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    The Ancients where more advanced then us today...ACCEPT IT

    Socrates, 2400 years ago, said: "Wisdom is knowing how little we know"

    So if people, or at least one hell of a wise guy, knew this 2400 years
    ago, it would make you wonder how most people have turned into the
    warmongering religious fanatics (both in the middle east and the west).

    It is what Terence Mckenna and Michael Tsarion (and countless others probably)
    all say - humanity right now isn't at its "peak" or even approaching it! The peak
    of humanity, wisdom, knowledge, passed us by probably tens of thousands of
    years ago.

    The pyramids, all I would like to see is some company put one
    stone on top of another m'kay. For proper proof, take the heaviest stones in the Giza
    complex and try to do it with stones that size. They do not need to build a pyramid like
    the Great Pyramid that has 2.3 Million blocks of stone - enough stone to build 30 Empire
    State Buildings, or a wall around France that is 3 Metres high and 1 Metre thick (although
    that would be a great idea, sorry French, but it would!) but no one CAN even go a fraction
    of the way whoever built those things went - 0.00000004 of the way! That is all they have
    to do to convince me - put one block of stone on top of another, they can't do it today,
    5500+ years later, although some say the pyramids are far older than that, tens of
    thousands of years older.

    I think it is interesting that some of the researchers in Egypt have started to uncover huge cities of the workers they claim built the pyramids. The interesting thing is that the workers were far from peasants and slaves. They had many bakeries and food preparation areas and they are uncovering facts that totally go against the whole jew as a slave disinfo campaign.

    This is an exciting time in which we live and each day brings us closer to the Truth.



    Why the ancients where more advanced then us today.


    1 - The Empire State Building is just a shell of a building.

    2 - For the above reason, it will not still be there in 5500 years time.

    3 - You can build 30 Empire State Buildings from the amount of stone
    in the great Pyramid.

    4 - My argument isn't about todays workers working with stone, it is that
    there isn't a crane strong enough to lift stones as large as the largest
    stones in the pyramid... therefore it follows to suggest that the Egyptians,
    or should I say whoever/whatever built those pyramids, was more advanced
    than we are now, because we cannot do what they did. I have heard various
    thin excuses as to how these people built those pyramids, the most common
    one is that they built ramps and pushed the stones up the ramps, just one
    problem with this - it would take more stone to build the ramp than it would
    the pyramid and the ramp would have to be on such a shallow gradient that
    the ramp would have to be miles long. The other theory is sheer manpower,
    that millions of people lifted the stone... just one problem with this, you cannot
    physically fit enough people around the base of those stones for them to be able
    to lift them.

    5 - I can't prove this but Stephen Mehler who studies the "Khemit" (ancient Egypt)
    said the great pyramid only deviates half an inch (12.5mm) across the entirety of
    its one acre base. He reckons it is actually built on the top of a levelled off mountain
    of granite. Also, he says some stones are held together with a substance we cannot
    identify, like a cement. Not only are the pyramids impossible for us to build now in
    2007 but they were even made to be waterproof, and also have "air conditioning"
    if you want to call it that, I guess thats what it is, air conditioning.

    ... there was a guy claiming the Egyptians had
    advanced technology, gadgets and so on, then another guy saying no way, wheres
    the evidence of such technology... then the other guy said what is true, that if they
    had gadgets like that there won't be anything left of any of them now, because
    anything that is not "nailed to the floor" so to speak, gets taken by whoever is
    passing by and used to make spears, whatever. Even the metal brackets that
    hold some of those stones toether have been removed/stolen, all the interiors
    of all the known pyramids have been emptied... I have to agree with that view,
    that there wouldn't be any technology left if the Egyptians had such a thing, but
    then, its not logical to say this, its like Bush claiming Iraq has WMD's and because
    we cant find them it doesn't mean he hasn't got them, no but whilst you can't find
    these things then indeed, there is no proof of it. The guy arguing for the Egyptian
    gadgets said if you drove to Africa today and left a Land Rover there, then came
    back in just 2 weeks, there would be no Land Rover! Not because anyone drove
    it away but because they dismantled it and turned it into cooking pots, spears
    and so on. Even though theres no proof of Egyptian tech, I still can accept that this
    could have happened to the gadgets.

