    Here we see your second fallacy - there aren't only two choices. I don't support corporate fascism. Corporate fascism is basically what we have now. I talk to so many Democrats and Republicans who just don't get it - MEGA CORPORATIONS USE THE GOVERNMENT TO DESTROY THEIR COMPETITION - OTHERWISE THAT FREE MARKET COMPETITION WOULD KEEP PRICES LOW AND QUALITY HIGHER. THis story is the PERFECT example:

    Dairy Industry Crushed Innovator Who Bested Price-Control System

    In the summer of 2003, shoppers in Southern California began getting a break on the price of milk.

    A maverick dairyman named Hein Hettinga started bottling his own milk and selling it for as much as 20 cents a gallon less than the competition, exercising his right to work outside the rigid system that has controlled U.S. milk production for almost 70 years. Soon the effects were rippling through the state, helping to hold down retail prices at supermarkets and warehouse stores.

    That was when a coalition of giant milk companies and dairies, along with their congressional allies, decided to crush Hettinga's initiative. For three years, the milk lobby spent millions of dollars on lobbying and campaign contributions and made deals with lawmakers, including incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.).

    Last March, Congress passed a law reshaping the Western milk market and essentially ending Hettinga's experiment -- all without a single congressional hearing.

    "They wanted to make sure there would be no more Heins," said Mary Keough Ledman, a dairy economist who observed the battle.

    Rest of article at:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ail/components


    It places all the wealth and political power into the hand of a very few. It gives corporations all the rights and makes the rest of us their slaves.
    No, it doesn't. You're missing something - the reasons WHY people create corporations. People create them to avoid taxes and seek legal protection. If you repeal all taxes and abolish corporate personhood, people will have no benefit from forming corporations. Why go to the trouble of doing so when you can form a sole proprietorship and still be tax free in less than an hour?

    After all, according to your beloved Generalissimo Bush "the constitution is just a goddamn peice of paper".
    I'm a Libertarian. Bush is not my "Generalissimo" - I view him as a domestic enemy to the Constitution and I voted against him twice. He's one of the worst Presidents we've ever had, but your Master Clinton was not much better. There is very little difference between Republicans and Democrats.

    Wow, what terrific way of life. I can hardly wait. I better hurry up and grab one of those big cardboard boxes before they've all been taken. Have to stake out my place under the nearest bridge as well.
    You collectivists are always fearmongering...LOL

    What a bunch of selfish idiots.
    It is not selfish to want to prevent your property and labor from being from you by force. As Thomas Jefferson said:

    "The true foundation of republican government is the equal right of every citizen in his person and property and in their management." -- Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:36

    "Nothing is ours, which another may deprive us of." --Thomas Jefferson to Maria Cosway, 1786. ME 5:440

    During his Presidency, Jefferson repealed ALL INTERNAL TAXES, and ran the government solely from trade tariff revenue:

    "1800 - With the assistance of his Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin, newly elected Republican President Thomas Jefferson sought to reorient the fiscal policy of the United States. Jefferson’s four main goals included: (1) a reduction in government expenditures, (2) a balanced budget; (3) a decrease in the size of the national debt, and (4) alleviation of the tax burden. The latter two objectives seemed to conflict with one another; specifically, Jefferson's desire to abrogate Hamilton's funded debt plan and retire all government obligations as judiciously as possible required a steady stream of revenue.

    Nevertheless, Jefferson abolished all internal taxes, including the whiskey excise tax and the land tax. Meanwhile, the Napoleonic Wars in Europe, though a diplomatic minefield for American statesmen, proved a significant stimulus to the economy of the United States. Vigorous commerce enriched merchants while customs duties swelled the federal Treasury. By 1808 the national debt had been reduced from $80 million to $57 million, even though the Louisiana purchase had added an $11 million liability. By 1806, duties proved so lucrative that Gallatin and Jefferson fretted about what to do with the surplus above that required for debt retirement. Treasury reserves increased from $3 million to $14 million between 1801 and 1808."

    http://www.tax.org/Museum/1777-1815.htm

    "Jefferson got repealed all the direct federal taxes passed by the Federalists and boasted that ordinary Americans would never see a federal tax collector in their whole lives."

    http://www.friesian.com/presiden.htm

    "In his term, Jefferson wanted to limit the national government's power. He also wanted to cut the federal budget and lower taxes. Jefferson promised to pay off the national debt, which at that time was $83 million. He encouraged agriculture and trade. To help cut spending, he appointed Albert Gallatin as secretary of treasury. Gallatin worked in the House of Representatives and was a brilliant financer. He greatly cut military and naval spending. Gallatin also cut the staff of the executive branch. Together, he and Jefferson cut the national debt to $43 million. This allowed Jefferson to repeal exise taxes on whiskey and other products and ended all internal taxes."

    http://home.earthlink.net/~mrstephen...ng%20page.html

    "When Thomas Jefferson was elected President in 1802, direct taxes were abolished and for the next 10 years there were no internal revenue taxes other than excises."

    http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fac...xes/ustax.html

    (Note: the government's site is inaccurate on details. Jefferson was elected in 1800 and the excise taxes were repealed also.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EderLore
    I'm sure God is preparing a nice warm place for all of you greedy egocentric losers.
    LOL. So you speak for God? I don't think so. You are clearly a false prophet. Let's look at what Jesus Christ had to say about taxes:

    Jesus on Taxes: Nothing is (Rightly) Caesar's!