    If its cranes though, then I can't really see anyone being able to dismantle something
    like that without people later on at least working out it belonged to a crane, so I don't
    think they were using cranes, no.



    intrestingly the pyramid blocks are not the largest quarried stones used in a man made construction that goes to a huge stone block that makes up part of a wall in an ancient temple complex in turkey lebanon and is estimated to be at least 4 times larger than the biggest stone from the pyramids.



    Theres also one in Peru (I think) thats part of a wall...


    That biggest stone there in the middle, although you can't tell how big the stone is
    from this, I think this is the right one.

    Apparently theres also a massive rectangular stone in Giza thats far bigger than any of
    the others, this wasn't lifted onto other stones I don't think but it was certainly moved
    to where it is now. Honestly that one weighs thousands of tons.

    Some of those Inca stones in Peru though, are the weight of three jumbo jets.


    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_baalbek_2.htm
    http://www.vejprty.com/baalbek.htm


    Aha, this is more like it, with people there so you can see the size of it...



    Hadjar el Gouble (the Stone of the South) 1,170 metric tons

    Never seen this before but this is just like the one in Giza, maybe even bigger, its the same shape too.



    I read, heard, or saw, picture, or video/audio source, a theory that the Egyptians used a form or resonant energy to build he pyramids.
    this resonating/amplifying sound,didnt build pyramids, it was used to create
    energy inside the pyramid after it was built. It is that David Hatcher Childress that said, in
    ancient Africa, there was a river that was many times bigger than the nile - 100 miles wide
    and thousands of miles long. He reckons, tunnels were made from this river to the pyramids...


    well theres no reckoning really I mean the tunnels are there to this day, but they go to a dry
    river bed, that some argue isn't a river bed and that there was no ancient river, but there is
    grass growing there to this day that David Hatcher Childress said lives because there is still
    water deep deep underground.

    He said the reason these water tunnels were made was so water could run underneath the
    pyramids and it was the noise of the flowing water that resonated up into the chambers of
    the pyramid. He even said they got it wrong at one point and caused an explosion inside
    the pyramid (the ceiling is charred). Of course, it could have just been burnt with a torch
    but its really high up though... he reckons the explosion was caused by the water and the
    sound of it amplifying too much.

    I got that video/lecture on eMule, its David Hatcher Childress, the same one who found
    the Mayan ceiling... in Egypt inside a remote tomb the public are not allowed into and he
    had to do some arm twisting to even be able to go inside it. It was a great video that, in
    fact I am gonna watch it again tonight.

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    I wonder if anyone has ever considered that the Earths gravitational pull might have been
    nowhere near as much as it is today? Or that maybe in "key places" on the "grid" of
    what they call ley lines, the gravity was nowhere near as much?
    and easy to lift the blocks?

    Damn man have I stumbled on something here or what?! The poles could have shifted
    since that time, or could have had that "golden era" as they call it where building these
    collosal structures was possible.

    Maybe having gravity @ 1000 times less than it is now could kill humans, for whatever
    reason, like depleted muscles etc etc, I don't know.

    Even if the reason these stones were transportable was because of a far weaker
    gravitational pull on the Earth, it still doesn't really explain how they cut the stones
    so perfectly. Theres even things in Egypt carved out of stone so well that people
    have said you can't carve stuff out of stone THAT accurately without using
    a laser to do it!

    Stuff like this, look at how perfectly carved it is...




    Look at the carvings behind it too... they are hardly carvings, more like "cut"
    into the rock in one feld swoop (no pun intended with the owl, lol)

    But whats the deal with all these animal/human human animals huh? I think
    they were messing about with genes, splicing humans with animals etc, we get
    told these are all gods and so on but, hmmmm, were these people really as
    stupid as we are?! I think not! Saying its all "gods" is the easy way to say
    "nobody really knows why" but people have answers for everything, this is
    what annoys me... no, theres just things we CANNOT explain, ACCEPT IT.

    That video is called:

    Technology.of.the.Gods.-.The.Incredible.Sciences.of.the.Ancients.(David.Ch ildress).(2004).avi (90 mins)

    Its not on Google Video though

    If you wanna see it have a look on eMule (slow but you will get it in the end)

    or download (small file) or watch from here.

    http://www.dark-truth.org/okt21-2006-10.html


    download

    http://pdl.stream.aol.com/netscape/u...er_guts_dl.avi


    The Sphinx was said to be connected to the people from the civilization of Atlantis.
    (Atlantis is said to be an even older and more ancient civilization than Egypt, but many of its influences live on today)
    They were said to have had flying machines and advanced laser technology, using light and crystals!
    Star Wars anyone? Not that these people were where Star Wars came from.
    But, deep in the subconscious we will see that what has happend will happen again.
    The same story told an infinute number of times, just a different way of telling it because of the language
    and contemporary way of thinking! Take for instance Christ and Krishna, same story but told in a different way!

    It was said that they were punished for abusing their power, hence why the ocean swallowed them.
    This is also a modern day occurrence with Global Warming and massive storms like Katrina!

    We have advanced laser technology using crystals and flying machines. But these have been abused again!
    Made for destruction, we will only see destruction. BUT if made for life, we will see life. There is an interconnectedness
    in everything. It only takes shifting that point of view to see it.

    Take for example! You're watching a baseball game right?
    You're seat is out in center field slightly more towards right field. And you watch the pitcher throw a mean fast ball!
    You're rooting for the batter and the ump calls a strike! But from your angle it looks like he threw a ball! So you get
    upset and start calling the ump all kinds of bad names. Telling him he should get some glasses! Etc! But, if you only shifted
    your view more in the spot like the ump, your bias would be different! This is what we see happening in real world conflicts!

    I could come up with lots more examples but this one is easy enough to get! You could apply this example to anything from
    Basketball to track, imagining as you're the coach or the official, the player or the spectator! From the different positions there will always
    be a different view! So I believe its important for us not to brush off someone's point of view right away without giving it thought,
    for it could be the answer! At the same time, its important not to roll with a person's point of view immediately for someone else
    might come along with a more accurate point! It's the open mind theory. Keeping an open mind will bring you great knowledge of all views!
    Therefore you will appear less bias!

    Anyways, I'm not saying anyone is bias here, I'm just iterating my belief into how I see things in a very connected way!
    So, back to the Sphinx! A man named Edgar Casey, who was a modern century prophet (like Nostradamus) who saw things
    that others couldn't. But he only saw these things when he hypnotized himself. He basically tapped into the subconscious of the mind
    where space and time are irrelevant. Past, Present and Future are one with everything.

    So he saw things in the past, Atlantian times,
    present, with modern sickness and medicinal advices, and he predicted the wars to come, including the great transition in 2000 to 2012!
    His readings were dated back before the great depression (which he also predicted), he saw that under the right foot of the Sphinx were
    hidden all the secrets of Atlantis. That was before technology really boomed! Is there a coincidence or did we just discover their existence
    and try to dupe them off as a myth and claim that we developed their technologies?

    This is my true question for you! As our governments
    have been ruled by deception and fraud( science will only look at what ever fits in fabricated puzzle and reject other sciences that dont). Wouldn't it at all be possible for them to claim this as their own? Cause once claimed, you get royalties.(look at tesla invention where supressed also so we could not have free energy)

    thats how I see it! If it were a technology from Atlantians then it should be free for us all, for they left it to us! But along with such power
    comes great responsibility! And that is what our governments have been quite lacking in! Responsibility towards its own people and to life itself!
    It seems as though we are being ruled by those who follow the evil path of the closed fist philosophy! It's time to transform this dark presents in
    all of us into light. Only then we will truly be responsible beings of life! And transforming darkness isn't done by using darkness on darkness!
    Thats just like saying I want to make green, so I think I'll mix blue with blue!