    The story of Jesus commanding us to give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's (Matt. 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17; Luke 20:20-26) is commonly misrepresented as His commanding us to give to Caesar the denari which he asks for (i.e., to pay taxes to government) as--it is assumed--the denari are Caesar's, being that they have Caesar's image and name on them. But Jesus never said that this was so! What Jesus did say though was an ingenious case of rhetorical misdirection to avoid being immediately arrested, which would have interfered with Old Testament prophecy of His betrayal as well as His own previous predictions of betrayal.

    When the Pharisees asked Him whether or not it is lawful to pay taxes to Caesar they did so as a ruse in the hopes of being able to either have Him arrested as a rebel by the Roman authorities or to have Him discredited in the eyes of His followers. At this time in Israel's history it was an occupied territory of the Roman Empire, and taxes--which were being used to support this occupation--were much hated by the mass of the common Jews. Thus, this question was a clever Catch-22 posed to Jesus by the Pharisees: if Jesus answered that it is not lawful then the Pharisees would have Him put away, but if He answered that it is lawful then He would appear to be supporting the subjection of the Jewish people by a foreign power. Luke 20:20 makes the Pharisees' intent in asking this question quite clear:

    So they watched Him, and sent spies who pretended to be righteous, that they might seize on His words, in order to deliver Him to the power and the authority of the governor.

    Thus, Jesus was not free to answer in just any casual manner. Of the Scripture prophecies which would have gone unfulfilled had He answered that it was fine to decline paying taxes and been arrested because of it are the betrayal by Judas (Psalm 41:9; Zech. 11:12,13), and His betrayer replaced (Psalm 109:8--see Acts 1:20); see also Acts 1:15-26 and Psalm 69:25. Here is a quote from Peter on this matter from Acts 1:16:

    "Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus."

    In Matt. 26:54,56 and Mark 14:49 Jesus testifies to this exact same thing after He was betrayed by Judas. As well, Jesus Himself twice foretold of His betrayal before He was asked the question on taxes--see Matt. 17:22; 20:18; Mark 9:31; 10:33; and Luke 9:44; 19:31. See also John 13:18-30, which testifies to the necessity of the fulfillment of Psalm 41:9, as Jesus here foretells of His betrayal by Judas.

    In addition, it appears that the only reason Jesus paid the temple tax (and by supernatural means at that) as told in Matt. 17:24-27 was so as not to stir up trouble which would have interfered with the fulfillment of Old Testament Scripture and Jesus's previous prediction of His betrayal as told in Matt. 17:22--neither of which would have been fulfilled had Jesus not paid the tax and been arrested because of it. Jesus Himself supports this view when He said of it "Nevertheless, lest we offend them . . ." (NKJV), which can also be translated "But we don't want to cause trouble" (CEV). He said this after in effect saying that those who pay customs and taxes are not free (v. 25,26)--yet one reason Jesus came was to call us to liberty (Luke 4:18; Gal. 4:7; 5:1,13,14; 1 Cor. 7:23; 2 Cor. 3:17; James 1:25; 2:12).

    It should be remembered in all of this that it was Jesus Himself who told us "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves." (Matt. 10:16). Jesus was being wise as a serpent as He never told us to pay taxes to Caesar, of which He could have done and still fulfilled Scripture and His previous predictions of betrayal. But the one thing He couldn't have told people was that it was okay not to pay taxes as He would have been arrested on the spot, and Scripture and His predictions of betrayal would have gone unfulfilled. Yet the most important thing in all this is what Jesus did not say. Jesus never said that all or any of the denari were Caesar's! Jesus simply said "Give to Caesar that which is Caesar's." But this just begs the question, What is Caesar's? Simply because the denari have Caesar's name and image on them no more make them his than one carving their name into the back of a stolen TV set makes it theirs. Yet everything Caesar has has been taken by theft and extortion, therefore nothing is rightly his.

    Tax Collectors are Sinners!


    A further demonstration that Jesus considered the institution of taxation to be unjust is given in the below story:

    Matthew 9:9-13: As Jesus passed on from there, He saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax office. And He said to him, "Follow Me." So he arose and followed Him. Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, "Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" When Jesus heard that, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice.' For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." (See also Mark 2:14-17; Luke 5:27-32.)

    It's important to point out here that Jesus actually made a stronger case against the unrighteousness of tax collectors than the Pharisees originally had in questioning Jesus's disciples about it: the Pharisees actually separated the tax collectors from the sinners when they asked "Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" Yet when Jesus heard this He answered the Pharisees by lumping the two groups together under the category of sinners--thus: "For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."

    Yet since this is the story of Matthew the tax collector being called to repentance by Jesus we will do well to ask how it was that Matthew obtained repentance. The answer: By first giving up tax collecting! And from this beginning Matthew would thus go on to become one of Jesus's twelve disciples.

    http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americanadian
    Long time no see Ronster. How are things going?

    Good man, I cant get this website at home. Sucks....
    "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronster
    Good man, I cant get this website at home. Sucks....
    You mentioned that previously. Have they ever told you why you can't access it from home?
    franKg - "Since God was ok with Moses, Joshua and David burning cities to the ground and killing all the civilians I think he would be ok with us splashing a little water on some terrorists."

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    It's not "waterboarding", it's "extraordinary baptism""

    Quote Originally Posted by carlbenator
    As discussed in a previous thread, this IRRATIONAL HATRED for the Jews and their RIGHT to SURVIVE is one of the many PROOFS of a God, AND a Devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Americanadian
    You mentioned that previously. Have they ever told you why you can't access it from home?

    No, they have no clue. It is really, REALLY wierd. :confused:
    "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got"

    National Taxes, National Borders!!

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