    Anyway I'm done for now. Hope I've induced some thought, for while writing this response, I certainly induced my own!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban "The Fabulous"
    Socrates, 2400 years ago, said: "Wisdom is knowing how little we know"
    That being the case, you are surely the wisest among us. If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phlipper
    That being the case, you are surely the wisest among us. If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic!!
    and that makes YOU(by default)!?!?....how about excrutiating!?......hehe!!....just askn...

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    In your rush to canonise anything ancient you overlook so much about these cultures that dont make the picture as rosy as you portray.
    Ah yes well Why would anyone want to build a pyramid of this size today???Huh
    What are they tombs a monument to one person thinking he/she can place a claim on immortality by the size of their coffin, that's pretty bl**dy stupid.
    They started planning this "coffin" as soon as they became pharoah and it took years to complete.
    Sure there were tradesmen & workers not slaves working on the pyramids it was all about commerce, if they didnt get paid the pharoah dont get no coffin. This slavery stuff was a product of the bible.
    It is not hard to imagine how they build these pyramids actually proving it is more difficult, but you assertion they had some kind of advanced technology is even harder to prove, so you dont bother you just assert it as fact. WELL PROVE IT!

    Alanteans OH pleeze!
    There isnt as crane around to day that could lift these stone BULL****
    All this stuff has been floating round since the 80's and it has all been discredited
    If you still buy into it you are a bigger fool than I at first thought you were.

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    Our university physics department is part of a worldwide team working on developing a quantum computer. One of the processes they are working on is single ion implantation in a silicon or diamond wafer.

    What this means is they put 1 single atom into a computer chip, then they have to put another one only a few nanometers away from the first. By applying potential biases to different parts of the chip yoiu can cause the wave function of the free electrons in the two phosphorous atoms to overlap, forming a single quantum function. You can then reduce the biases and seperate them again, but they remain entangled. This process is at the heart of quantum error correction.

    You're trying to tell me the "ancients" were advanced because they stacked some rocks on top of one another?

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    it's not cool to sledge other people cause they are different.

    dont say you dont know by now what your asking for when you open one of my threads

    but you are just being a prick about it, even just plain trolling
    if you cant be courteous then please excuse yourself

    walk in to your local bar or public place and start treating people the way you treat people here.

    i think you're just being scummy guys.

    we're all nutjobs in the mind of someone else.

    frankly, i think this world would be an incredibly boring place if it weren't for all us nutjobs!

    anyway, how do you know you're not delusional yourself?

    look ive done what youve done before, and realised its a mistake
    i also talk my own brand of ****
    so i think its only fair to defend others right to do so too

    i hope you look at the broader picture
    We either are, or arent sheeple, and i think hardly anyone - noone? here is
    we have flights of fancy but its a process of intellectual evolution you have to work through
    if some people want gurus, and will follow then that is their choice
    or want to be one
    its what they want
    you have to respect and assume people are grown up enough to have some critical abilities and make up their own mind

    live and let live, horse to water, lifes too short etc...?


    justice is fair rules and anything that goes between them

    You're trying to tell me the "ancients" were advanced because they stacked some rocks on top of one another?
    They say engineers from all over the world go to these places and are amazed at how well these buildings are built.

    The funny thing is that the older the building the better made they are.

    The buildings were designed to last and stand for years

    Do you people know about Iapetus?
    http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm
    Now there's an interesting concept: Those stones weren't carried or built by humans alone, but with help of alien powers. They were only calling them 'gods' later on, because of the unknown factors, because the people back then actually experienced the 'talents' of alien forces first hand. Who would believe them? Even today. When I write this people will say that I'm a nutcase. I don't think I am. The god-like creations are warning signs, telling us of what and who were here before, created with the help of those creatures themselves. They have wings for a reason. They are being connected with 'great powers' for a reason. Because they actually HAD those powers. Because they could fly. Because they came 'from the skies'.


    download (small file) or watch this video since no one can be botherd reading and trying to understand what I am talking about.

    It will explain it better then I can.

    Watch it and see if it still sounds crazy




    http://www.dark-truth.org/okt21-2006-10.html

    download (100 megs)

    http://pdl.stream.aol.com/netscape/u...er_guts_dl.avi


    Popular Lost Cities author David Childress opens the door to the amazing world of ancient technology, from the computers of the ancient world to the "flying machines of the gods." Technology of the Gods explores the technology that was allegedly used in Atlantis and the theory that the Great Pyramid of Egypt was originally a gigantic power station. Childress also uncovers many other mysteries, including: *
    the technology of ancient flight *

    how the ancients used electricity *

    megalithic building techniques *

    the use of crystal lenses and the fire from the gods *

    ancient evidence of high-tech weapons, including atomic weapons *

    the role of modern inventors, such as Nikola Tesla, in bringing ancient technology into modern use *

    impossible artifacts, and more, much more. Childress has done it again! From beginning to end, Technology of the Gods is filled with facts, keen observations and tales that challenge modern assumptions in a humorous, intelligent and compelling way that is quintessential Childress.

    About the Author
    David Hatcher Childress is the author of 15 books, including The Lost Cities Series, The Time Travel Handbook and The Fantastic Inventions of Nikola Tesla. He has appeared in numerous documentaries about Atlantis, ancient mysteries and UFOs, including The Mysterious Origins of Man, with Charlton Heston, and The Search For Atlantis, with Richard Crenna. He also appears regularly on national and international radio programs. He lives near Chicago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban "The Fabulous"
    They say engineers from all over the world go to these places and are amazed at how well these buildings are built.

    The funny thing is that the older the building the better made they are.

    The buildings were designed to last and stand for years
    Or how's this for a theory.

    The "ancients", and by "ancients" I mean all of the ancient civilizations, not just the Egyptians. All of them built buildings of one sort or another. None of them had any idea what they were doing, they all just tried and tried until it worked.

    Out of all of these civilizations, one of them got it right, just by chance. One of them happened to design a structure that could last several thousand years.

    Thousands of years later we look back and wonder how they could have built something that would last so long, whereas in reality almost all the structures didn't survive, and only one civilization happened to get lucky.

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    Our university physics department is part of a worldwide team working on developing a quantum computer. One of the processes they are working on is single ion implantation in a silicon or diamond wafer.

    What this means is they put 1 single atom into a computer chip, then they have to put another one only a few nanometers away from the first. By applying potential biases to different parts of the chip yoiu can cause the wave function of the free electrons in the two phosphorous atoms to overlap, forming a single quantum function. You can then reduce the biases and seperate them again, but they remain entangled. This process is at the heart of quantum error correction.
    You must of just got lucky...what did you do ? throw some metel parts into a bag shake it up and bingo heart of quantum error correction

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    Somebody really needs a life.
    The terminally stupid and certifiably insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban "The Fabulous"
    You must of just got lucky...what did you do ? throw some metel parts into a bag shake it up and bingo heart of quantum error correction
    Yep, that's exactly what we did.

    And Boeing 747s get created by tornados blowing through a shed full of spare airplane parts.



    I'll tell you what. Next time you get sick, or you end up in hospital, make sure you tell the doctors you only want treatments that were around 5000 years ago. In fact, what the hell are you doing on the internet? The ancients had far more advanced means of communications, why aren't you using those?

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    [QUOTE=Fizban "The Fabulous"]it's not cool to sledge other people cause they are different.

    dont say you dont know by now what your asking for when you open one of my threads

    but you are just being a prick about it, even just plain trolling
    if you cant be courteous then please excuse yourself

    walk in to your local bar or public place and start treating people the way you treat people here.

    i think you're just being scummy guys.

    OK The next time you walk into a bar WHERE YOU DONT KNOW ANYONE start mouthing off about the Egyptians and how the were so much better at doing stuff than any one today, or any other of the BS you post here, Stargates, missing planets what ever else blah blah...

    i wonder what the reaction of the patrons will be??

    GO ON I DARE YOU

    DOUBLE DARE post the video here.

    Go on
    And watch who you call a troll...... you troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban "The Fabulous"
    it's not cool to sledge other people cause they are different.

    dont say you dont know by now what your asking for when you open one of my threads

    but you are just being a prick about it, even just plain trolling
    if you cant be courteous then please excuse yourself

    walk in to your local bar or public place and start treating people the way you treat people here.

    i think you're just being scummy guys.
    OK The next time you walk into a bar WHERE YOU DONT KNOW ANYONE start mouthing off about the BS you post here Stargates, missing planets what ever you have rambled on about, and just see what kind of reaction you get.
    GO ON I DARE YOU
    DOUBLE DARE
    POST THE VIDEO HERE GO ON.
    HMMMM I wonder will the locals hang off your every word??
    Remember NO ONE YOU KNOW
    Actually I could suggest a few places you might like to try if you are stuck for places to go, cause you obviously dont get out much.
    And I wonder about your manners from the way you behave here.
    Expecting us all to just fall over ourselves with adoration for you and your dumb posts.
    GROW UP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban "The Fabulous"
    4 - My argument isn't about todays workers working with stone, it is that
    there isn't a crane strong enough to lift stones as large as the largest
    stones in the pyramid... therefore it follows to suggest that the Egyptians,
    or should I say whoever/whatever built those pyramids, was more advanced
    than we are now, because we cannot do what they did. I have heard various
    thin excuses as to how these people built those pyramids, the most common
    one is that they built ramps and pushed the stones up the ramps, just one
    problem with this - it would take more stone to build the ramp than it would
    the pyramid and the ramp would have to be on such a shallow gradient that
    the ramp would have to be miles long. The other theory is sheer manpower,
    that millions of people lifted the stone... just one problem with this, you cannot
    physically fit enough people around the base of those stones for them to be able
    to lift them.

    Aha, this is more like it, with people there so you can see the size of it...

    Hadjar el Gouble (the Stone of the South) 1,170 metric tons
    Huh... That tiny pebble? I could lift it with this:

    http://googlesightseeing.com/2005/07...-gantry-crane/

    Oh and this one could lift three of those at the same time - Oh and this one floats too. Could the egyptians float with 3000 tonnes?

    http://digg.com/offbeat_news/PICTURE...Floating_Crane

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    Quote Originally Posted by pancho
    OK The next time you walk into a bar WHERE YOU DONT KNOW ANYONE start mouthing off about the BS you post here Stargates, missing planets what ever you have rambled on about, and just see what kind of reaction you get.
    GO ON I DARE YOU
    DOUBLE DARE
    POST THE VIDEO HERE GO ON.
    HMMMM I wonder will the locals hang off your every word??
    Remember NO ONE YOU KNOW
    Actually I could suggest a few places you might like to try if you are stuck for places to go, cause you obviously dont get out much.
    And I wonder about your manners from the way you behave here.
    Expecting us all to just fall over ourselves with adoration for you and your dumb posts.
    GROW UP

    yah!!grow up and get your ass in a bar where all intelligent life hides from reality and soaks their heads till the the lights go out!?no wonder pancho is so smart!?hehe!!....just askin....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexx
    yah!!grow up and get your ass in a bar where all intelligent life hides from reality and soaks their heads till the the lights go out!?no wonder pancho is so smart!?hehe!!....just askin....
    Fizzy brought up the bar thing, you rambling fool. Talk about soaked do you talk like this when you go out. If you ever do...Just askin??!!
    I dont remember saying the word intelligent in connection with bars, And yes such places are an escape, F**K knows we need at least one place to relax.

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